Ebola or Hysteria Paranoia?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I think other countries understand the implication they face, the problems they face, getting involved more and more with this problem. The solution to the problem is finding a vaccine, which the world is working on. There are countries all over the world, trying to develop vaccines to irradicate this disease. We are the only country that is more concern with helping masses of people and out of some sense of compassion, risk exposure of our own population to horrific diseases. We send healthcare workers, we send "boots on the ground", we build hospitals and clinics and set up isolation areas, we send billions of dollars in money, research, medical supplies,financial aid, etc and if all that is not enough, just let us know how much more we can cough up, shake from our money trees, take from our nest eggs....

The United States is the most hated country on the face of the earth, we are the laughing stock of the rest of the world, and we are expected to save the entire world, by countries that hate us the most. Crazy, crazy, crazy..........and so sad. Just tell us what you need and by golly, we will send it post haste, by hook or by crook....just how much more must we be required to deliver, or made to feel like we are "cruel, inhumane, incompassionate" sloths. We have a couple of real allies....our wonderful neighbors to the north-Canada....England, Australia, Israel... think that is about the size of it....but we are expected to heal , clothe, feed, cultivate, and defend the entire rest of the world. Excuse me while I go draw another bucketfull of money from the well out back......

I've read that very little of those promised funds and supplies have been delivered to the Ebola fight so far. That's really depressing.

I'll bet many Americans won't take an Ebola vaccine that's been rushed to the market - won't even get long-established yearly vaccines for flu that vary only as to the strains, measles and pertussis for their kids or flu vax for themselves for fear of dire side effects.

Wonder how many Africans will actually line up for a brand new Ebola vaccine - I'll bet it will be small numbers unless their government somehow could make them take it and then good luck tracking them all down. They'd have to go house-to-house, business-by-business, school-by-school, field-by-field, village-by-village and probably still couldn't get 1/3 of them inoculated if they really wanted to avoid it.

Unless those countries are going to have a safe Ebola vaccine by December, we're in real trouble as W.H.O. says there could be 10,000 Ebola cases a week by then. Boots on the ground workers to do the real work - establish strict isolation wards, disinfectant protocols, teach and perform safe biohazard waste management and disposal, teach safe burial techniques, plain old doctoring/nursing of violently sick patients and teaching Ebola contagion facts are what's needed right now. The world needs a huge deployment of smart, trained, dedicated healthcare workers flooding over there this instant if we want to stop a raging epidemic.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I think other countries understand the implication they face, the problems they face, getting involved more and more with this problem. The solution to the problem is finding a vaccine, which the world is working on. There are countries all over the world, trying to develop vaccines to irradicate this disease. We are the only country that is more concern with helping masses of people and out of some sense of compassion, risk exposure of our own population to horrific diseases. We send healthcare workers, we send "boots on the ground", we build hospitals and clinics and set up isolation areas, we send billions of dollars in money, research, medical supplies,financial aid, etc and if all that is not enough, just let us know how much more we can cough up, shake from our money trees, take from our nest eggs....

The United States is the most hated country on the face of the earth, we are the laughing stock of the rest of the world, and we are expected to save the entire world, by countries that hate us the most. Crazy, crazy, crazy..........and so sad. Just tell us what you need and by golly, we will send it post haste, by hook or by crook....just how much more must we be required to deliver, or made to feel like we are "cruel, inhumane, incompassionate" sloths. We have a couple of real allies....our wonderful neighbors to the north-Canada....England, Australia, Israel... think that is about the size of it....but we are expected to heal , clothe, feed, cultivate, and defend the entire rest of the world. Excuse me while I go draw another bucketfull of money from the well out back......

And now, the Kerry State Department is apparently planning to care for those Ebola cases of what foreign workers there are here in this country, as an incentive to get other countries to send desperately-needed workers, if that article is correct! What the heck, World?????

[Yorkiemom1]

It is now reported that nurse that threw a fit about being quarantined in NJ, has been sent back to her home State of Maine....where she is refusing to follow the State rules there for HOME quarantine. She has stated she will NOT be doing that! Guess the people in Maine and their very real fears over ebola, are not valid or important enough to her and what she thinks is right, and she fully intends to do whatever she pleases, whenever she pleases, however she pleases, afterall, she is a HERO that is supposed to be worshipped because she chose to be a nurse, then chose to help cure diseases and care for horribly infected patients. Therefore, she gets a pass on what the majority of people in this country feel is a real fear, and WE are all told to "get over it".

