yorkie hybrids

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I hope you are genuinely asking as I'm not going to have a back and forth with you again like on previous threads it's rude to the OP yes they are for the most part interchangeable especially on sites that advocate for the sale of designer dogs...hm who sells designer breeds mostly reputable breeders working on the creation of crossing genetics across breed lines or those who want to make a quick buck, thus there is so much misinformation, no there is no official breed or dictionary definition,well not one I'd expect you to accept here are a few links to start with I can send more, the ideal of designer breeding is to have a hybrid which is a 50/50 mix and a designer breed which (except Teddy Bears I just read about those) have a 25/75 or to get into the multi generations so the whole designer breed information is being created as of recent, the best idea to go with the responsible breeders working in this area, responsible meaning tracking genetics, crossing for the creation of a healthier "breed" whom has experience in the breeding, raising, training, showing of both the breeds they are mixing and not with the advertisements of puppy mill sellers. I'm no expert but I've been really into Schnorkies since having seen one for sale and realized someone was mixing my two favorite breeds, about 5 years ago when I started to research them. Most commonly you will find that most reputable designer dog breeders are in Canada, and that Canada started the first few registries...here's a few links to start reading-but to the point yes for the most part the names ARE interchangeable, well depending on the designer enthusiast you are talking to some take it way seriously-those who take most seriously are genuinely considered the authorities as they are taking the whole idea of breed crossing to create an improved breed which should be the motivation for any breeder-super controversial for most purebred breeders who are floored at the ideal of crossing two breeds I understand you already used designerbreed.com which is a vague description You'll mostly find the difference in name registration being used by the breeders themselves-similar to how Biewers started, before the Biewers A'la pom pon-which are actually the same dogs right-I wouldn't know anything about them, but most breeders use a name change in Schnorkie vs Snorkie instead of saying F1-F1 or F2-F2 this is an F-3 pup as most people prefer a cute name rather than a genetic definition-actually many of these designer dog breeders use the Dog DNA kits to start the registration of the genetic markers-I know you don't believe in those either though...quoting the doubts of someone who starts their statement "I don't use them know nothing really about them..." the hope is that enough people donate information (DNA ) to the registries and enough people demand the DNA tests and they are both profitable enough and used enough to prove the advancements in their ability to define certain markers found only in certain breeds and make the testing more accurate...most of the DNA companies have a notation about designer breeds and also (in fine print) list their accuracy rates done by independent laboratories.
Designer Dogs, Hybrid Dogs, Designer Dog, Hybrid DogAmerican Mixed Breed Obedience Registration — The AMBOR was established in an effort to improve opportunities for mixed-breed dogs and to acknowledge the efforts and achievements of their handlers in obedience competition.

Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America — The MBDCA is a national registry for mixed breeds.

Below are two large scale designer breeders whom have recently gotten into designer and hybrid crossing and are applying their AKC breeding methodology to the breeding of hybridsI'm not entirely sure about these registries as some of the hybrid breeders seem to think they accept too many breeds from whomever not be discriminatory enough in selectively accepting whom may register a hybrid start to a designer line-again a lot of people doing this are BYB or puppy millers not those whom feel they are at the beginning creation of a more perfected outcome by crossing breeds
www.wildwindkennel.net/puppy/breed.php?b...Schnorkie
Teapup-Small Breed Puppies (Beers)
Here's an interesting read that I think explains why the more reputable designer breeders don't like registries yet...they accept those whom are not closely watching genetics, here's an article that illustrates that-as I said the point of designer breeding is supposed to be to crop out breed defects in one of the two right-well if genetics aren't done correctly all one has done is created a mixed breed that carries on perhaps the genetic defects of two lines http://www.tualatinkc.org/pdf/Respon...%20Disease.pdf
Okay I'm sorry to the OP I don't want to hijack your thread here Debra can pm if she wants any other information I'm not going to get off topic I was merely curios about the linage of someones dog as I'm so enthused with Schnorkies...or Snorkies..or any combination of Miniature Schnauzers/Yorkies...F1...F2...F3 ) Hmmm how many names were there for Yorkshire Terriers before their officialness, was there a difference in those names because of the geographic and genetic make up of each until they were uniformed?

