?opinions On Mandatory Spaying/neutering

[StewiesMom]

I think it's a good law. I wish our city would implement it. It would stop people from irresponsibly breeding - that's for sure!

[doggrooming]

I was a kennel supervisor for a humane society for more than three years. I was in charge of euthanizia. The cost to tax payers is nothing at humane societies because they are a non profit organizations and states and cites do not contribute any money to keep the shelter running. I worked close with the city animal shelter and the cost of feeding and housing was not much because the animals only stayed there for 3 days before being euthinized. I wish that this was a perfect world be it is not. The reality of this law is that the state/city will be making money. I bet they don't give anymore to the shelters. Euthinzia will still happen.

[kitty]

Originally Posted by doggrooming

I was a kennel supervisor for a humane society for more than three years. I was in charge of euthanizia. The cost to tax payers is nothing at humane societies because they are a non profit organizations and states and cites do not contribute any money to keep the shelter running. I worked close with the city animal shelter and the cost of feeding and housing was not much because the animals only stayed there for 3 days before being euthinized. I wish that this was a perfect world be it is not. The reality of this law is that the state/city will be making money. I bet they don't give anymore to the shelters. Euthinzia will still happen.

Well said. I totally agree with you. I also know you are coming from first hand expereince.

I would not want someone to tell me I had to spay any one of my dogs. That is my decision not the city or states.

[Baby Blessing]

Originally Posted by kitty

Well said. I totally agree with you. I also know you are coming from first hand expereince.

I would not want someone to tell me I had to spay any one of my dogs. That is my decision not the city or states.

Thanks Doggrooming for your post, and your experience you have shared. I agree this isn't going to stop the irresponsable people, the fee use to be $25.00 for unspayed, now $60.00. Kitty I hope you don't ever have to deal with this where you live, thanks for your post too. I know one thing, the ones elected now in office that voted this in will definately not get my vote next time.
Doggrooming, I asked yesterday when I was at the animal shelter getting Baby Blessings license what if a friend or relative came to visit us and had a dog, their reply was, "anyone in your household with a dog visiting after 15 days must get a California dog license."
also if you move from another state to here and you don't have a current license you would be penalized here Oh, and I want to add one more thing, the mandatory law is they must be micro chipped to get the license and he didn't even ask for the number or get it either now to me if they are really serious about getting the irresponsable people to comply then this would definately have been a priority, their is no documentation of her micro in their system I am very much in favor of the micro chipping and to me that is the source to track down the owners of irresponsable dog owners as well as finding the owner if a dog is lost. law here to me.

[doggrooming]

Originally Posted by Baby Blessing

Thanks Doggrooming for your post, and your experience you have shared. I agree this isn't going to stop the irresponsable people, the fee use to be $25.00 for unspayed, now $60.00. Kitty I hope you don't ever have to deal with this where you live, thanks for your post too. I know one thing, the ones elected now in office that voted this in will definately not get my vote next time.
Doggrooming, I asked yesterday when I was at the animal shelter getting Baby Blessings license what if a friend or relative came to visit us and had a dog, their reply was, "anyone in your household with a dog visiting after 15 days must get a California dog license."
also if you move from another state to here and you don't have a current license you would be penalized here Oh, and I want to add one more thing, the mandatory law is they must be micro chipped to get the license and he didn't even ask for the number or get it either now to me if they are really serious about getting the irresponsable people to comply then this would definately have been a priority, their is no documentation of her micro in their system I am very much in favor of the micro chipping and to me that is the source to track down the owners of irresponsable dog owners as well as finding the owner if a dog is lost. law here to me.

We had many dogs come in chipped and it did no good in finding the owners. The reason being we had one scanner and there are so many different kinds. I am for tatooing. Just because your dog is chipped dosn't mean it will be returned to you. I am unsure of this law that you have to deal with. Thank GOD that it isn't were I am. If they are serious about it then they would ask more questions and be more concerend about recording the information. IMO this is just a way for them to make more money.

[doggrooming]

IMO California has some really dumb laws. Did you know that you can not own a ferret in California. They consider them wild animals. As a ferret owner for many years I did research on them. The only wild ferret left in North America is the black footed ferret. The rest have all been domesticated and could not survive in the wild.

