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grayxie · 09-25-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by alex_143

i wanted to breed her in the future

Well not having papers, would be a major problem in breeding pure bred yorkies especially since your buyers would like paper work also. Have you considered breeding her for mixed breed pups? Overall lesson learned, its frustrating but you still have your little girl. If I followed your post correctly you are now a young gal at 19, so you still have a whole lifetime to fill with more yorkies

alex_143 · 09-25-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MorkieAZ

So you think because your baby is between 6 and 7 lbs. that she is not purebred????

no i know she is a purebreed but everyone else doesnt think she is because of her weight im the type of person that has to prove people wrong so im like a mad woman trying to get her papers i really need her parents to be registered

alex_143 · 09-25-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by grayxie

Well not having papers, would be a major problem in breeding pure bred yorkies especially since your buyers would like paper work also. Have you considered breeding her for mixed breed pups? Overall lesson learned, its frustrating but you still have your little girl. If I followed your post correctly you are now a young gal at 19, so you still have a whole lifetime to fill with more yorkies

people have told me to breed mixes but i am sooo passionate about yorkies and improving the breed there really the only breed of dog i like no love!!! so i am soo devistated i plan on owning 4 more yorkies in the future but for now i'll just stay with my coco im so fustrated with my breeder cause what she did was false advertise she had garenteed akc papers and when i got my baby low and behold no papers

MorkieAZ · 09-25-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alex_143

people have told me to breed mixes but i am sooo passionate about yorkies and improving the breed there really the only breed of dog i like no love!!! so i am soo devistated i plan on owning 4 more yorkies in the future but for now i'll just stay with my coco im so fustrated with my breeder cause what she did was false advertise she had garenteed akc papers and when i got my baby low and behold no papers

This was written in the sales contract?

dbeach · 09-25-2007, 10:43 AM

If you had a contract for AKC paperwork, take the breeder to court. You could at least recoup some of the money you paid her...

When I sold my puppies I made sure the new owners had the AKC paperwork in their hands whether the pups were to be registered as "pet quality" or "full registration". They were also given a copy of the litter registration, which showed the registration numbers of the sire and dam and well as some of the ancestry.

This may be a hard lesson learned, but does teach others who read your post what to look out for when buying an AKC registered yorkie puppy.

PS..You could also contact the AKC, via their website and let them know what happened. Just a thought as I don't think they can help much.

Debbie
Tea' +6

alex_143 · 09-25-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MorkieAZ

This was written in the sales contract?

yup that all her pups come with akc papers i have told her that if she cant come up with my babies papers i will sue her and she got scared and fessed up that her parents arent registered thats why i posted to see if the eden breeder and the other one could still register the adult dogs that way i can register my baby but she lied plain and simple and thought she would get away with it but she was wrong i may only be 18 going on 19 but i will do all my research and sue her

MorkieAZ · 09-25-2007, 10:55 AM

Good for you! That breeder needs to be stopped in her tracks. You may just scare her enough into giving you back some of your investment. You have the contract which is proof so you should have no problems taking her to court. Keep us updated.

MIZBROWN · 09-25-2007, 10:57 AM

As another posted, I think someone lied to you. And if you purchased a pup, that someone said was AKC - the registration should have been one of the first things exchanged... Its important and a lot of prices are based upon that....

alex_143 · 09-25-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MIZBROWN

As another posted, I think someone lied to you. And if you purchased a pup, that someone said was AKC - the registration should have been one of the first things exchanged... Its important and a lot of prices are based upon that....

yup prices are based on that she charged me more for the papers i got vet records history and info about yorkies some nutrical umm but that was it and i started to freak cause i thought the papers had gotten lost i email her for months with no response until i let her noe that if i didnt hear from her i would sue and i got a response that same day i feel bad about sueing but she deserves it for lieing to me and charging me more and scaming our fellow members on here for money and never deleivering i think the only reason i got my baby was cause i would get down right loud with her and put her in her place when she would come at me with an excuse so she had no choice but to send me my pup from texas to california so i guess im going to be down right mean to get her papers and if that fails sue and get my money back wow!!!

Tammyh · 09-25-2007, 11:28 AM

I'm so sorry she decieved you. I can't imagine how some people find it so easy to lie. Since Coco's parents aren't registered I don't see how you'll be able to register Coco. I would definitely demand some money back since you paid extra for a registered dog. Hopefully you can get it without going to court. We were given the AKC registration papers at the time we picked up our puppies with every dog we've had so in the future I would make sure you get those at the time you pick up the pup. Good luck with everything and just try to concentrate on how much joy Coco brings you. And forget about the rude people who try to tell you she's not a purebred. What's up with that?

Kiwiglaze · 09-25-2007, 02:13 PM

It doesn't sound like you will be able to get your baby registered.

Sorry! If I were you I would be demanding at least a partial refund from your breeder since she did not deliver the papers you were promised. You can't get full AKC registration unless your breeder has the parents and the litter registered. You can get that individual registration thing through AKC, but it is only so your dog can take part in agility and such, it is not any good for regular dog showing or breeding purposes.

grayxie · 09-25-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alex_143

people have told me to breed mixes but i am sooo passionate about yorkies and improving the breed there really the only breed of dog i like no love!!!

