Ebola or Hysteria Paranoia?

[yorkietalkjilly]

A quarantine of returning healthcare workers really worries me - even only for those at high risk if there is every reason to believe they are going to get sick but the fact is, most don't. Doctors Without Borders have been working with Ebola for years with what - now two cases? The trouble with quarantining all returning health care workers is now even less people will want to go to West Africa to try to solve the world's Ebola crisis. It would be hard enough to want to go over there - takes a special sort of hero - but just imagine if the moment you get back, NY and NJ put you in quarantine in the unlikely event you might become ill. I'm so scared this might be the last little straw that broke the camel's back to discourage some workers from going there and they need a massive deployment of workers, not less!

Hopefully, this won't stunt the truly dedicated from going but wow, it sure could cut out some that figure they could offer themselves for two weeks, a month but a month plus a quarantine - not everybody can take that much time off their regular jobs. This step is worrisome for getting the disease stopped over there anytime soon.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

A quarantine of returning healthcare workers really worries me - even only for those at high risk if there is every reason to believe they are going to get sick but the fact is, most don't. Doctors Without Borders have been working with Ebola for years with what - now two cases? The trouble with quarantining all returning health care workers is now even less people will want to go to West Africa to try to solve the world's Ebola crisis. It would be hard enough to want to go over there - takes a special sort of hero - but just imagine if the moment you get back, NY and NJ put you in quarantine in the unlikely event you might become ill. I'm so scared this might be the last little straw that broke the camel's back to discourage some workers from going there and they need a massive deployment of workers, not less!

Hopefully, this won't stunt the truly dedicated from going but wow, it sure could cut out some that figure they could offer themselves for two weeks, a month but a month plus a quarantine - not everybody can take that much time off their regular jobs. This step is worrisome for getting the disease stopped over there anytime soon.

Look at the history of ebola outbreaks: List of Ebola outbreaks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Previous high number was 425 cases in Uganda in 2000-2001. Now we have 10,000 cases from 2013 to the present.

The potential for more health care workers to be infected is much higher.

How long do Doctors without Borders and others usually spend in Africa and elsewhere when they go there to work? Asking them to be quarantined for another 21 days, how would this compare to a typical military deployment time?

Seems like we should be able to find health care workers willing to make the sacrifice for something this important. We find people who go undercover for long lengths of time, people who enter the NASA space program and who are essentially quarantined for long lengths of time, people who go on reality shows like Survivor and who are out of touch with the world for a long length of time.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Not all volunteers are doctors and certainly not all volunteers can work for longer than a month or two at best - few can commit for six months to one year, unlike the space program/military where the personnel are full-time employees with full salary, full employee/family benefits, vacations and life insurance. And West Africa needs massive amounts of medical workers now.

I heard a doctor on CNN just said USAID has funded future clinics requiring about 5,000 more workers - what is going to happen when the Americans return and get quarantined? Where will NJ and NY put them all?

After this panicky move by the NJ and NY governors to try to quell public fears, I imagine fewer lab workers, nurses, orderlies, etc. and highly respected doctors will want to go for not being able to take off most of an extra month on top of their volunteer time, loss of their regular salary/benefits and now they surely fear the US will one day soon totally close its borders and they will be stuck in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea for the duration if two states quarantine returning medical workers after so few cases here?

And for what? Despite the experts hedging their facts, we still have one doctor not yet leaking any bodily fluids when out and about in public plus the very few cases diagnosed in America, two contracted here at one bad hospital, and all but one recovered. We have no where near a 50% death rate for Ebola treated here. I firmly believe Duncan might well have lived had he had better medical care from the day he first got sick and sought treatment.

If we don't stop this disease in West Africa with a huge influx of qualified, very well-trained healthcare workers - who don't take any chances no matter how hot and tired they are and who won't roam around the villages in their spare time - and loads of supplies, clinics, isolation wards, I fear America will have many, many more cases.