[artierae]

I am NEVER an advocate of Big Government. I wish it didn't come down to government getting into our affairs to try and make people do what they should do in the first place. I have a friend who says there should only be one law....."Don't be stupid" That would take care of everything. Anyone who does something stupid would be fined. But of course, that is too much simplification. But I don't think the government should be regulating us on what we can do and how we raise our dogs. Next they will be passing laws that we have to microship our children, and then, in the future they will pass laws to sterilize children with disabilities, euthanize older people etc, etc. Where will it end?

[I love Lucy]

Originally Posted by doggrooming

We had many dogs come in chipped and it did no good in finding the owners. The reason being we had one scanner and there are so many different kinds. I am for tatooing. Just because your dog is chipped dosn't mean it will be returned to you. I am unsure of this law that you have to deal with. Thank GOD that it isn't were I am. If they are serious about it then they would ask more questions and be more concerend about recording the information. IMO this is just a way for them to make more money.

I too have wondered about these microchips aswell because I have heard this same thing. Now they are doing tatooing also..
Anyway I see why gov would want this spay nueter law but it doesn't seem to be well thought out at all. If they want a law for this they should also make this a free service or a very minimal charge...so every one would do it,also I am not trying to play favorites but it seems to me that most of the dogs in the shelter are not small lap dogs..although there are more and more lately. Maybe they should have charged a fee for a waiver- not per yr like BabyBlessing said of $250!!! That is outrages! $250 per yr for 12-15yrs!!( life span of our dogs). Plus I find it somewhat ironic because the gov can implement these laws for animals but yet not for the countless homeless,unwanted or drug addicted babies born to welfare, crack addicted parents and many more ( this is another topic)?? I agree there needs to be some kind of law but they need to be way more specific and maybe allow 1 litter ( if you want to keep it for yourself? and pay a fee for this privelege or... or if you do have a litter all the pups could somehow be tracked to the original breeder and they would be ultimately responsible for the dog in any way shape or form if it were ever to be in a shelter? WHo knows these are all just thoughts and I am not sure what the answer would be on this but I know the law would need to be way more specific..and better thought out. Also I feel for you Babyblessing because if you have a tiny dog they often can die from this procedure....I have a friend who has 2 tiny little Yorkies one at 1.8 lbs and the other is like less than 3lbs...? I don't know what would be the best solution but this is going to be a hot topic for many many people. I assume many won't want to touch this thread because there are soo many things to consider. I totally am an animal lover and have believed in having and rescuing animals only from the shelter because there are so many unwanted great pets out there. My only fault is that I fell in love with the Yorkshire terrier.

[Baby Blessing]

Originally Posted by I love Lucy

I too have wondered about these microchips aswell because I have heard this same thing. Now they are doing tatooing also..
Anyway I see why gov would want this spay nueter law but it doesn't seem to be well thought out at all. If they want a law for this they should also make this a free service or a very minimal charge...so every one would do it,also I am not trying to play favorites but it seems to me that most of the dogs in the shelter are not small lap dogs..although there are more and more lately. Maybe they should have charged a fee for a waiver- not per yr like BabyBlessing said of $250!!! That is outrages! $250 per yr for 12-15yrs!!( life span of our dogs). Plus I find it somewhat ironic because the gov can implement these laws for animals but yet not for the countless homeless,unwanted or drug addicted babies born to welfare, crack addicted parents and many more ( this is another topic)?? I agree there needs to be some kind of law but they need to be way more specific and maybe allow 1 litter ( if you want to keep it for yourself? and pay a fee for this privelege or... or if you do have a litter all the pups could somehow be tracked to the original breeder and they would be ultimately responsible for the dog in any way shape or form if it were ever to be in a shelter? WHo knows these are all just thoughts and I am not sure what the answer would be on this but I know the law would need to be way more specific..and better thought out. Also I feel for you Babyblessing because if you have a tiny dog they often can die from this procedure....I have a friend who has 2 tiny little Yorkies one at 1.8 lbs and the other is like less than 3lbs...? I don't know what would be the best solution but this is going to be a hot topic for many many people. I assume many won't want to touch this thread because there are soo many things to consider. I totally am an animal lover and have believed in having and rescuing animals only from the shelter because there are so many unwanted great pets out there. My only fault is that I fell in love with the Yorkshire terrier.

