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Old 10-14-2005, 11:13 AM   #1
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okay........ well not really fired, but it is sad all the same....
Since the begining of the school year i have been subing in a spot in the morning (monday through friday from 8-11), i knew the teacher from last year so i was familiar with her teaching style and she wanted me to work with her because i knew the routine. All was good until i get a call this morning, they have replaced me with a permanant person ... i called the teacher and she was up in arms, she couldnt believe that they did this! She wanted me to stay the whole year because
A) i know the kids
B) i know the routine and can take over teaching so she can talk to parents
C) i am the only one that can deal with this one little boy (we think he has some underlying special ed issues and he needs someone there basically as a one on one to make sure he doesnt harm himself or anyone else... as of yet the school psychologists are in denial, but that is a whole OTHER topic ) Anyways, so i am teh only one that has experience working with special ed children and is forceful enough to be able to restrain him if he has a tantrum AND i am the only one he listens too........ if any of you are familiar with special ed it is a BIG NO NO to disrupt the routine and by taking me out and puting in a stranger this child is going to FLIP OUT.
So, the only thing the teacher knows is that the woman is middle-eastern (the teacher is praying that she doesnt have an accent that the kids would find difficult to understand or that the kids will pick up her accent giving them potential speech problems later... she is also praying that it is someone that is YOUNG and not middle aged or old because a middle aged to older person would have a difficult time with the child that they will be assigned too)
One good thing: the teacher says that if it is clearly not going to work out or any of these things becomes an issue than she will raise hell to get me back... This new person will be taking over my charge of this little boy (we are instructional assistants so we are supposed to help with EVERYTHING but this little boy needs so much supervision that it is impossible to be a 'regular instructional assistant'.... the person who took over my spot is destined to be like a 'one on one' to this little boy, and he can get violent and hurt......
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I just retired from 21 years as an Instructional Assistant in Special Ed. I can so relate to your post. The Admin is usually unaware of what actually goes on in the classrooms. And there is no arguing with them, believe me...I have tried numerous times about various issues, but they don't hear you too well, as they think they know it all.....lol....how untrue that is. They might have the degree, but they certainly don't have the practical know how!

Did you try to hire on as permanent? Where in Cal are you? I am near Bakersfield.

Well, anyway, all that you can do for that kid and the rest, is PRAY for them. It's sad they did what they did. Are you trying to get another job now or what? Good luck to you.
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okay........ well not really fired, but it is sad all the same....
Since the begining of the school year i have been subing in a spot in the morning (monday through friday from 8-11), i knew the teacher from last year so i was familiar with her teaching style and she wanted me to work with her because i knew the routine. All was good until i get a call this morning, they have replaced me with a permanant person ... i called the teacher and she was up in arms, she couldnt believe that they did this! She wanted me to stay the whole year because
A) i know the kids
B) i know the routine and can take over teaching so she can talk to parents
C) i am the only one that can deal with this one little boy (we think he has some underlying special ed issues and he needs someone there basically as a one on one to make sure he doesnt harm himself or anyone else... as of yet the school psychologists are in denial, but that is a whole OTHER topic ) Anyways, so i am teh only one that has experience working with special ed children and is forceful enough to be able to restrain him if he has a tantrum AND i am the only one he listens too........ if any of you are familiar with special ed it is a BIG NO NO to disrupt the routine and by taking me out and puting in a stranger this child is going to FLIP OUT.
So, the only thing the teacher knows is that the woman is middle-eastern (the teacher is praying that she doesnt have an accent that the kids would find difficult to understand or that the kids will pick up her accent giving them potential speech problems later... she is also praying that it is someone that is YOUNG and not middle aged or old because a middle aged to older person would have a difficult time with the child that they will be assigned too)
One good thing: the teacher says that if it is clearly not going to work out or any of these things becomes an issue than she will raise hell to get me back... This new person will be taking over my charge of this little boy (we are instructional assistants so we are supposed to help with EVERYTHING but this little boy needs so much supervision that it is impossible to be a 'regular instructional assistant'.... the person who took over my spot is destined to be like a 'one on one' to this little boy, and he can get violent and hurt......

