Casey Anthony Trial

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

I will add this. I disagree with the motive that the prosecution presented. I don't believe she killed her daughter because she wanted to party. (I believe she wanted to party more than she loved her daughter, but that is not the motive.)

Here is what I think the motive was: She and her mother had a VERY dysfunctional relationship. I've read or watched the police interviews with Jesse Grund (former fiance.) He tells about an argument that Lee said Casey and her mother had right before June 16th. Her mother threatened to take Caylee away from her....called her an unfit mother, etc. There are other witnesses that said the same thing, not just Jesse.

Anyhow, I think she killed Caylee to 1) punish her mother, 2) out of anger that her mother would try to take Caylee away from her...instead she took Caylee away from Cindy, 3) knew there would be LOTS of sympathy and attention to herself if her daughter was missing and then killed by a mysterious person.

There was plenty of evidence to show how dysfuntional this family is. There is plenty of evidence to show the anger Casey had at her mother regarding her mother's and Caylee's relationship. The prosecution decided to go the other route based on her partying for the 31 days.

Bottom line for me: I think she killed her daughter to punish her mother and to take Caylee away from Cindy.

This has been my thought, too. I read that this fight on the 15th was the worst that they had ever had (this came from the aunt and she was told from Cindy's mom)....Cindy even choked Casey. In fact, Cindy's elderly mom blames herself because she feels that Caylee would still be alive if she hadn't told Cindy that Casey was stealing money from the account that was set up for Cindy's father's nursing home care. It's even reported that the neighbors head screaming and obsenities coming from the Anthony's backyard on the 15th. Cindy told her that all of her stealing from people was now a felony and that she planned to prosecute and so did other people. She went onto to say that she would be in prison for years and she would get custody of Caylee.

This is where I think Casey's mind was on the 16th.

[TammyJM]

Oh, about the Chloroform.....it is actually present in human decomposition. This could explain the extremely high amounts of it in the trunk. Either she used it to put her to sleep or it was present because there was a body in there....either way, she's VERY guilty of something bad!

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Now we're going to have to listen to how brilliant he was, one minute begging for a mistrial, and the next, he's gets an acquittal.

I know...he was flying by the seat of his pants. What ultimately won the case?? Reasonable doubt. Anyone can present reasonable doubt. You just have to get lucky enough for a jury to not really understand it all.

I have also been frustrated with all the people NOW saying that they knew she would be found not guilty. NO they didn't. They are just trying to look smart now.

[gidget529]

Originally Posted by chachi

wHY cant she be charged with that she wasnt charged with concealing a body

I don't know how these ppl could have reviewed all of the evidence and compared it to all of the charges in that short amount of time. Not only was she murdered Caylee brought against her (premeditated/first degree), but a count of felony child abuse or attempt to commit felony child abuse - in Florida that constitutes murder in the first degree if the child dies during abuse or attempted abuse. How did they clear her of that?

There was also manslaughter brought against her; that is Caylee's death was in the care of her mother and resulted from her mother's actions/inability to care for or supervise. How did she not get convicted of that?

I don't think this jury understood or took the time to carefully review ALL charges brought against her and what the definitions of these charges were. Perhaps taking some notes would have helped!

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

This has been my thought, too. I read that this fight on the 15th was the worst that they had ever had (this came from the aunt and she was told from Cindy's mom)....Cindy even choked Casey. In fact, Cindy's elderly mom blames herself because she feels that Caylee would still be alive if she hadn't told Cindy that Casey was stealing money from the account that was set up for Cindy's father's nursing home care. It's even reported that the neighbors head screaming and obsenities coming from the Anthony's backyard on the 15th. Cindy told her that all of her stealing from people was now a felony and that she planned to prosecute and so did other people. She went onto to say that she would be in prison for years and she would get custody of Caylee.

This is where I think Casey's mind was on the 16th.

Exactly. She decided to take matters into her own hands. Sick, isn't it?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

I know...he was flying by the seat of his pants. What ultimately won the case?? Reasonable doubt. Anyone can present reasonable doubt. You just have to get lucky enough for a jury to not really understand it all.

I have also been frustrated with all the people NOW saying that they knew she would be found not guilty. NO they didn't. They are just trying to look smart now.

I think what ultimately won this case was the fact that they had a jury that never planned to find her guilty.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by gidget529

I don't know how these ppl could have reviewed all of the evidence and compared it to all of the charges in that short amount of time. Not only was she murdered Caylee brought against her (premeditated/first degree), but a count of felony child abuse or attempt to commit felony child abuse - in Florida that constitutes murder in the first degree if the child dies during abuse or attempted abuse. How did they clear her of that?

There was also manslaughter brought against her; that is Caylee's death was in the care of her mother and resulted from her mother's actions/inability to care for or supervise. How did she not get convicted of that?

I don't think this jury understood or took the time to carefully review ALL charges brought against her and what the definitions of these charges were. Perhaps taking some notes would have helped!

They definitely didn't understand (or care to!) because one of the alternates said that he felt the right decision was made because motive was never proven. THAT IS SO FRUSTRATING TO KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS PART OF IT!!!!!! Sure, a jury likes to have a motive....to make sense of it, but technically they didn't have to in order to prove she was guilty. This was even explained to them at one point. I think that too many of jury members related too much to Casey and her life.....the case for prosecution ended before it ever even began.

*sigh*

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by gidget529

I don't know how these ppl could have reviewed all of the evidence and compared it to all of the charges in that short amount of time. Not only was she murdered Caylee brought against her (premeditated/first degree), but a count of felony child abuse or attempt to commit felony child abuse - in Florida that constitutes murder in the first degree if the child dies during abuse or attempted abuse. How did they clear her of that?

