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Amber_lv 09-20-2007 04:54 PM
I also want to add that show breeders get a bad rep for being harsh and mean and it may be true in some cases but i have really seen a change here on YT and there have been a lot of show breeders and breeders in genreal trying to help educate people and for that i think it makes you all great and a knotch above the rest so thank you all... I have learned a lot on this thread as well as others i love the aspect of showing i think it is amazing to see all these beautiful dogs!

Sugar's Mom 09-20-2007 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1383034)
In my opinion, people only get defensive when they're doubting themselves. I mean, if you know without a doubt that you are doing the right thing, you feel good and secure about that and nothing anyone can say can make you doubt yourself. But when someone has even a smidge of doubt (even if they aren't necessarily aware of it)..that's when they start to get defensive. Or at least that's how I am anyway and what I've noticed about people I've been around anyway. I think threads like this are very educational. There was one that someone started about chocolates recently and at first it was a little heated but then it turned out to be very educational - with lots of info about colors, the standard, well-known breeders, etc.
You know exactly why I got defensive with you before you started backtracking and trying to explain away the things you said. and I am not going to rehash last nights mess anymore.

Mardelin 09-20-2007 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1383078)
As long as you breed to better the breed and aren't breeding pet quality to pet quality and have done all the necessary testing, pedigree studies then I see nothing wrong but it's hard to get a good show quality dog from a reputable breeder or should I say a show breeder if you do not plan to show. But if you stay with the standard and stay ethical then I see no problem. I would still like to see breeders show because showing of course is my passion. LOL
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
Donna,

I like you prefer the showing over the breeding....Whelping a litter is not my favorite thing to do, I just hate the possibility of something going wrong.

Since showing I've learned more about the breed, than having my nose in a book studying and attending classes........The standard only explains so much, it doesn't explain, correct lay back, correct gait, single tracking, correct undercarriage, rear angulation......how to spot a yorkie that is to close in the rear, or wide in the front......

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Amber_lv (Post 1383095)
I also want to add that show breeders get a bad rep for being harsh and mean and it may be true in some cases but i have really seen a change here on YT and there have been a lot of show breeders and breeders in genreal trying to help educate people and for that i think it makes you all great and a knotch above the rest so thank you all... I have learned a lot on this thread as well as others i love the aspect of showing i think it is amazing to see all these beautiful dogs!

You know to be honest here, I have to bite my tongue alot and remember that some you just can't educate but I love seeing those that want to learn learn. The post I entered just before this one was nice about hobby breeders but in reality and this is just me I would prefer if you breed showing and knowing the breed standard and breeding to better the breed goes together.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1383104)
Donna,

I like you prefer the showing over the breeding....Whelping a litter is not my favorite thing to do, I just hate the possibility of something going wrong.

Since showing I've learned more about the breed, than having my nose in a book studying and attending classes........The standard only explains so much, it doesn't explain, correct lay back, correct gait, single tracking, correct undercarriage, rear angulation......how to spot a yorkie that is to close in the rear, or wide in the front......

If I could just wiggle my nose for a show puppy that's what I'd do LOL. Whelping is not my fav either and showing does so much more in knowing what is wrong and right with a dog!
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

CO_yorkie_momma 09-20-2007 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Amber_lv (Post 1383082)
That is a great answer!:thumbup: I must say out of everyone i truely respect your opinion you don't come down harshly on others and i have noticed you are always trying to help others even though it might not be what you believe. I truley am amazed how gracious you have been to alot of YT members who have been in trouble in "accident situations" and you have helped them out.
I agree with you Amber. I like the way Mardelin educates without talking down to people or preaching to them. She explains what her experience has been and how she does it and leaves it up to you whether you decide to learn from it or not. I have learned alot from her and respect what she has to say for that reason.

MyFairLacy 09-20-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1383099)
You know exactly why I got defensive with you before you started backtracking and trying to explain away the things you said. and I am not going to rehash last nights mess anymore.
I think I just stated why I believe people get defensive. Also, I never backtracked what I said. You sure do like to twist and interpret words a lot don't you? All I did was further explain exactly what I meant because some people weren't getting it.