[Yorkiemom1]

They quarantined some nurse that landed overnight in NY I think is was NY....she was not aware she was going to be quarantined and she was supposedly rather indignant about not being able to "self monitor"....(we know how well that has worked for all these "self monitors"!) She was plaqced in quarantine, and lo and behold, imagine this!! She has now developed a fever!!!! Got the fever WHILE in quarantine! Thank GOD!! Now, they dont have to run all over the city, the transportation facilities, entertainment venues, sidewalks, restaurants, etc, closing down businesses, trying to find EVERYONE she may have exposed! This is what should have been in place from the beginning!!!

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

They quarantined some nurse that landed overnight in NY I think is was NY....she was not aware she was going to be quarantined and she was supposedly rather indignant about not being able to "self monitor"....(we know how well that has worked for all these "self monitors"!) She was plaqced in quarantine, and lo and behold, imagine this!! She has now developed a fever!!!! Got the fever WHILE in quarantine! Thank GOD!! Now, they dont have to run all over the city, the transportation facilities, entertainment venues, sidewalks, restaurants, etc, closing down businesses, trying to find EVERYONE she may have exposed! This is what should have been in place from the beginning!!!

She landed in New Jersery. This was from last night. She has been tested, and she did test Negative !!

[Yorkiemom1]

Is she still quarantined for the 21 days? Hopefully, she is. With the examples of false negative testings because they were done too early, etc....hopefully they will not "backslide" and not have her finish the 21 days. Lets see if those "suites" that all talked such a big game, stick to their guns, walk the walk they talk, or if, as usual, they are "all hat and no cattle"!!!

[Yorkiemom1]

Just got the answer....she will remain in quarantine.

[Yorkiemom1]

Just read that nurses called in sick today, to avoid taking care of the doctor that was admitted with ebola. Article states that the nurses say they are absolutely terrified of taking care of this patient. Now, these are union nurses that we have all been told are thoroughly prepared and educated and trained and confident and more than ready to assume this task of taking care of ebola patients under the strict isolation guidelines....."the hospital, the staff, the city.... all are prepared to assume the necessary isolation precautions to keep staff, patients, and the public safe"....

I said from the start I would believe all that gibberish from the suits if and when the NURSES stepped up and showed no concern taking care of patients with ebola, that they and their hospital were indeed prepared and ready to assume this task. Well, the nurses are calling in sick to avoid taking care of the patient. One poor soul even faked she was having a stroke to avoid having to take that assignment.....they cleared her in ER and sent her back to her unit. I hope these nurses remember access to "Safe Harbor" policy.....that, along with support from their Union, should keep their licenses safe at least....

[Maximo]

At our local satellite ER last night, the regular security guard was stationed at a lectern in the entry vestibule with a sign:

"If you have traveled outside the country in the last three weeks and have a fever, please tell the staff immediately."

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[megansmomma]

Guess this is the learning curve.......

Anyone in Illinois who had direct contact with a person infected with the Ebola virus while in three African countries will be required to undergo a mandatory 21-day quarantine, according to an order signed by Gov. Pat Quinn.

The order, which was signed Friday, affects "high-risk" individuals who have come in contact with patients in Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone, the three nations hardest hit by the disease.

The mandatory order also includes medical personnel who have treated people infected with the Ebola virus, officials said.


The order will be implemented by local health departments throughout Illinois. Previously, high-risk people were subject to a voluntary quarantine, according to the governor's office.

"This protective measure is too important to be voluntary," Quinn said in a statement. "While we have no confirmed cases of the Ebola virus in Illinois, we will continue to take every safeguard necessary to protect first responders, health care workers and the people of Illinois."

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@PeterBella The guy with the horn? It's in the bowling alley that is closed due to the sick doctor. I guess he can put his lips together and blow some bad notes, as it thePC popular thing to do for horn players and know-it-all mopes who want some liberal love and more hits and media...
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Quinn issued the directive in a statement dated Friday after New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie made the same rule for travelers landing at New York City-area airports. The rule exceeds federal guidelines.

Five U.S. airports are designated for passengers returning from the West African countries, including O'Hare International Airport, John F. Kennedy in New York, and Newark Liberty in New Jersey. The others are Hart in Atlanta and Washington Dulles in Virginia.


Illinois Ebola quarantine - Chicago Tribune

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Guess this is the learning curve.......

Anyone in Illinois who had direct contact with a person infected with the Ebola virus while in three African countries will be required to undergo a mandatory 21-day quarantine, according to an order signed by Gov. Pat Quinn.