My son is in a special needs class here in GA he is high functioning autistic. Is and insturctional assistant like the para pros that we have here? They are a god send. Last year when Ethan's teacher was out on maternity leave even though they had a sub the para pros basically took over and did everything for the kids.

I'm so sorry about your job, maybe if the child's parents voice their concerns about you being the only one that can control him it might help.
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OMG you must feel so let down =(

I am sorry they don't have the understanding of special ed kids that you clearly do. I know a lot about it myself and changing the teacher all of the sudden can be really traumatic for a boy like that

For the boys sake, I hope the new teacher is as good as you and understands how to take over. For your sake I hope she isn't as good and they will get you back!
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Did you try to hire on as permanent? Where in Cal are you? I am near Bakersfield.
Are you trying to get another job now or what? Good luck to you.
It's a tricky situation..... I am a permanant person in the AFTERNOON from 12-3 with a different teacher, i allready requested to be hired on as permanant for the morning position that i had but they turned me down and said "we can not allow you to work full time hours or we would have to give you free benefits" so, as a substitute i was obligated to count my days and do 19 mornings on and one morning off... again, i said i would wave the benefits (i have benefits through my mom....) but they said that was not an option. It was really within their interests to leave me be in that position for as long as i wanted it because i could work moday-friday mornings, and as a substitute they did not have to pay me sick time, vacation time, or holiday pay. (so essentialy they would be saving money, and i am a reliable person so i would be at work everyday... i hardly ever call in sick)
I work with the capo unified school district, i worked in san juan (for morning) and i work in aliso viejo (afternoon).... there really is no other jobs to be had, i allready requested another long term sub postition but they didnt have any available... my only option is to take sub jobs as they come in
The whole situation is delicate because it has to do with so many other factors...... i allready called the teacher and she said that if it didnt work out with this other lady she would raise bloody hell to get me back because i am such an asset to her.......
I am of the opinion that this child is high functioning autistic, HOWEVER i cant legally make a diagnosis because i am not qualified to do so.. i have worked with these type of kids before and he has several "characteristics" that autistic kids would have.... and if it isnt that it is deffinatly SOMETHING, the problem comes in that he is so SMART. He knows his alphabet, numbers, if you give him a nonsense word he will be able to deduce what letter the word starts with, he was able to recognize everyones written name by the first week, he knows how to sighn the alphabet and numbers up until 28, he can associate letters (such as E as in egg, D as in drum, ect...) Parents have a choice as to wether or not they want their child assesed, i dont think that these parents will stand up and say "we want amanda back" because they are low income and they are just happy to have a place to stick this child so they can work and make money, ...... the whole situation is pretty sad, surprisingly though, i dont feel as bad for myself as i do for the teacher who is going to have to deal with a new aid and saul
As for me, it is a blessing in disguise really, i have tests coming up next week and need some time to study, and i was getting really burnt out because i worked full time during the day, went to school full time at night, and then every other ounce of free time i spent studying .... im not worried about it though, i honestly dont think that this new aid will last long when she realizes that she has to tail this child for the whole day (especially if he has a day like last wendnesday.... i still have bruises all over my legs )
I was mad at first, yes, because i was comfortable there and it was "mine", but once i took a step back and thought about it i began to feel differently. This has been an opportunity to see how much of an asset i am in the classroom (due to the teachers anger about the new situation) and i can go back to working with a variety of teachers........ besides..... i think if i get too bored or dont have that much to do in the morning as far as work goes, i will go back and volunteer in the classroom
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Ahh You must feel so bad. Im sorry.
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Well, good luck to you. Out of bad or weird things, something good and/or different usually comes with it. So......
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LMAO......... my fiance is taking it more personally than i am , hes just worried about the loss of income, but hey, we have managed before, its just that our lives wont be so "cushy" for a while some people have it worse than i do, so i am just thankful for what i DO have
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I work in a school now as the principal's secretary. We have many (what we call) ESE classes. (Exceptional Student Education) It is very unfortunate that they pulled you and I know you are 100% right about the children getting into and staying in a routine. But our district office insists that if we have an opening, it is better to fill it with a certified teacher than someone who has a bond with these children. It is sad to think that these students will be very lost for a long time after you had to leave them. Maybe you can ask if you can work with the new teacher for a few weeks, so the students can get use to her.