I have to respectfully disagree with you. People that sell mixed breed or the fancy name designer are in it for a quick buck. They go with the hot item and breed it to death and then the unwanted pups end up in shelters or rescues. There is NOTHING designer about it and I think with all the mixes in shelters / especially rural shelters being put to death because there are no room or funds for them there is NO REPUTABLE breeder that will continue contributing to producind MUTTS. I hate the word mutt but let's face it this is what they are. And, yes rescue and shelters even have the cutest of the cutest for adoption. Anyway, truly inererested in a mix, or designer or hybrid, or whatever someone wants to call them PLEASE go on Pet adoption: Want a dog or cat? Adopt a pet on Petfinder and look. Don't contribute to the hype. Elaine

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I have to respectfully disagree with you. People that sell mixed breed or the fancy name designer are in it for a quick buck. They go with the hot item and breed it to death and then the unwanted pups end up in shelters or rescues. There is NOTHING designer about it and I think with all the mixes in shelters / especially rural shelters being put to death because there are no room or funds for them there is NO REPUTABLE breeder that will continue contributing to producind MUTTS. I hate the word mutt but let's face it this is what they are. And, yes rescue and shelters even have the cutest of the cutest for adoption. Anyway, truly inererested in a mix, or designer or hybrid, or whatever someone wants to call them PLEASE go on Pet adoption: Want a dog or cat? Adopt a pet on Petfinder and look. Don't contribute to the hype. Elaine

I sent you a pm I don't want to get off topic on this thread or have a real debate here considering this thread was started by someone asking how welcome they'd be on YT with their Hybrid.... I'd hate to see someone feel unwelcome because of a debate over purposeful mixed breeding...Yorkie Hybrids or mixes have always been welcome here as far as I know, in fact the only time I've heard any negative remarks around them was in fact in conversations regarding the purposeful mixing of breeders...

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I sent you a pm I don't want to get off topic on this thread or have a real debate here considering this thread was started by someone asking how welcome they'd be on YT with their Hybrid.... I'd hate to see someone feel unwelcome because of a debate over purposeful mixed breeding...Yorkie Hybrids or mixes have always been welcome here as far as I know, in fact the only time I've heard any negative remarks around them was in fact in conversations regarding the purposeful mixing of breeders...

I too have a mix. She is 1/2 Yorkie and 1/2 Maltese. I in no way was trying to make anyone feel unwelcomed. Maybe, I misread something but it bothered me a little when it was mentioned that "who sells designer breeds mostly reputable breeders working on the creation of crossing genetics across breed lines." I realize you also went on to say that someone trying to make a quick buck also sells too, but I still have to disagree. No one reputable will cross breed knowing how many mixed puppies are in shelters. Didn't mean to upset you or anyone else. I really didn't. I just felt that that statement may lead someone on a hunt for a "Reputable" breeder of mixes and I do not believe there is any out there. Again, I really didn't mean for it to make anyone feel unwelcomed and I'm sorry if that was the way it was taken. Elaine