The order, which was signed Friday, affects "high-risk" individuals who have come in contact with patients in Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone, the three nations hardest hit by the disease.

The mandatory order also includes medical personnel who have treated people infected with the Ebola virus, officials said.


The order will be implemented by local health departments throughout Illinois. Previously, high-risk people were subject to a voluntary quarantine, according to the governor's office.

"This protective measure is too important to be voluntary," Quinn said in a statement. "While we have no confirmed cases of the Ebola virus in Illinois, we will continue to take every safeguard necessary to protect first responders, health care workers and the people of Illinois."

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@PeterBella The guy with the horn? It's in the bowling alley that is closed due to the sick doctor. I guess he can put his lips together and blow some bad notes, as it thePC popular thing to do for horn players and know-it-all mopes who want some liberal love and more hits and media...
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Quinn issued the directive in a statement dated Friday after New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie made the same rule for travelers landing at New York City-area airports. The rule exceeds federal guidelines.

Five U.S. airports are designated for passengers returning from the West African countries, including O'Hare International Airport, John F. Kennedy in New York, and Newark Liberty in New Jersey. The others are Hart in Atlanta and Washington Dulles in Virginia.


Illinois Ebola quarantine - Chicago Tribune

Well...... DUH!!! Thank Goodness it dawned on somebody that decided to act on it!! This has been a glaringly clear method of containment since this started!! I understand why those particular airports have been chosen (because they are the "gateway airports of entry" for the majority of international travel)....but I have to say I am concerned about HIA (Houston International) and LAX on the west coast.....International flights do come into those ports of entry but not in the volume of the five already designated.

Even if they know absolutely everything about ebola, and no one is in fact in danger of infected people walking all over our cities, think of the enormous amounts of money, time and effort it takes to track down every single person that has been exposed to a patient that may have the disease.....someone that has walked/traveled all over these cities, places of business that have to close and decontaminate, etc. It can be a staggering amount, and it should not be a questionable move for authorities to prevent closing down businesses and chasing down hundreds of citizens that one person exposed themselves to. Quarantine that ONE person, and after 21 days, they are no longer considered "hot" and can be allowed to return home. Actually the very best, most effective method would be to quarantine them over there before they ever leave that area.....then they can go all over Europe and Asia and any place they want, and everyone would be safer. But I am thankful for the small baby steps we have taken in this country!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Will Pham, Vinson, Spencer's doctors and nurses all need to be quarantined in tents, too, should they show a fever while out and about, like Kaci Hickox temporarily did when she was upset, her face flushing? Will the Dr. Fauci of the NIH himself be quarantined by Maryland's governor soon in a tent like Hickox should he decide to fly and show a 100.3 fever? Aren't patients in America just as infectious as those in West Africa?

[yorkietalkjilly]

Doctors Without Borders doctors, nurses and aids usually can volunteer for a weeks to a month, no more, for no to a small amount of money, but if each of them has to look forward to going into mandatory quarantine while American workers are not required to do it, I imagine there will be a cancellation of plans for many workers who just can't afford the extra time away from their regular medical practices, jobs, families and salaries and see the quarantining of healthy, non-contagious people as scientifically nonsensical.

And if those people stop volunteering to go to West Africa, I fear we'll have far more Thomas Duncan's in every large city by Christmas.

[ShowGirlLola]

Doctors without boarders pays the doctors for an additional 21 days, they recommend taking the time off work to recover.

Personally if I were at risk for ebola I'd rather be quarantined outside of my home so they wouldn't destroy all my stuff if I got sick. (Gofundme pages for the nurses say this is one of the things they're raising money for)
Makes you wonder, if it's such a weak virus outside of the body, why they feel that's necessary.

[yorkietalkjilly]

But the pay is negligible and nothing like the regular salaries they give up to go work there. Besides, their wives and families need them and if they are not sick, what is the point? Science didn't change because they worked in Africa vs. working at Emory or NIH or Bellevue. And to just quarantine those returning from Africa and let American Ebola patients' caregivers and doctors walk around freely is truly silly. Either the disease is a risky, highly infections disease no matter where it is or it's not. I don't get it.