There was also manslaughter brought against her; that is Caylee's death was in the care of her mother and resulted from her mother's actions/inability to care for or supervise. How did she not get convicted of that?

I don't think this jury understood or took the time to carefully review ALL charges brought against her and what the definitions of these charges were. Perhaps taking some notes would have helped!

Right!!! By the way, did you post comments on a you tube video? Your user name reminds me of one there.

Think about this....

on Sunday the jury heard the first part of the closing statement from the prosecution, and then heard FOUR hours of the defense's closing statement. Recess for the day.

Monday the jury came in to court ALL DRESSED UP. This is before they even finished hearing from the prosecution. They also came ALL DRESSED UP on Tuesday...the day they announced their verdict.

These are jurors that always dressed casually in tennis shoes, etc...coming in wearing ties and high heels. They made up their mind about "reasonable doubt" on SUNDAY after the defense made their statement.

It feels like a series of unfortunate events. The jurors did NOT seriously deliberate. I don't think they even seriously listened to the prosecutions closing. They had ALREADY made up their mind.

Just wanted to add: To the jurors...SHAME ON YOU!!! You have Caylee's blood on your hands, in my opinion.

[roseylovestosho]

Please, I hope you guys don't take this the wrong way it's not my intention--but it's well documented that death throw is racially and ethnically biased. In other words, non-whites are put on death row at a higher rate than whites (non-hispanics) do you guys feel that may have played a role in it? And PLEASE I am not trying to offend anyone by this so please don' t take me the wrong way!

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

Please, I hope you guys don't take this the wrong way it's not my intention--but it's well documented that death throw is racially and ethnically biased. In other words, non-whites are put on death row at a higher rate than whites (non-hispanics) do you guys feel that may have played a role in it? And PLEASE I am not trying to offend anyone by this so please don' t take me the wrong way!

Absolutely. The system is definitely racially biased. You can argue that it is the minorities committing more crimes, BUT, even if that is true, it doesn't change the fact that it is REALLY hard to convict a pretty, white, young, woman to death row.

The case would absolutely have been different if she wasn't pretty, white, and young.

This is JUST MY OPINION.

[Bitsy]

A few other things that bothered me....

The defense table SHOULD not have faced the jury. That was SO prejudicial. They had to look at her sitting in a lowered chair, appearing all young and tiny, watching her cry, dressed in pastels and ruffles for 6 weeks. Give me a break.

Also, I do NOT think that there should be media and an audience in the courtroom. It added unnecessary pressure to the jury. Some cases should have a closed court room. They can still televise it, but they jury wouldn't be privy to it.

(I'm sure you can't tell that I am completely worked up over this now!!!! Time for a sidebar.)

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

Absolutely. The system is definitely racially biased. You can argue that it is the minorities committing more crimes, BUT, even if that is true, it doesn't change the fact that it is REALLY hard to convict a pretty, white, young, woman to death row.

The case would absolutely have been different if she wasn't pretty, white, and young.

This is JUST MY OPINION.

What's ironic is that people use that excuse about minoirites commiting more crimes, but yet, who are the majority of people that are serial killers?? Yep, NOT minorites.

(sorry...a bit off topic.)

[gidget529]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

They definitely didn't understand (or care to!) because one of the alternates said that he felt the right decision was made because motive was never proven. THAT IS SO FRUSTRATING TO KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS PART OF IT!!!!!! Sure, a jury likes to have a motive....to make sense of it, but technically they didn't have to in order to prove she was guilty. This was even explained to them at one point. I think that too many of jury members related too much to Casey and her life.....the case for prosecution ended before it ever even began.


*sigh*

Originally Posted by Bitsy

Right!!! By the way, did you post comments on a you tube video? Your user name reminds me of one there.

Think about this....

on Sunday the jury heard the first part of the closing statement from the prosecution, and then heard FOUR hours of the defense's closing statement. Recess for the day.

Monday the jury came in to court ALL DRESSED UP. This is before they even finished hearing from the prosecution. They also came ALL DRESSED UP on Tuesday...the day they announced their verdict.

These are jurors that always dressed casually in tennis shoes, etc...coming in wearing ties and high heels. They made up their mind about "reasonable doubt" on SUNDAY after the defense made their statement.

It feels like a series of unfortunate events. The jurors did NOT seriously rate. I don't think they even seriously listened to the prosecutions closing. They had ALREADY made up their mind.

Just wanted to add: To the jurors...SHAME ON YOU!!! You have Caylee's blood on your hands, in my opinion.

I agree - why would you not take notes on this complicated case? How can you carefully review facts, data, w/o notes?

No, I haven't commented on youtube. Poor YTer's are the only ones who get my 2 cents (other than husband and he's glad I'm sharing here so he doesn't get whole 2 cents worth)!

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

Please, I hope you guys don't take this the wrong way it's not my intention--but it's well documented that death throw is racially and ethnically biased. In other words, non-whites are put on death row at a higher rate than whites (non-hispanics) do you guys feel that may have played a role in it? And PLEASE I am not trying to offend anyone by this so please don' t take me the wrong way!

I don't think that her color affected them as much as the fact that a few of them have had their own issues with the law and there was one (possibly 2...can't remember) that dropped out of highschool like Casey. They decided early on that she was a victim within her own family so, again, Casey is not made to take responsibility....more people babying her.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by gidget529

I agree - why would you not take notes on this complicated case? How can you carefully review facts, data, w/o notes?

No, I haven't commented on youtube. Poor YTer's are the only ones who get my 2 cents (other than husband and he's glad I'm sharing here so he doesn't get whole 2 cents worth)!

There was someone with a name like gigi or something like that. We pretty much agreed on everything, so I thought maybe it was you.

Yes, my husband is glad that I can come here to vent.

And the jurors not taking notes...that is an outrage. How can they even say they took this seriously??? They should be SO ashamed.