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I hope you are genuinely asking as I'm not going to have a back and forth with you again like on previous threads it's rude to the OP yes they are for the most part interchangeable especially on sites that advocate for the sale of designer dogs...hm who sells designer breeds mostly reputable breeders working on the creation of crossing genetics across breed lines or those who want to make a quick buck, thus there is so much misinformation, no there is no official breed or dictionary definition,well not one I'd expect you to accept here are a few links to start with I can send more, the ideal of designer breeding is to have a hybrid which is a 50/50 mix and a designer breed which (except Teddy Bears I just read about those) have a 25/75 or to get into the multi generations so the whole designer breed information is being created as of recent, the best idea to go with the responsible breeders working in this area, responsible meaning tracking genetics, crossing for the creation of a healthier "breed" whom has experience in the breeding, raising, training, showing of both the breeds they are mixing and not with the advertisements of puppy mill sellers. I'm no expert but I've been really into Schnorkies since having seen one for sale and realized someone was mixing my two favorite breeds, about 5 years ago when I started to research them. Most commonly you will find that most reputable designer dog breeders are in Canada, and that Canada started the first few registries...here's a few links to start reading-but to the point yes for the most part the names ARE interchangeable, well depending on the designer enthusiast you are talking to some take it way seriously-those who take most seriously are genuinely considered the authorities as they are taking the whole idea of breed crossing to create an improved breed which should be the motivation for any breeder-super controversial for most purebred breeders who are floored at the ideal of crossing two breeds I understand you already used designerbreed.com which is a vague description You'll mostly find the difference in name registration being used by the breeders themselves-similar to how Biewers started, before the Biewers A'la pom pon-which are actually the same dogs right-I wouldn't know anything about them, but most breeders use a name change in Schnorkie vs Snorkie instead of saying F1-F1 or F2-F2 this is an F-3 pup as most people prefer a cute name rather than a genetic definition-actually many of these designer dog breeders use the Dog DNA kits to start the registration of the genetic markers-I know you don't believe in those either though...quoting the doubts of someone who starts their statement "I don't use them know nothing really about them..." the hope is that enough people donate information (DNA ) to the registries and enough people demand the DNA tests and they are both profitable enough and used enough to prove the advancements in their ability to define certain markers found only in certain breeds and make the testing more accurate...most of the DNA companies have a notation about designer breeds and also (in fine print) list their accuracy rates done by independent laboratories.
Designer Dogs, Hybrid Dogs, Designer Dog, Hybrid DogAmerican Mixed Breed Obedience Registration — The AMBOR was established in an effort to improve opportunities for mixed-breed dogs and to acknowledge the efforts and achievements of their handlers in obedience competition.

Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America — The MBDCA is a national registry for mixed breeds.

Below are two large scale designer breeders whom have recently gotten into designer and hybrid crossing and are applying their AKC breeding methodology to the breeding of hybridsI'm not entirely sure about these registries as some of the hybrid breeders seem to think they accept too many breeds from whomever not be discriminatory enough in selectively accepting whom may register a hybrid start to a designer line-again a lot of people doing this are BYB or puppy millers not those whom feel they are at the beginning creation of a more perfected outcome by crossing breeds
www.wildwindkennel.net/puppy/breed.php?b...Schnorkie
Teapup-Small Breed Puppies (Beers)
Here's an interesting read that I think explains why the more reputable designer breeders don't like registries yet...they accept those whom are not closely watching genetics, here's an article that illustrates that-as I said the point of designer breeding is supposed to be to crop out breed defects in one of the two right-well if genetics aren't done correctly all one has done is created a mixed breed that carries on perhaps the genetic defects of two lines http://www.tualatinkc.org/pdf/Respon...%20Disease.pdf
Okay I'm sorry to the OP I don't want to hijack your thread here Debra can pm if she wants any other information I'm not going to get off topic I was merely curios about the linage of someones dog as I'm so enthused with Schnorkies...or Snorkies..or any combination of Miniature Schnauzers/Yorkies...F1...F2...F3 ) Hmmm how many names were there for Yorkshire Terriers before their officialness, was there a difference in those names because of the geographic and genetic make up of each until they were uniformed?

I did ask for a reference that proved your correction that the terms snorkie and schnorkie were different. I would not have asked, except you corrected another for using the wrong term, when everything I found says they are interchangeable. Your reply seems to agree with me. Your references did NOT address the question at all. I don't even understand why you put them in as NONE mentioned the idea of a 25/75 and 50/50 mix having different terms assigned. ?????? Are you trying to dazzle me?