MyFairLacy 09-20-2007 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1383104)
Donna,

I like you prefer the showing over the breeding....Whelping a litter is not my favorite thing to do, I just hate the possibility of something going wrong.

Since showing I've learned more about the breed, than having my nose in a book studying and attending classes........The standard only explains so much, it doesn't explain, correct lay back, correct gait, single tracking, correct undercarriage, rear angulation......how to spot a yorkie that is to close in the rear, or wide in the front......
Is there much purpose in showing without breeding? I'm just wondering because showing does fascinate me and I am interested in it, but I'm not so much interested in breeding. I mean puppies are cute and fun, but they're so much work and finding the right homes with people you trust can probably be a nightmare at times. I know showing and breeding normally go hand in hand because you're breeding for your next show dog and showing to make sure it's the best and then breeding for more great dogs. I've just always thought it would be fun to have one or two dogs to show, but I just don't really want to breed

CO_yorkie_momma 09-20-2007 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1383034)
In my opinion, people only get defensive when they're doubting themselves. I mean, if you know without a doubt that you are doing the right thing, you feel good and secure about that and nothing anyone can say can make you doubt yourself. But when someone has even a smidge of doubt (even if they aren't necessarily aware of it)..that's when they start to get defensive. Or at least that's how I am anyway and what I've noticed about people I've been around anyway. I think threads like this are very educational. There was one that someone started about chocolates recently and at first it was a little heated but then it turned out to be very educational - with lots of info about colors, the standard, well-known breeders, etc.
In my opinion this is just the type of crap that turns educational threads into heated arguements. There was no need to post this. Lets try and keep it educational and like Sugars mom stated, you have a lot of good information to share but crap like this just makes what you say fall on deaf ears after awhile.

crystalsmom 09-20-2007 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1383113)
If I could just wiggle my nose for a show puppy that's what I'd do LOL. Whelping is not my fav either and showing does so much more in knowing what is wrong and right with a dog!
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
Wouldn't that be grand:) What I love about you Brooklynn is the way you handle the shows. You don't blame others or judges for your loss when it is a loss but what was your saying " Just another day at an akc show":)

I bet you will be one of the greats.:aimeeyork

mistyinca 09-20-2007 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kelsie123186 (Post 1381148)
so basically based on the majority of posters i am just SOL if I want to coincider breeding? I mean, this is what I am gathering from the posts...
1.If I want to breed I should not do it unless I get a show quality yorkie
2.Show breeders keep their show quality pups for themselves....
Im not trying to be rude but i really dont get it... I would really like to hear how the breeders (that believe you should only breed show quality yorkies) got into breeding/showing... I mean, like someone else said... its really like you are in between a rock and a hard place.... I dunno... like i said, i would really like to hear how the people that only breed show quality got into it all in the first place.
You have to first start going to shows, and start talking to the show breeders. Then, if you find one that seems especially receptive and responsive to your questions, ask if he/she will mentor you. You might be able to co-own a dog sometime down the road if they see that you really are serious and into it, rather than just trying to get your hands on a good dog to breed.

diggy4 09-20-2007 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1383117)
I agree with you Amber. I like the way Mardelin educates without talking down to people or preaching to them. She explains what her experience has been and how she does it and leaves it up to you whether you decide to learn from it or not. I have learned alot from her and respect what she has to say for that reason.
I agree!! I have been approached with many condescending tones and have read a few in this thread too ;) and some are so kind and nice and very educating....GOOD POST!