This bolsters my personal conviction all these healthcare workers should be quarantined right there in the areas where they are doing all their good works. If they are incapable of understanding our very real fears of this diseaser in this country, and they will lie and do as they please when they return here, as far as socially mingling and exposing all of us to this disease, remaining completely untouched by all the financial hardships they put the rest of us in if they DO get sick, they need to remain on site and complete their quarantine there. But wait! There is more!! We now have to swallow the idea of bringing NON CITIZENS into this country to treat them for ebola? We have NO CURE for this disease!! Why do they need to come here???? It seems to me someone is absolutely determined to bring the pandemic to this country, for whatever reason.....

[jp4m2]

Is this the same nurse who's a CDC employee?

[yorkietalkjilly]

If Maine can show proof that the nurse is now or maybe even likely going to be contagious to the public, they should win any court case, depending upon the politics of the judge. If not, allow that hero who went through a month of hell to self-monitor herself and go about her life as these workers have been doing for years without infecting us all. She knows to isolate the moment symptoms show up. She's not contagious to a single soul in Maine unless she is spewing highly-infectious bodily fluids or her dead body retains a high viral load.

Myself, I'd go stark-raving stir crazy confined to my house for 21 long days!

[LILBIT1]

The whole thing is very concerning.

[Maximo]

Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine | Quarantine | CDC

From the link above concerning the legal authorities for Isolation (for sick and infected) and Quarantine (for persons who have been exposed, but who have not tested positive and do not exhibit symptoms):

States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.
These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

History of Quarantine in the US:
History of Quarantine | Quarantine | CDC

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

If Maine can show proof that the nurse is now or maybe even likely going to be contagious to the public, they should win any court case, depending upon the politics of the judge. If not, allow that hero who went through a month of hell to self-monitor herself and go about her life as these workers have been doing for years without infecting us all. She knows to isolate the moment symptoms show up. She's not contagious to a single soul in Maine unless she is spewing highly-infectious bodily fluids or her dead body retains a high viral load.

Myself, I'd go stark-raving stir crazy confined to my house for 21 long days!

They dont want to be "self monitoring", so they lie and go out and socialize.....the troops are going to be quarantined for 21 days after exposure to ebola patients....oooops, sorry, I forgot ....they are not "heros" they are just our military men and women and they are not allowed to cry and throw fits because they think they know everything there is to know about ebola......I will be so happy when they get a vaccine that they can ship over there and treat all these patients with, so that maybe all these "heros" that care less about what their own fellow countrymen fear, worry about, and concern themselves with, dont have to go be "heros" and then come back here and possibly infect people here....innocent people that dont need to called "hero" by anyone but their loved ones and friends.

This woman threw a red-headed fit and the politicians caved into her rants and is getting lawyered up .....so now, she believes she can go back to Maine and pull the same thing, threatening the State, blah, blah, blah.... You dont want to play by the rules, go where you will be happy without rules. The entire country does NOT revolve around YOU. Little Miss Hero, you do not have the right to even perhaps infect me or my family with your "cause celeb".

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

Is this the same nurse who's a CDC employee?

Yes.......

[yorkietalkjilly]

The reason the military is making a mandatory quarantining of their people is that they cannot trust the self-interests of the young soldiers, who largely are made to feel invincible by that same military, to not forget to self-monitor or skip taking their temperature for a couple of days or more. No one knows young soldiers like the military - they've been working with them for centuries - and brave and courageous heroes that they are, they are not terribly worried about their own personal medical issues. So their commanders are not about to let them out in a community knowing some of them will simply forget/skip daily taking of temperature or watching for symptoms. It seems awfully silly to put them through this unless they are contagious but that's the reality of young military types.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

The reason the military is making a mandatory quarantining of their people is that they cannot trust the self-interests of the young soldiers, who largely are made to feel invincible by that same military, to not forget to self-monitor or skip taking their temperature for a couple of days or more. No one knows young soldiers like the military - they've been working with them for centuries - and brave and courageous heroes that they are, they are not terribly worried about their own personal medical issues. So their commanders are not about to let them out in a community knowing some of them will simply forget/skip daily taking of temperature or watching for symptoms. It seems awfully silly to put them through this unless they are contagious but that's the reality of young military types.