I think I will repeat part of my pm to you here on the forum so as to reiterate this is nothing personal about you or your dogs -- we just have a HUGE difference in basic tenets when it comes to dog breeding. Since I do not believe in mixing breeds intentionally and I believe part's were originally mixed yorkie and other breeds and there are many breeders currently slipping in a maltese for example to create "partis" I think we are bound to butt heads occasionally. I do respect your intelligence (as I said in the PM) and your genuine desire for canine health and safety. We can still find common ground, just not on the subjects of mixed breeds and partis. I did not realize at first where our friction was coming from -- then I saw a post where you identified your dogs and realized you had probaly taken personal offense at my stand on these two issues. These are opinions MANY years in the making and have nothing to do with your particular dogs.

I hope you take the offer of trying to respect each other while still maintaining our own opinions in these areas in the spirit it was offered. I would like to keep communication open and am always open to reading actual scientific proof. As I told you before it is difficult to prove a negative, but someone CLAIMING to mix breeds for some betterment should be able to provide the science they are using, some breeding plans, some allele diagrams showing what sort of genetic markers they are following, something concrete instead of a vague middle school reference to dominant/recessive traits. I think you are still in the information-gathering stage, and if you run across that sort of proof from a breeder that is mixing breeds, I would love to read it! But I think what you are going to find for the most part is a bunch of people capitalizing on the "hybrid" craze who throw around a couple of genetic terms as an excuse and not as any real science. They are out to make money and some think it makes them look more altruistic to claim it is being done in the name of some genetic improvement. Really???? I think you are smarter than that. If just one had some real scientific postulates they were basing their "experiments" on, I might buy they were sincere. But everyone I have questioned hd no idea of even basic genetic principles.

I do try to provide references for my opinions. For example -- I gave a vet and a molecular biologist/genetic professor's opinion on the worthlessness of those "breed identification" kits. If they are better as you say -- providing actual believable references is the way to go about actually convincing anyone. I still believe anyone using them for more than entertainment is wasting their money. We just do not have valid commercially-available DNA breed identification kits at this time. Hopefully, some day in the future -- but we still don't even understand the whole human genome project -- I think the canine breeds will be awhile.

This is ontopic as the subject is yorkie hybrids. And of course anyone with a mixed breed yorkie is welcome here. We have members that don't have a yorkie at all. I am not for a lot of breeding practices but I would never hold it against a dog! I love them all, full, partial, floppy eared and not, big, small, .......pssssttt I even have a Jack Russell that is not even part yorkie except in her own mind!

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I did ask for a reference that proved your correction that the terms snorkie and schnorkie were different. I would not have asked, except you corrected another for using the wrong term, when everything I found says they are interchangeable. Your reply seems to agree with me. Your references did NOT address the question at all. I don't even understand why you put them in as NONE mentioned the idea of a 25/75 and 50/50 mix having different terms assigned. ?????? Are you trying to dazzle me?

I think I will repeat part of my pm to you here on the forum so as to reiterate this is nothing personal about you or your dogs -- we just have a HUGE difference in basic tenets when it comes to dog breeding. Since I do not believe in mixing breeds intentionally and I believe part's were originally mixed yorkie and other breeds and there are many breeders currently slipping in a maltese for example to create "partis" I think we are bound to butt heads occasionally. I do respect your intelligence (as I said in the PM) and your genuine desire for canine health and safety. We can still find common ground, just not on the subjects of mixed breeds and partis. I did not realize at first where our friction was coming from -- then I saw a post where you identified your dogs and realized you had probaly taken personal offense at my stand on these two issues. These are opinions MANY years in the making and have nothing to do with your particular dogs.