Mardelin 09-20-2007 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1383136)
Is there much purpose in showing without breeding? I'm just wondering because showing does fascinate me and I am interested in it, but I'm not so much interested in breeding. I mean puppies are cute and fun, but they're so much work and finding the right homes with people you trust can probably be a nightmare at times. I know showing and breeding normally go hand in hand because you're breeding for your next show dog and showing to make sure it's the best and then breeding for more great dogs. I've just always thought it would be fun to have one or two dogs to show, but I just don't really want to breed

OK, here's the thing......I love showing, it's a passion. But, in order to get show dogs you have to breed, that is unless you have unlimited funds to keep on buying those show dogs. And then there is those very strict contracts that go along with each show dog. Then there is that bit of ego that comes into play when you breed your first home bred Champion. Believe me there is nothing like that feeling you get when you begin winning from the Bred By Exhibitor Class.

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 1383139)
Wouldn't that be grand:) What I love about you Brooklynn is the way you handle the shows. You don't blame others or judges for your loss when it is a loss but what was your saying " Just another day at an akc show":)

I bet you will be one of the greats.:aimeeyork

Nothing you can do about it LOL...just another day at the dog show! All the complaining will fall on deaf ears anyway and it's over and done with! I know my dog is the one I want to take home with me anyway! LOL Not to say I don't get pissed at the shows but ka sa ra sa ra LOL

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

diggy4 09-20-2007 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1383156)
Nothing you can do about it LOL...just another day at the dog show! All the complaining will fall on deaf ears anyway and it's over and done with! I know my dog is the one I want to take home with me anyway! LOL Not to say I don't get pissed at the shows but ka sa ra sa ra LOL

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
IMO your another one that posts kindly and get the point across in an educational way! thanks for your posts also!

Mardelin 09-20-2007 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1383156)
Nothing you can do about it LOL...just another day at the dog show! All the complaining will fall on deaf ears anyway and it's over and done with! I know my dog is the one I want to take home with me anyway! LOL Not to say I don't get pissed at the shows but ka sa ra sa ra LOL

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
If people only knew that the competition stops when you walk out of the ring. In the evening we all go out shopping, site seeing and dinner together.

Then there is the anger you feel when you get beat by an obviously inferior dog....that you hold in until you are in the car or in your hotel room.

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1383152)
OK, here's the thing......I love showing, it's a passion. But, in order to get show dogs you have to breed, that is unless you have unlimited funds to keep on buying those show dogs. And then there is those very strict contracts that go along with each show dog. Then there is that bit of ego that comes into play when you breed your first home bred Champion. Believe me there is nothing like that feeling you get when you begin winning from the Bred By Exhibitor Class.
OMG I remember when some got hot under the collar for winning in the bred by class because they think the open dog or bitch should win every time LOL LOL LOL

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1383166)
If people only knew that the competition stops when you walk out of the ring. In the evening we all go out shopping, site seeing and dinner together.

Then there is the anger you feel when you get beat by an obviously inferior dog....that you hold in until you are in the car or in your hotel room.
Ain't that the truth! LOL

Donna

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 1383165)
IMO your another one that posts kindly and get the point across in an educational way! thanks for your posts also!
You know...my favorite thing to say is you can attract more with honey than you can with vingar :)

Thanks for the compliment :)
Donna

mistyinca 09-20-2007 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber_lv (Post 1383095)
I also want to add that show breeders get a bad rep for being harsh and mean and it may be true in some cases but i have really seen a change here on YT and there have been a lot of show breeders and breeders in genreal trying to help educate people and for that i think it makes you all great and a knotch above the rest so thank you all... I have learned a lot on this thread as well as others i love the aspect of showing i think it is amazing to see all these beautiful dogs!
I have met a couple of show breeders, some here on YT, and some at the last show I attended, and I have never encountered any harsh or meanness. Each one of them I have spoken to, briefly and at length have actually been very, very helpful and forthcoming with information.:thumbup:

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:35 PM
In my opinion show breeders work hard at what they do to try and improve the breed we all love so much and if sometimes we get passionate about it in the way we express our feelings don't take it as being a hard butt. There is alot of blood sweat and tears that go into breeding that great speciman you want to take in the ring and to see our breed or any other breed respresented less than the best is not taken lightly! Show breeders are very passionate and we think everyone else should be also. As with human children you expect the best for them and show breeders are the same with their breedings!