The reason the military CAN impose a Mandatory Quarantine is because they are the Military. Pretty simple.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

They dont want to be "self monitoring", so they lie and go out and socialize.....the troops are going to be quarantined for 21 days after exposure to ebola patients....oooops, sorry, I forgot ....they are not "heros" they are just our military men and women and they are not allowed to cry and throw fits because they think they know everything there is to know about ebola......I will be so happy when they get a vaccine that they can ship over there and treat all these patients with, so that maybe all these "heros" that care less about what their own fellow countrymen fear, worry about, and concern themselves with, dont have to go be "heros" and then come back here and possibly infect people here....innocent people that dont need to called "hero" by anyone but their loved ones and friends.

This woman threw a red-headed fit and the politicians caved into her rants and is getting lawyered up .....so now, she believes she can go back to Maine and pull the same thing, threatening the State, blah, blah, blah.... You dont want to play by the rules, go where you will be happy without rules. The entire country does NOT revolve around YOU. Little Miss Hero, you do not have the right to even perhaps infect me or my family with your "cause celeb".

I'll have to admit that Kaci Hickox, while I agree that she's scientifically correct, has most of the medical intelligentsia behind her and is a real hero for what she did in Africa, by still fighting against yet another state is almost making healthcare workers seem unsympathetic figures. I get her grievance for being held in a tent past the time it was proven that she wasn't sick or contagious but agree that once she produced a fever at the airport, she should have been quarantined until it was found she had no disease in her body. Then, it was right to release her.

But I disagree that all returning healthcare workers who haven't any symptoms or fever should be quarantined because Dr. Spencer was out and about before he became contagious. What about Dr. Fauci and his team and Amber Vinson's healthcare team - they've all treated Ebola patients and are apparently going to work, living their lives, while he's giving interviews to unprotected journalists and crew. Shouldn't they all be home quarantined if Hickox should?

Still, the way Hickox is handling herself now, is not serving her professional or helping Ebola fears at this point. This almost hostile attitude of making her quarantines all about a healthcare worker's wants and is never the way to win others over to an unpopular point of view with the public.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

The reason the military CAN impose a Mandatory Quarantine is because they are the Military. Pretty simple.

hehe. No kidding!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Still seems all kinds of wrong for a judge to look at Kari Hickox and say, "Even if you have no fever, passed two Ebola tests and are symptom-free, because Jane & John Doe down the road are afraid, you must stay in your house until I say you can leave, by order of the State".

Who wants the State to be able to selectively choose whom to detain due to somebody else's unfounded fears or prejudices? In the past, weren't quarantined people were at least sick or proven disease carriers?

In the meantime, Dr. Fauci, NIH Ebola team & Emory U. Hospital Ebola team plus the doctors who've also treated Ebola patients in the last 21 days who were on the dais with Pres. Obama today are living their lives, being feted and treated as conquering heroes.

[Yorkiemom1]

There is NO CURE for this disease!!! IF they are wrong, which they may very well be, about symptoms and incubation periods, etc, why should the rest of the country be terrified about getting this disease? This is CRAZY! If these people want to go over there and do this noble work, fine, part of the job is to spend 21 days in quarantine before they can mingle and socialize with the rest of the city. If we are all wrong and we have nothing to fear, and we can not catch the disease unless we are hands on with critically ill patients (which I doubt, because that camera man that has it now, was not in direct contact handling sick patients or their human excrement), then fine, we are safe and there is no massive outbreak of ebola....it is just inconvient for the hero that chose to do this. BUT, if THEY are wrong, the results are catastrophic, and then what do we do, run around wailing, "But you said it would not happen!!!"

We must err on the side of caution. We can not risk the health of the entire country/State/city, just to do an honor dance around these "heros", that are so irresponsible, they could care less what the rest of us are experiencing with all this ebola mess. If they want to expose themselves fine.....but the line is drawn there, at the very least until there is a CURE for the disease.

You want a REAL hero??? We have a Marine, a decorated Marine, that is sitting in a Mexican jail for 6 months, and no one even mentions his name!