I hope you take the offer of trying to respect each other while still maintaining our own opinions in these areas in the spirit it was offered. I would like to keep communication open and am always open to reading actual scientific proof. As I told you before it is difficult to prove a negative, but someone CLAIMING to mix breeds for some betterment should be able to provide the science they are using, some breeding plans, some allele diagrams showing what sort of genetic markers they are following, something concrete instead of a vague middle school reference to dominant/recessive traits. I think you are still in the information-gathering stage, and if you run across that sort of proof from a breeder that is mixing breeds, I would love to read it! But I think what you are going to find for the most part is a bunch of people capitalizing on the "hybrid" craze who throw around a couple of genetic terms as an excuse and not as any real science. They are out to make money and some think it makes them look more altruistic to claim it is being done in the name of some genetic improvement. Really???? I think you are smarter than that. If just one had some real scientific postulates they were basing their "experiments" on, I might buy they were sincere. But everyone I have questioned hd no idea of even basic genetic principles.

I do try to provide references for my opinions. For example -- I gave a vet and a molecular biologist/genetic professor's opinion on the worthlessness of those "breed identification" kits. If they are better as you say -- providing actual believable references is the way to go about actually convincing anyone. I still believe anyone using them for more than entertainment is wasting their money. We just do not have valid commercially-available DNA breed identification kits at this time. Hopefully, some day in the future -- but we still don't even understand the whole human genome project -- I think the canine breeds will be awhile.

This is ontopic as the subject is yorkie hybrids. And of course anyone with a mixed breed yorkie is welcome here. We have members that don't have a yorkie at all. I am not for a lot of breeding practices but I would never hold it against a dog! I love them all, full, partial, floppy eared and not, big, small, .......pssssttt I even have a Jack Russell that is not even part yorkie except in her own mind!

Very Nice Post.

[BellaBrooklyn]

Hey there. I have been looking for someone who has a mix between Jack Russell/Dachshund and Yorkie. My 16 lb JR ( Domino) impregnated my 4.5 lb Morkie ( Bella) She gave birth to the two cutest lil boys DJ and Rocky. I was so afraid they were going to be weird looking lil pups. But right the opposite.

[concretegurl]

Debra I pm-ed you..glad we agree on most and can reasonably discuss the rest or the details, but I can't help but poke this with a stick-the vet reference started something like this him saying he knew nothing about these tests but felt this about them...c'mon I've seen you post way better contradictory information! Here I'll help look at the stats of the DNA companies themselves they openly admit to the lack of accuracy hence my Scoobers got back a 1% unverifiable on his-he's a 50/50 mix how can 1% be unknown, but it's fun and can be somewhat accurate-it needs a lot more research and development in the area of dog DNA breed identification. Any who again I pm-ed you and I don't want to hijack a thread feel free to start one on this topic again and I think that the OP probably understands that she is more than welcome here with her hybrid but that the posts here got off topic and well there is a bit of a big debate about hybrids-for good cause out for thousands of hybrid breeders you will find about 5 that are responsible thus I posted the only two I know of whom breeder per AKC standards and also are involved in the responsible hybrid creations-they utilized OFA certification on their breeding dogs, and are very familiar with the proper ways to rear pups plus anyone can go and visit their facilities-of course getting one at a shelter is the most preferable-you can get a purebred there too. (Yes Debra I pulled that number out my bottom before you want a reference for i-the out of thousands you will find 5 but I think we can both agree that's a pretty good darn hypothesis!) Again sorry OP for hijacking your post and I'd still like to know about the make up and see pics of your dog!

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Debra I pm-ed you..glad we agree on most and can reasonably discuss the rest or the details, but I can't help but poke this with a stick-the vet reference started something like this him saying he knew nothing about these tests but felt this about them...c'mon I've seen you post way better contradictory information! ...

You are taking one sentence out of context and not quoting accurately at all as well as making it look like something it is not. He said he has no experience with the tests he most certainly DID NOT say he knew nothing about them. I quoted that whole section so you would see what the expert was talking about. Not fair to now pull one sentece out and make it look like because he does not use the test he would not understand the science behind it!

These are the two references I used: What's your mutt? Accuracy questioned in DNA dog tests - theoaklandpress.com This one starts by telling about a vet who was also a past president of the MI Veterinary Association, who had his dogs tested with the 3 main kits available to the public. One dog had 10 dog breeds identified between the 3 tests and only one breed was repeated on any test!!! It also quotes John Fyfe, an associate professor of microbiology and molecular genetics at Michigan State University, who, "offered his insight on the tests to Steep in an e-mail. Fyfe maps dog and cat DNA for disease causing mutations.