JMHO

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

kelsie123186 09-20-2007 05:45 PM
all this talk about showing is getting me anxious to find a show in my area to go to and start taking notes! I am excited! Hehe....

diggy4 09-20-2007 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1383196)
In my opinion show breeders work hard at what they do to try and improve the breed we all love so much and if sometimes we get passionate about it in the way we express our feelings don't take it as being a hard butt. There is alot of blood sweat and tears that go into breeding that great speciman you want to take in the ring and to see our breed or any other breed respresented less than the best is not taken lightly! Show breeders are very passionate and we think everyone else should be also. As with human children you expect the best for them and show breeders are the same with their breedings!

JMHO

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
See yet another good post now THAT I understand....I can get very defensive of my kids...Thats my job...If I dont protect then who will?? ya kinda lose it for a second lol It upsets me when those that dont breed STILL jump on ya about stuff they have read in a book or off a website as we all know there is no manual on raising kids...I am understanding from the way you put it, it's along those same lines you just dont get it unless you do it and really get your hands in it. Thanks Donnna.

diggy4 09-20-2007 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelsie123186 (Post 1383224)
all this talk about showing is getting me anxious to find a show in my area to go to and start taking notes! I am excited! Hehe....
I hope you find a show and learn what you need to learn! And Im kinda hopin you share it with us!! :p

MyFairLacy 09-20-2007 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelsie123186 (Post 1383224)
all this talk about showing is getting me anxious to find a show in my area to go to and start taking notes! I am excited! Hehe....
Shows are so much fun! Amazing dogs to watch and lots of vendors to shop from! Take money...:D

Mardelin 09-20-2007 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1383174)
You know...my favorite thing to say is you can attract more with honey than you can with vingar :)

Thanks for the compliment :)
Donna
A couple of other sayings. If you alienate you can't educate. If you lose your cool, you've lost the battle. Always remember where you came from. Be careful on how you treat people on your way up, because they maybe the same people you'll meet on the way down. Always Give Back.

Oops! One more. Never Let Them See You Sweat

Brooklynn 09-20-2007 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 1383226)
See yet another good post now THAT I understand....I can get very defensive of my kids...Thats my job...If I dont protect then who will?? ya kinda lose it for a second lol It upsets me when those that dont breed STILL jump on ya about stuff they have read in a book or off a website as we all know there is no manual on raising kids...I am understanding from the way you put it, it's along those same lines you just dont get it unless you do it and really get your hands in it. Thanks Donnna.

Showing and breeding go hand in hand to represent the breed to it's fullist whether it be yorkies or any other breed. To understand why a show breeder gets alittle testy is because some think it's easy just to breed and that's it. To understand the breed you have to know the standard and to know the standard showing a dog really helps you understand why the standard is there. Then you have health issues and a show breeder wants to make sure their breedings are free of the health issues to be able to show and breed the best of the best. It takes alot to breed dogs and to know it is too get in there and do whatever it takes to achieve it. Showing is part of it! Again JMHO! :)
Donna

kelsie123186 09-20-2007 05:56 PM
...kk... Im looking on the info dog website you guys suggested but i need some help here... If it says for example:silky terrier club or golden retriever club ect. Then it is ONLY that breed that will be shown there? And if it says something like "san gabriel valley kennel club" then there will be all different types of breeds??? Also, the what does it mean when it says "closing" is that the last day you can register if you wanted to enter your dog??? I know these probably seem like really stupid questions but this is all so new to me... hehe....

CO_yorkie_momma 09-20-2007 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1383245)
A couple of other sayings. If you alienate you can't educate. If you lose your cool, you've lost the battle. Always remember where you came from. Be careful on how you treat people on your way up, because they maybe the same people you'll meet on the way down. Always Give Back.

Oops! One more. Never Let Them See You Sweat
:notworthy :goodpost:

kelsie123186 09-20-2007 05:58 PM
o yeah.. and what "type" do i need to look for....


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