In regards to Coco, since you don't have the paper work you don't really know her breed line and history. A reputable pure breeder would look for that, so they can ensure top dollar for the puppies. Again, MHO if you decide to breed Coco is to do a mixed breed. Not to make Coco sound like a money machine, but with the money you make from the mixed puppies you can get another yorkie with legit paperwork to do a pure line.

tegamom1 · 09-25-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by grayxie

In regards to Coco, since you don't have the paper work you don't really know her breed line and history. A reputable pure breeder would look for that, so they can ensure top dollar for the puppies. Again, MHO if you decide to breed Coco is to do a mixed breed. Not to make Coco sound like a money machine, but with the money you make from the mixed puppies you can get another yorkie with legit paperwork to do a pure line.

Alex, I am so sorry you have had this happen to you. Yes, I would at least make her think you were going to bring a law suit against her. She might possibly refund some of your money. Law suits are expensive and it might wind up costing you more in the long run. (Just something to consider..)

The standard for Yorkies is 7lb and under but there are many pure bred Yorkies that are over so don't be concerned about what anyone says. Continue to love your baby and have her spayed. Please don't even consider breeding mixes! Do you research and learn all you can and save your money (again) for a registered (papers in hand) Yorkie. Continue here on YT. learning and listening to the respected, reputable breeder/exhibitors. You can learn a lot from them and they are always willing to help. Who knows, you might even want to show later on, but even if you don't, I'm sure from what you have said, you want to be a responsible Yorkie owner and someday, breeder. Good luck to you.

grayxie · 09-25-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

Please don't even consider breeding mixes!

It was just a suggestion, otherwise buyers may end up in the situation she is in now with no papers but wants them. Coco is still fabulous no matter what anyways.

Mardelin · 09-26-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by alex_143

yup prices are based on that she charged me more for the papers i got vet records history and info about yorkies some nutrical umm but that was it and i started to freak cause i thought the papers had gotten lost i email her for months with no response until i let her noe that if i didnt hear from her i would sue and i got a response that same day i feel bad about sueing but she deserves it for lieing to me and charging me more and scaming our fellow members on here for money and never deleivering i think the only reason i got my baby was cause i would get down right loud with her and put her in her place when she would come at me with an excuse so she had no choice but to send me my pup from texas to california so i guess im going to be down right mean to get her papers and if that fails sue and get my money back wow!!!

Alex,

Let me begin with telling you that you have every right to be upset that you were dupped. You've come across a disreputable breeder.

Second let me go on to tell you AKC papers only prove that both your dog's parents were registered, it doesn't prove that that your dog is pure bred (most likely she is). There is no test out to date that proves that there wasn't some hanky panky in the wood pile way back in her pedigree. Anyway not having papers is in your eyes very important. If you don't have a signed contract that the breeder would provide you AKC papers you're pretty much hosed. If you do....don't let the breeder get away with it. If you plan to breed your female, and sell puppies, then you'll probably have to sell them for less. As far as your female being 6-7 pounds.....how wonderful. It's the weight range I prefer my breeding females to be. But, what is more important is they are a great representation of the breed, that I know their pedigree, that they come from a line of free whelpers.

In closing.....good for you, stand by your convictions of breeding pure bred yorkies.....good luck to you.

Mary

09-25-2007, 10:57 AM	#23
MIZBROWN Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California Posts: 2,293	As another posted, I think someone lied to you. And if you purchased a pup, that someone said was AKC - the registration should have been one of the first things exchanged... Its important and a lot of prices are based upon that.... __________________ Mommy to Meka "MeMe" Brown aka Meka the Diva Member of the Spoiled Rotten Club & CA Yorkies www.dogster.com/dogs/567943

09-25-2007, 11:28 AM	#25
Tammyh YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 399	I'm so sorry she decieved you. I can't imagine how some people find it so easy to lie. Since Coco's parents aren't registered I don't see how you'll be able to register Coco. I would definitely demand some money back since you paid extra for a registered dog. Hopefully you can get it without going to court. We were given the AKC registration papers at the time we picked up our puppies with every dog we've had so in the future I would make sure you get those at the time you pick up the pup. Good luck with everything and just try to concentrate on how much joy Coco brings you. And forget about the rude people who try to tell you she's not a purebred. What's up with that? __________________ Bella & Lucee's Momma

09-25-2007, 02:13 PM	#26
Kiwiglaze Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 179	It doesn't sound like you will be able to get your baby registered. Sorry! If I were you I would be demanding at least a partial refund from your breeder since she did not deliver the papers you were promised. You can't get full AKC registration unless your breeder has the parents and the litter registered. You can get that individual registration thing through AKC, but it is only so your dog can take part in agility and such, it is not any good for regular dog showing or breeding purposes. __________________ Proud mom of Kiwi! ...and a new Biewer on the way!

09-25-2007, 10:43 AM	#20
dbeach Donating YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 331	If you had a contract for AKC paperwork, take the breeder to court. You could at least recoup some of the money you paid her... When I sold my puppies I made sure the new owners had the AKC paperwork in their hands whether the pups were to be registered as "pet quality" or "full registration". They were also given a copy of the litter registration, which showed the registration numbers of the sire and dam and well as some of the ancestry. This may be a hard lesson learned, but does teach others who read your post what to look out for when buying an AKC registered yorkie puppy. PS..You could also contact the AKC, via their website and let them know what happened. Just a thought as I don't think they can help much. Debbie Tea' +6

09-25-2007, 10:55 AM	#22
MorkieAZ Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,276	Good for you! That breeder needs to be stopped in her tracks. You may just scare her enough into giving you back some of your investment. You have the contract which is proof so you should have no problems taking her to court. Keep us updated.