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I work in a school now as the principal's secretary. We have many (what we call) ESE classes. (Exceptional Student Education) It is very unfortunate that they pulled you and I know you are 100% right about the children getting into and staying in a routine. But our district office insists that if we have an opening, it is better to fill it with a certified teacher than someone who has a bond with these children. It is sad to think that these students will be very lost for a long time after you had to leave them. Maybe you can ask if you can work with the new teacher for a few weeks, so the students can get use to her.
It isnt a teaching position....... i was an instructional assistant, i agree that they probably thought it was better to fill the position with a permanant person, but as far as certification goes..... she has NO qualifications... she has no ECE units, she has never worked in a school.... i am certified to be a pre-k Teacher (not just an instructional assistant) but i am going for my regular elementary education credential..... so in terms of qualifications, i have way more than she does, BUT, she can have the permanant status and i cant (even though i could stay there permanantly since i dont have anything to do in the morning).....
this is a WHOLE OTHER ISSUE though, they have done this to me before (with the same teacher last year) and the person that took over lasted 3 days (she just walked out... didnt tell the teacher, the office, NO ONE), they wanted her because she could go permanant but she ovbiously wasnt the better choice because it was too much for her. . . THey need people so badly that they are hireing everyone that they can and not looking into what kind of 'qualifications' that they have... last i checked they had 21 open instructional assistant positions and they have filled all of those by this monday, i would estimate that about two thirds of those people that they just hired will quite within a few weeks... some people just cant take the stress and constant needs/changes that are in an everyday classroom... the problem comes in when they are so busy looking for someone (anyone really) to fill the positions they dont look at "what they are made of, what background they come from" ect.... My story happens so often in the district, and i can predict what will happen next because it happened last time: this woman that they got (with no experience) comes into the classroom expecting to play with kids and get paid, unfortunatly in this case she will be looking after a (sometimes violent) child who will need from time to time to be restrained (most people are not comfortable with this)... she will see that it is not what she expected and move on, and in the meantime they took a perfectly good person out of that position so that someone else (with permanant status) can come in for a week or two and tehn quit....
I agree with your observation on some sort of "credentialing", they shoudl make it MANDATORY to have youre ECE units (i think our district is nine) done, our district hires with no ece units and asks if you are going to complete some and then they never check again. They should make it so that the ECE units have to be COMPLETED
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Well then I don't have a clue as to what your school is doing???? Why can't they just give you the position as a permanent job??? You sound like you want it, and you know the kids and if they hired the other person without certification then they can hire you! Did you ever apply for it?
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Well then I don't have a clue as to what your school is doing???? Why can't they just give you the position as a permanent job??? You sound like you want it, and you know the kids and if they hired the other person without certification then they can hire you! Did you ever apply for it?
they wouldnt hire me as permanant because i allready have a permanant position in the afternoon doing basically the same thing. . . if i got hired on as both permanant in the afternoon and the morning then i would have to get free benefits, and they dont want to do that. . .
It was funny the way it turned out though, my child development office DID NOT know about it at all... the woman came into the office and that is how they found out . . . personel had hired her without even consulting the child developmet office in charge of preschool. . . Both my bosses at child development were prepared to have me there for the rest the year because i was reliable, ect.... I dont know what in the world they are doing either, my fiance is really upset and says that my birthday now has to be "cheap" which i understand but still....... i am passed being shocked and upset, now i am moving on to anger "what the hell are they doing?" is running through my mind a lot lately, because i really believe that they dont know what they are doing. The politics of the situation goes in so many directions i dont know who to yell at
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Well its just terrible. We hired people full time if we have the allocation, benefits or not, Who cares. If we have the opening we would rather hire someone that is reliable than someone who we don't know. Any how Good luck, I hope they open their eyes!! And realize what they have right in front of them.
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