Ebola or Hysteria Paranoia?

[Cherie6446]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Do you have any links with information on this?

I don't know how to link in here. I goggled "do you always have a fever with Ebola" and there are links from www.godlikeproductions" (??) with links to fevers. Also, I heard it on tv and you know you can always believe what you hear on the tube.

[BabyGirl Rosie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am not believing hardly anything anyone says to me. I have posted a little information below, from "International SOS" , as well as information garnered from WHO, CDC (HA!), etc. I have contacted DuPont regarding the effectiveness of Virkon on ebola virus....will post that when I hear from them. I know ( ??...as best as anyone can know that does not manufacture a specific chemical themselves!!!) that chlorine kills the virus....I use a chlorine spray in my kennel on a weekly basis, spraying everything down, crates, walls floors, etc to protect against all the diseases we know can affect dogs....parvo distemper, etc, along with daily cleanings with Virkon. I am not sure the concentration of the chlorine spray I use, is the same as what they are spraying everyone down with before they remove PPE when they come out of the wards caring for the dying ebola patients. When I hear from both of these companies that make these sprays, I will post what I am told.
After reading the article pasted below, I think I will purchase some form of a hand sanitizer to use in public....
Someone had asked about cotton gloves as protection....NO, wont work! Cotton will simply absorb the infecting material.... There are some Latex gloves that do not keep certain bacteria/viruses from permeating the gloves....you have to be sure the latex gloves you are using are approved for specific protection in isolation carts and contact situations.

"According to "International SOS".....
Is the virus killed by commercial hand sanitisers?
The US CDC advises that waterless alcohol-based hand rub can be used if soap is not available*. The World Health Organization also advises travellers to use hand sanitizer (but to wash if hands are visibly dirty). Ebola is killed by a range of disinfectant agents including sodium hypochlorite, lipid solvents, phenolic disinfectants, peracetic acid, methyl alcohol, ether, sodium deoxycholate, 2% glutaraldehyde, 0.25% Triton X-100, β-propiolactone, 3% acetic acid (pH 2.5), formaldehyde and paraformaldehyde, and detergents such as sodium dodecyl sulphate (SDS).
Companies may wish to compare the ingredients of commercial cleaning preparations available to them against this list of known effective agents.

*CDC Interim Guidance about Ebola Virus Infection
A Research Fellow at the Noguchi Memorial Institute for Medical Research, Dr Kofi Bonney, has cautioned the public to be wary of the types of hand sanitizers they buy from the market as part of precautionary measures to prevent an outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus.

According to him, hand sanitizers come in two forms; one meant to kill only bacteria and another meant to kill all forms of germs including bacteria, viruses, fungi and protozoa.

Following the outbreak of the Ebola virus in West Africa, there has been a marked upsurge in the use of hand sanitizers for disinfecting the hands for fear of people coming into contact with the virus.

However, at a sensitization forum on Ebola organised by the Graphic Communications Group Limited, Dr Bonney noted that there was a need for the public to carefully read the labels of the sanitizers before buying them.

“Take your time to read what the sanitizers can do. Read the instructions and what they contain because the sanitizer meant for bacteria can only kill bacteria,” he advised.

Checks at the Food and Drugs Authority (FDA) have shown that only 11 hand sanitizers on the market are recognised by the authority.

The brands of hand sanitizers that had valid registration with the FDA as of beginning of August 2014 were Sanigel, Clean Touch, Dial Hand, Samocid, Forever Hand, Steri-7, Carex, Fruiser, Purell, Bremed and High Baby. "

Thank you for this info.

[BabyGirl Rosie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I wanted to add the below information I found.....seems this would be a much better solution that hand sanitizers.....it is what we use in the hospital to wash our hands with....
"Does CHG (Chlorhexidine Gluconate Solution) Kill Ebola Virus?
Yes. This is a hospital-grade soap, which doctors use before performing surgeries. Studies have shown that it is effective at killing all types of bacteria & viruses, including enveloped viruses such as Ebola. This is probably your best bet for hand washing, as it is stronger than regular soap, but not as harsh on skin as bleach. The CHG 4.0% solution is present in a product called Hibiclens. This liquid soap can be purchased online or at most CVS drugstores. As an added bonus, it is also effective at killing MERSA, and quickly heals wounds that MERSA has infected.
Hibiclens Hand Wipes are the perfect replacement for basic hand sanitizer, which is ineffectual against ebola. The Hibiclens Wipes combine 70% Isopropyl Alcohol for immediate bacterial kill, plus a 0.5% CHG solution. This allows for persistent antimicrobial protection that leaves a residual CHG solution on skin – which provides killing action for up to 6 hours.

