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Old 12-18-2010, 11:14 PM   #46
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I hope you are genuinely asking as I'm not going to have a back and forth with you again like on previous threads it's rude to the OP yes they are for the most part interchangeable especially on sites that advocate for the sale of designer dogs...hm who sells designer breeds mostly reputable breeders working on the creation of crossing genetics across breed lines or those who want to make a quick buck, thus there is so much misinformation, no there is no official breed or dictionary definition,well not one I'd expect you to accept here are a few links to start with I can send more, the ideal of designer breeding is to have a hybrid which is a 50/50 mix and a designer breed which (except Teddy Bears I just read about those) have a 25/75 or to get into the multi generations so the whole designer breed information is being created as of recent, the best idea to go with the responsible breeders working in this area, responsible meaning tracking genetics, crossing for the creation of a healthier "breed" whom has experience in the breeding, raising, training, showing of both the breeds they are mixing and not with the advertisements of puppy mill sellers. I'm no expert but I've been really into Schnorkies since having seen one for sale and realized someone was mixing my two favorite breeds, about 5 years ago when I started to research them. Most commonly you will find that most reputable designer dog breeders are in Canada, and that Canada started the first few registries...here's a few links to start reading-but to the point yes for the most part the names ARE interchangeable, well depending on the designer enthusiast you are talking to some take it way seriously-those who take most seriously are genuinely considered the authorities as they are taking the whole idea of breed crossing to create an improved breed which should be the motivation for any breeder-super controversial for most purebred breeders who are floored at the ideal of crossing two breeds I understand you already used designerbreed.com which is a vague description You'll mostly find the difference in name registration being used by the breeders themselves-similar to how Biewers started, before the Biewers A'la pom pon-which are actually the same dogs right-I wouldn't know anything about them, but most breeders use a name change in Schnorkie vs Snorkie instead of saying F1-F1 or F2-F2 this is an F-3 pup as most people prefer a cute name rather than a genetic definition-actually many of these designer dog breeders use the Dog DNA kits to start the registration of the genetic markers-I know you don't believe in those either though...quoting the doubts of someone who starts their statement "I don't use them know nothing really about them..." the hope is that enough people donate information (DNA ) to the registries and enough people demand the DNA tests and they are both profitable enough and used enough to prove the advancements in their ability to define certain markers found only in certain breeds and make the testing more accurate...most of the DNA companies have a notation about designer breeds and also (in fine print) list their accuracy rates done by independent laboratories.
Designer Dogs, Hybrid Dogs, Designer Dog, Hybrid DogAmerican Mixed Breed Obedience Registration — The AMBOR was established in an effort to improve opportunities for mixed-breed dogs and to acknowledge the efforts and achievements of their handlers in obedience competition.

Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America — The MBDCA is a national registry for mixed breeds.

Below are two large scale designer breeders whom have recently gotten into designer and hybrid crossing and are applying their AKC breeding methodology to the breeding of hybridsI'm not entirely sure about these registries as some of the hybrid breeders seem to think they accept too many breeds from whomever not be discriminatory enough in selectively accepting whom may register a hybrid start to a designer line-again a lot of people doing this are BYB or puppy millers not those whom feel they are at the beginning creation of a more perfected outcome by crossing breeds
www.wildwindkennel.net/puppy/breed.php?b...Schnorkie
Teapup-Small Breed Puppies (Beers)
Here's an interesting read that I think explains why the more reputable designer breeders don't like registries yet...they accept those whom are not closely watching genetics, here's an article that illustrates that-as I said the point of designer breeding is supposed to be to crop out breed defects in one of the two right-well if genetics aren't done correctly all one has done is created a mixed breed that carries on perhaps the genetic defects of two lines http://www.tualatinkc.org/pdf/Respon...%20Disease.pdf
Okay I'm sorry to the OP I don't want to hijack your thread here Debra can pm if she wants any other information I'm not going to get off topic I was merely curios about the linage of someones dog as I'm so enthused with Schnorkies...or Snorkies..or any combination of Miniature Schnauzers/Yorkies...F1...F2...F3 ) Hmmm how many names were there for Yorkshire Terriers before their officialness, was there a difference in those names because of the geographic and genetic make up of each until they were uniformed?
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I know this is an old thread, my absolutely only take on the crossbreeding as an endeavor to produce a new breed (and I do believe that there is a place in the animal breeding world for doing that) is that it is done usually by one or two breeders, strictly controlled until they produce the results they want and then from that point usually sold from that line only. I believe (possibly erroneously) that Labradoodles were bred for a specific purpose and may actually have a shot one day at being recognized once they can get a particular look standardized. That is the main problem. Standardizing the look, and why serious efforts to ''create'' a new breed is usually done by just one or two breeders working in concert, not a shotgun approach nationwide. Also, I've never heard of serious breeders using more than one name as in '''cutesy''' to distinguish dilutions of line. Even today the Savannah cats (a new breed) is sold as F1, F2, F3 etc... this avoids all confusion on the parts of breeders and buyers. No trying to figure out spelling or having to google to find out if they are interchangeable.