I notice you are in California, do they have this law where you are?
The $250.00 would be to obtain a breeders license. That might be the only way we would LEGALLY be able to spare her from being spayed. It was my understanding this law came about due to incidents of people being attacked by stray dogs, and a lot of these came from animal shelters. Do they inquire when they place a dog from their shelter if the person lives in a house, apartment, do they have a yard for the (especially large dog)dog. From our understanding here this is not done. The animal control isn't inquiring on these things to insure hopefully the dogs are placed with responsable people ,so we feel they share the blame, let's see them be more responsable in placing dogs and cats, instead of saying, pay and there you go in Calif. that seems to be the motto "there you go" those words seemed to have replaced "thank you" out here
Yes, the vet told me last week the risks of spay and no way can we put Baby Blessing through that, we lost our Cassie last November being Blessed with her for ten and half years, we never had her spayed and she was always so healthy, then the Canine Virus came along. The risk of Baby Blessing getting that are something else is just as great as the risks of any health issue that could come up from her not being spayed, the Vet had to agree with me on that.
Thank you I love lucy for your post.

[I love Lucy]

We live on the Central Coast 45 mins south of Santa Cruz and 2 hrs south of San Fran. I haven't heard of this law reaching this area yet but I know this would be a hot topic. I would consider this area to be pretty green and so there are alot of adoptions thru AFRP and SPCA etc and thru them they always interview,ask where you live and to get permission from land lords if you are renting to adopt an animal. I haven't had experience with animal control so I don't know.. SInce I live on the outskirts of this area many people have alot acreage with land enough for horses and many dogs. Maybe this area does not have as many strays and that is why we don't have the law yet??? GOsh I hope this doesn't come into our area though although I might consider Lucy getting spayed. ( she is not soo small) So with this breeders license, would you have to pay every yr and will they do an inspection as if you were a kennel?
Good luck with this, keep us informed.
Thank you.

[speck103]

I think this is a dumb law and discrimination. I am intelligent enough to not have to have people tell me what to do with my dog. My yorkie is an inside dog and never out without me, so he's not going to accidentally impregnate someone, so I think it's unlawful to make people put their animals through surgery.

[Princessyorkies]

I do not like it not one bit. I think this is more apart of them taking away our RIGHTS..... They have already taken prayer out of schools, trying to get In God We Trust off our money, taking down religious signs that are in public places.....So I feel they are once again trying to take something away from us that is OURS.........
To me the government is going way over board on all kinds of rights they are taking from us so this is just snother one. Several states are going to try this law out to an extint. Why not fine people whose dogs run loose and give them stiff punishment so to speak first off.
But leave us what is ours. It is our decision not the chain of command's to decide.
Now this is only my opinion and I am in no way taking this out on you all, it just makes me sick to see they are trying to take something else away.

[Tophersmom]

They don't microchip anywhere in my city anymore. I was quite surprised to hear that as our last dog was microchipped and I just assumed that it was a reliable way to identify your dog. Apparently that's not the case.

For one, there are many different kinds of chips and all machines don't read all chips. Secondly, the chips have a tendency to migrate, so therefore are difficult if not sometimes impossible to find.

I wish there were a reliable way, other than tatooing, to identify my dog if he ever were separated from me.

[Lola LaRue]

Originally Posted by doggrooming

IMO California has some really dumb laws. Did you know that you can not own a ferret in California. They consider them wild animals. As a ferret owner for many years I did research on them. The only wild ferret left in North America is the black footed ferret. The rest have all been domesticated and could not survive in the wild.

You can not own a ferret in California because they have no natural predators here. It is not a dumb law, it was set forth so that there would not be an overpopulation of something that is not indigenous.

By the way I am all for mandatory spaying and neutering. I think this law sounds fantastic.

[doggrooming]

Originally Posted by Lola LaRue

You can not own a ferret in California because they have no natural predators here. It is not a dumb law, it was set forth so that there would not be an overpopulation of something that is not indigenous.

By the way I am all for mandatory spaying and neutering. I think this law sounds fantastic.

I am sorry. I thought California had coyotes.