I just bought the Hibiclens scrub. Does it work as well as the wipes?

[Yorkiemom1]

We use the scrub in our isolation carts in the hospital....I was not even aware of the product being available in a hand wipe until I read it in that article....I have alswys used the scrub /soap around my home, counter tops, kitchen, any of my dogs that have surgery get a bath the night before in the scrub....I am going to get some of the hand wipes just because that would be soo convenient! I would imagine the wipes would indeed by as effective as the surgical scrub.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Hopefully they'll be charged with some kind of disorderly conduct or whatnot and be FINED big time. I can't imagine charges not being brought on this one. It's like those people who fake their own kidnappings - they face criminal charges and restitution.

You would think they would make it public for everyone to know so there's don't do it.

[yorkietalkjilly]

I think mostly CDC and others have handled this virus as well as any very large country can handle a new, highly infectious disease within its borders - with mistakes of medical doctors treating it for the first time, insufficient protocols and few cases of hysterical reactions here and there. Mostly, people are going about daily their daily lives and our docs and hospitals are getting up to speed.

The only thing that even gives me pause about our country's ability to handle the Ebola virus is the possibility of somehow Mexico getting many cases of it, their healthcare system becoming overwhelmed and many people begin mass migration north across the borders, any number of them possibly newly infected. Aside from that unlikely situation, I think we can manage it as more cases crop up as they most certainly will at the current rate of infection in West Africa. That's where the world needs to focus its efforts and money.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

And explane how in the world Duncan's relatives lived in that filthy, contaminated apartment, with bloody vomit and diarrhea all through that apartment, on bedding, in the carpet, etc....and NONE of them have gotten it!!! But the nurses taking care of him, with PPE covering them head to toe, with all the chemicals they wash their hands with as they leave the ante room where they remove all the PPE, THEY come down with it!!! There is so much we do not know about this.....this is scary......

From what I understand the viral load increases as the disease progresses. So it would make sense that the family did not get sick while the hospital workers did. Also, you say they were covered from head to toe but from what I understand what they were doing to protect themselves actually made it worse because they there double and triple gowning and using tape. So when they broke scrub they were causing the contamination in addition to not having full face coverage. Also, I don't believe the masks that were used were impervious either which would also be a huge issue.

[Yorkiemom1]

But the doctor and other health care worker were covered completely, additionally getting sprayed off head to foot with a chlorine solution....and yet, they got it. My concern and question remains about the conditions the family that was in extensive contact with the patient when he was clearly critically ill and had a huge virus load going on, and staff that was NOT in such unprotected direct contact and yet they got it..... I am now involved with a couple of nursing advocacy groups that are doing various activities to proove that it was the hospital that was grossly negligent and did not provide the correct isolation equipment for the staff....they started out with nothing but standard isolation gowns and masks and shoe covers....not to mention they and many, many other hospital staff were all around that patient as he remained in an open ER room, then moved into an "isolation room" in the ER.....which is nothing more than a cubicle with a sliding glass door, as opposed to just a curtain that is drawn around the patient. All the lies that have been told about being prepared and nurses having been trained to work with ebola patients specifically, are of course, all lies. The staff from all over the hospital, from lab, to xray, to housekeeping, to ER nurses and doctors....and oh yes, other patients, is absolutely unforgivable and unacceptable. I think it was even you that reminded me that you suppossed that patient had exposed other patients while in the ER....and, OMG, after talking with some of the people I have been talking with, it was soooooooo much worse than just that....I just can not believe how ridiculous and totally unprepared all this was ...not only on the first arrival at the hospital, but when he was brought in the second time, clearly in the throes of a hemmorhagic disease....and they blame the nurses for "a break in protocol"....protocol that in reality did not even exist! You are correct....nurses were sent into a lions den, with nothing but paper gowns and a partial face mask and gloves (gloves that may not even be impermeable to ebola virus)....This whole process, if not such a tragic event, would be like a comedy of errors......except people die when hospitals and government health care entities lie about measures they allegedly have in place "to protect us".....NO ONE was protected.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