A side note, being in law enforcement for so many years, I can only go on what would be accepted in a court of law, and DNA kits sold online or over the counter would never cut it for animals or humans. The accuracy just would not be reliable enough to be counted on for purposes of law or in my mind for purposes of proven lineage. JMHO. I'm not a scientist but I don't believe that lie detector tests are reliable either, there is a reason they are not allowed in court, as well. So, not bashing, just stating what I believe.
Good points, unfortunately dogs are "cutesy" and even those just petting out their undesirable unbreedable results of the crosses are using methodology that has lead to the designer breed craze...I'd love to see Schnorkies evolve the way Chessies did..but that's too late now. As I said before my vet actually did my DNA breed analysis so it was done by someone more than qualified...but...the test is just not advanced enough to be relied completely beyond a doubt with...about Labradoodles:
Labradoodle History
The History Of The Labradoodle
Amazing how some things can be traced so definitely...and other well not so much.
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Hey there. I have been looking for someone who has a mix between Jack Russell/Dachshund and Yorkie. My 16 lb JR ( Domino) impregnated my 4.5 lb Morkie ( Bella) She gave birth to the two cutest lil boys DJ and Rocky. I was so afraid they were going to be weird looking lil pups. But right the opposite.
Seriously!? You allowed a 16 pound dog to impregnate a 4.5 pound dog? You are looking for triple mixed breeds that are not even in the same general breed classification, hounds mixed with terriers, bad mixes due to coat, bone, personality, and other issues...I think your own words in your comment really said enough I'll should only have quoted you to show the lunacy...next time that happens to your dog you should really take her to the vet to get an abortion-she's too small to breed anyways...and then get all your dogs fixed while you are at it. Retarded (yes I literally mean it mentally deficient as this person has shown themselves to be) people shouldn't be allowed to breed dogs...bad BYB are only one step below pup millers and general Greeders...people like this are the reason hybrids and designer dogs get the wrap they do and the unscrupulous methods associated with this type of breeding mentality. What part of responsible breeding is not understood-I really hate this-the reason so many are instantly again hybrid and designers...you find it with purebreds but not so blatantly...ugh! This is sickening and just so sad.
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Seriously!? You allowed a 16 pound dog to impregnate a 4.5 pound dog? You are looking for triple mixed breeds that are not even in the same general breed classification, hounds mixed with terriers, bad mixes due to coat, bone, personality, and other issues...I think your own words in your comment really said enough I'll should only have quoted you to show the lunacy...next time that happens to your dog you should really take her to the vet to get an abortion-she's too small to breed anyways...and then get all your dogs fixed while you are at it. .... (removed one comment) bad BYB are only one step below pup millers and general Greeders...people like this are the reason hybrids and designer dogs get the wrap they do and the unscrupulous methods associated with this type of breeding mentality. What part of responsible breeding is not understood-I really hate this-the reason so many are instantly again hybrid and designers...you find it with purebreds but not so blatantly...ugh! This is sickening and just so sad.
I agree with you concretegurl! Anyone putting a 4.5 pound dog at risk like that should be ashamed! I hope she has since spayed and neutered all of her dogs to insure something like this does not happen again! Breaks my heart that people are doing things like this. The saddest part is that she evidently has no idea how horrible her deed is sa she is bragging on her pups here.

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Hey there. I have been looking for someone who has a mix between Jack Russell/Dachshund and Yorkie. My 16 lb JR ( Domino) impregnated my 4.5 lb Morkie ( Bella) She gave birth to the two cutest lil boys DJ and Rocky. I was so afraid they were going to be weird looking lil pups. But right the opposite.
OMG. I seriously give up on people. I'd like to say more but know it will cause a suspension and I've promised to try and be a good girl, but God help me it is hard sometimes.
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jrsygal37-I know, my comment was my censored version...
FlDebra-Yes we agree on a few things actually I'd hate to even tally the books with this one though, I think anyone with half a brain would agree this woman was ugh %&*# #@!&* (refer to my above statement to jrsygal37)
She posted pics of them on her profile in an album- they were adorable, glad the dam survived...still sickening though, even the three most basic BYB and pup mill rules were not utilized here, I'd be hesitant to say it was sheer ignorance, unless retardation was genuinely a factor...
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I have a Morkie. Phoebe is 14 months. I've had her for just about a year.Her father is a pure Maltese & mother from a pure Maltese & pure yorkie mix. She is sweet- but very high strung /nervous like. She can't stay still .
After I got Phoebe I got another Morkie from a different breeder. Piper has the same type father & mother. Piper settles down & will sit still if asked to. Although she can be happy.
Phoebe looks yorkie except she is white & Piper looks Maltese- she is 10 months
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