“I’ve heard of these breed ID tests but had no experience with them myself,” Fyfe wrote. “My take on it is that they have no basis and are basically a scam because the DNA determinants of most phenotypic traits are as yet unknown.”

Phenotypic traits are observable properties of any living organism.

“I believe that most veterinarians are likely to be as accurate as these tests, just using the phenotypic cues we can observe in the exam room,” Fyfe added.

You can see this man has the credentials to be a creditable source. It is his JOB to identify dog and cat DNA for disease causing mutations. He is saying the science behind the test is not accurate enough to give dependable results any more than a doctor observing physical cues in the exam room would be. He does not have to USE the test to know the science behind it. He basically says he wouldn't use it because the DNA determinants of most of the phenotypic traits are not even identified yet.

That is like saying a poison control doctor has no validity and cannot know of the dangers and physical interactions associated with the poisons because he has not tried the poisons themselves. The guy is an expert and he says they are invalid and goes on to say why.

and this one: DNA Testing Your Dog where the author gives examples of bizarre results that do not correlate with the dog tested. He ends it up by saying "Kind of expensive entertainment. "

I honestly TRIED to find even one source that was not connected with the sales of these kits that had a positive comment about their accurancy -- I could not find it. If you have one, post it. Instead of trying to disect my reference into something it is not, find one place not making $$$$ on the kits that says they are worth a hill of beans.

I too hope we can stay amiable but we need to stay honest first. Not right to try to artifically invalidate a source by taking a sentence out of context and saying something far from what was actually quoted. Never did this expert in the field intimate that he knew nothing about the test. On the contrary he tells what they use and why it is inaccurate to do so.

[concretegurl]

Once again I suggested someone try a Dog DNA test told them they are not 100% but they are fun and you freak out and post all about the contrary...going on posting a couple times a warning about them...one would have been enough...here's that one sentence I referred to
[QUOTE=FlDebra;3358398]
“I’ve heard of these breed ID testsbut had no experience with them myself,” Fyfe wrote. “My take on it is that they have no basis and are basically a scam because the DNA determinants of most phenotypic traits are as yet unknown.”
John Fyfe

Department: MMG, SCS
E-mail: fyfe@cvm.msu.edu


Associate Professor
BS Oregon State University 1981
DVM Washington-Oregon-Idaho Regional Program 1984
PhD University of Pennsylvania 1994
Clinical Interests: Inherited Disease
Research Interest: Comparative Medical Genetics
*He holds an administrative position and is noted for allowing others to do the research and discipline of such themselves his field consists of genetic mutations and not of actually gene therapy or genotype(ing)-or commonly known as DNA marker identification he has no experience in the field of quantitative genotyping.

Genetics research at MSU offers insight and hope | MSU Research
1. Genotype & Phenotype
phenotype is the constellation of observable traits; genotype is the genetic endowment of the individual
2. "The Canine Heritage Breed Test is one of the most innovative products I have seen in years. I am a huge proponent of adoption, so my four legged family comes from shelters and breed rescue groups. Finding out what breeds are in my dog's genetic makeup has not only satisfied my curiosity, but given me invaluable health and behavioral information."
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3. MMI Genomics DNA Laboratory
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4.Dog DNA Test Review - New DNA Testing For Mixed Breed Dogs
5. you can call the company yourself and ask about their accuracy rate I believe it is 70%ish with hybrids and goes down from there based on the number of breeds...MMI Genomics
Toll-Free Line (800) DNA-DOGG
6 Although YES dog DNA tests have A LONG way to go still to be considered absolute or accurate to the point they are admissible in court-I believe some states do take a 70% accuracy rate but I'm too busy with finals to look it up right now (ironically for my law classes), but the point is it's a fun thing to do and please a DNA lineage test for about $100 bucks-what do you expect? It's not quite a scam or a pseudoscience it's just not a perfected science hense the companies advertise for the breeds they can identify and I only know the reliability of the company my vet reccomended...did you know court admissable paternity and maternity test average at 97% for at home tests and 99.9% for lab tests, when only 10 years ago they too were an average of about 78% accurate...I'll be pleased to see what dog DNA breed analysis can do in another 10 years, and I'm glad I paid for the service and have spent money that will go toward further research, ye that and I've a cute little breed analysis certificate with my Scoobers' pic hanging on my wall... Let me know what they say when you call FIDebra...I'm goign to call them on Monday and double check I'd hope we'd get the same answer otherwise ye I'll start questioning my certificate Although Scoobers passed the phenotype traits analysis and was deemed a Schnorkie (Snorkie/ miniature schnauzer/yorkie mix F1 hybrid)