But the doctor and other health care worker were covered completely, additionally getting sprayed off head to foot with a chlorine solution....and yet, they got it. My concern and question remains about the conditions the family that was in extensive contact with the patient when he was clearly critically ill and had a huge virus load going on, and staff that was NOT in such unprotected direct contact and yet they got it..... I am now involved with a couple of nursing advocacy groups that are doing various activities to proove that it was the hospital that was grossly negligent and did not provide the correct isolation equipment for the staff....they started out with nothing but standard isolation gowns and masks and shoe covers....not to mention they and many, many other hospital staff were all around that patient as he remained in an open ER room, then moved into an "isolation room" in the ER.....which is nothing more than a cubicle with a sliding glass door, as opposed to just a curtain that is drawn around the patient. All the lies that have been told about being prepared and nurses having been trained to work with ebola patients specifically, are of course, all lies. The staff from all over the hospital, from lab, to xray, to housekeeping, to ER nurses and doctors....and oh yes, other patients, is absolutely unforgivable and unacceptable. I think it was even you that reminded me that you suppossed that patient had exposed other patients while in the ER....and, OMG, after talking with some of the people I have been talking with, it was soooooooo much worse than just that....I just can not believe how ridiculous and totally unprepared all this was ...not only on the first arrival at the hospital, but when he was brought in the second time, clearly in the throes of a hemmorhagic disease....and they blame the nurses for "a break in protocol"....protocol that in reality did not even exist! You are correct....nurses were sent into a lions den, with nothing but paper gowns and a partial face mask and gloves (gloves that may not even be impermeable to ebola virus)....This whole process, if not such a tragic event, would be like a comedy of errors......except people die when hospitals and government health care entities lie about measures they allegedly have in place "to protect us".....NO ONE was protected.

Are you talking about the doctors and such in West Africa? From my understand this did not happen in the hospital in TX. As of right now who knows for sure what went on in the hospital in the very beginning. But I have a strong feeling that in the end what is going to come out is they didn't want the CDC (government) telling them what to do in THEIR hospital so they implemented a fly by the seat of their pants plan while reporting all was well......until (my guess) a nurse stepped up to stop the madness. By then it was too late and the first 2 nurses were exposed.

Look at this nonsense! Ebola kit my hinney!

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[megansmomma]

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[megansmomma]

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[megansmomma]

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[yorkietalkjilly]

Apparently at least some patients early in their illness don't necessarily have enough of a viral load to become wildly contagious to others and apparently don't shed virus that lives very long at all out in the environment off its host or Duncan's fiancee/family who kissed/hugged him, lived in very close quarters with him would have certainly caught it.

Neither Dr. Brantly and Nurse Writebol are sure how they got the virus, though both have said it could have been from contacts in the community, which apparently was/is teeming with contagious people going about looking after themselves as long as they can, looking for help, hiding their symptoms for as long as possible for fear of rejection/shunning. Or they each could have had an inadvertent breach of protocol from working long, hot, miserable shifts or inadequate/failure of their suits - vent/exhaust leaks. The gear is all burned so there is no way to back-check it. But as they both got sick about the same time, as did Pham and Vinson working with Duncan, I suspect it could have been the same patient back in Liberia whom they both got it from, whatever happened.

[megansmomma]

How about a single use Ebola Protection kit. What a deal $20! These are all items that are readily available in every hospital and have nothing to do with protection from Ebola. The white single use suit is commonly called a "Bunny Suit" and is worn to protect usually outside workers that are going into areas in the hospital where street clothes are not allowed. For example into the OR when maintenance needs to be done on equipment. It's just outrageous people are fear mongering and profiting from they media hysteria that is being created for "news".
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[Maximo]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

How about a single use Ebola Protection kit. What a deal $20! These are all items that are readily available in every hospital and have nothing to do with protection from Ebola. The white single use suit is commonly called a "Bunny Suit" and is worn to protect usually outside workers that are going into areas in the hospital where street clothes are not allowed. For example into the OR when maintenance needs to be done on equipment. It's just outrageous people are fear mongering and profiting from they media hysteria that is being created for "news".
EBOLA DEFENSE KIT (Single) - Survival Center

Disgusting that anyone would profit with such nonsense (things that won't help), playing on fear.