[FlDebra]

[quote=concretegurl;3358296]Debra I pm-ed you..glad we agree on most and can reasonably discuss the rest or the details, but I can't help but poke this with a stick-the vet reference started something like this him saying he knew nothing about these tests but felt this about them...

and your next post:

Once again I suggested someone try a Dog DNA test told them they are not 100% but they are fun and you freak out and post all about the contrary...going on posting a couple times a warning about them...one would have been enough...here's that one sentence I referred to

Originally Posted by FlDebra

“I’ve heard of these breed ID testsbut had no experience with them myself,” Fyfe wrote. “My take on it is that they have no basis and are basically a scam because the DNA determinants of most phenotypic traits are as yet unknown.”
John Fyfe

Really? I am freaking out and mentioning something more than once? You even said you were "poking at stick" for goodness sake! I answered your post. I won't address anything further in this last one though as I am sure you would think me "freaking out again." Have a nice day. Oh, still waiting for that one positive reference though.....

Sign me cool as a cucumber and very un-freaked out,

[Breezeaway]

Wow, all this and just from the OP wanting to share her new Morkie.
I just want to welcome all you that posted you have mixes, You are welcome to share all about your babies here. Don't let a few posts keep you from sharing the little loves in your life.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Wow, all this and just from the OP wanting to share her new Morkie.
I just want to welcome all you that posted you have mixes, You are welcome to share all about your babies here. Don't let a few posts keep you from sharing the little loves in your life.

The OP originally posted this thread in 2009.

[Breezeaway]

Ahhh thank you Ringo, I should have looked at the date concerning the OP.

[nana911]

I know this is an old thread, my absolutely only take on the crossbreeding as an endeavor to produce a new breed (and I do believe that there is a place in the animal breeding world for doing that) is that it is done usually by one or two breeders, strictly controlled until they produce the results they want and then from that point usually sold from that line only. I believe (possibly erroneously) that Labradoodles were bred for a specific purpose and may actually have a shot one day at being recognized once they can get a particular look standardized. That is the main problem. Standardizing the look, and why serious efforts to ''create'' a new breed is usually done by just one or two breeders working in concert, not a shotgun approach nationwide. Also, I've never heard of serious breeders using more than one name as in '''cutesy''' to distinguish dilutions of line. Even today the Savannah cats (a new breed) is sold as F1, F2, F3 etc... this avoids all confusion on the parts of breeders and buyers. No trying to figure out spelling or having to google to find out if they are interchangeable.

A side note, being in law enforcement for so many years, I can only go on what would be accepted in a court of law, and DNA kits sold online or over the counter would never cut it for animals or humans. The accuracy just would not be reliable enough to be counted on for purposes of law or in my mind for purposes of proven lineage. JMHO. I'm not a scientist but I don't believe that lie detector tests are reliable either, there is a reason they are not allowed in court, as well. So, not bashing, just stating what I believe.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Ahhh thank you Ringo, I should have looked at the date concerning the OP.

Well, if it's any consolation, I got sucked in myself! I kind of glazed over the whole DNA part (sorry, not my thing) and happened to look at the first page.