Sweety Blue is a wonderful site but, focuses on the European shows and dogs. The big show they attend in the US is the YTCA National and Westminster held in February.

True but I love looking at all of the beautiful dogs and seeing what is winning in the other countries too. I like seeing what breeders are considered the top 20 and which dogs have the most points. I love that site. Makes me really want to get into the showing end even more.

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That is the post I have been waiting for... :bravo:

That last sentence I don't quite understand? Certainly there are plenty of times that you do have pet quality that is being spayed and neutered. Just because it comes from a good or great line doesn't mean every dog will be
one you would breed. I may have misunderstood.

Yeah...? Still, she never said you HAVE to show. I guess it is all up to how you choose to interpret it and what you want to make it out to be. I saw nothing wrong with that statement. I personally consider 'show quality dog' to mean a dog that is a great representation of the breed that meets the standards better than the average--that can be done without actuallly setting foot in the ring. I take pet quality to mean dogs that don't meet the standard and are just that...pet quality...are you saying they should be bred?:confused: Again, guess it just depends on how you are choosing to interpret the use of the term 'show dog.' Would it be better to say 'excellent representation that meets the AKC defined standard?'

She said: "The majority of breeders, including those on YT, are not show-breeders...that is why there are so many yorkies out there that do not meet the yorkie standard." which later was corrected by "I did say that if the dog isn't shown, it should at least be evaluated by a show breeder or judge. Obviously not everyone is going to be interested in showing, but the dog should at least be evaluated to meet the standard. I never said anything about her having to show the dog anyway. I said the dog should be show-quality (ie. would do well in the show ring IF shown)." There were a few more iffy comments that were thrown out there...

The offensive part is "The majority of breeders, including those on YT, are not show-breeders...that is why there are so many yorkies out there that do not meet the yorkie standard."

I believe what Sugar's Mom is saying and I agree, that yes, there are breeders who do not breed to the standard (and they should not breed) but then there are breeders who do follow standard and choose not to show. That does not mean their breeding stock is not show quality or does not conform to the breed standard. If it was not a direct attack at people who don't show and still breed, then at the very least it was a careless use of words (in that phrase). I believe she went on to better explain her beliefs and it's all good...

I agree it would be great to go to shows, get a mentour and learn the inside and outs from the best but that is not as easy done as said. I myself am very interested in showing in th enear future. I am curently working toward learning as much as I can as I know Sugar's Mom is as well and I respect her and her breeding program. :p

You are right, she went on to better explain herself, so why is it still an issue? I think we are all guilty of poorly choosing our words at some point or another. She explained what she meant and I don't think anyone had a problem with that, just maybe the way she presented it.... And yes, I believe the majority here are in agreement with the points you made above...didn't see where that was questioned...

yorkshire terrier magazine
 

Most of the breeders I know that put adds in the yorkshire terrier magazine sell their pups on limited/spay/neuter contracts. If you want a show prospect, it is co-owned and with a breeding/show contract. Lynn

Very strict pet and/or show contracts.

AMEN.

I was going to say the same but I have lost interest in people who care less about learning anything. My Fair Lacy taught all on this thread alot and so her words got a little fumbled. :( Everyone has their right to an opinion but after it has been explained over and over it get alittle much!!!!!!!!!!

My last litter of 3; 2 boys and 1 girl. The girl is what I had my heart set on, but her bite went off, so I petted her out. The 2 boys were both show quality, but I didn't need them since I still have their sire. One went to a show home, the other, though a beautiful speciman of the breed, went to a pet home, finding them the best homes possible is my primary objective.

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Thanks Mardelin, I understand now. That's how I got my Champion 10 yrs ago from someone who knew I would give her a good home. She was 3 yrs old at the time. I have been studying the breed for over 10 yrs and love to keep up with things. At one point I wanted to breed but decided if I couldn't do it right I would be better off doing something else.

I love the breed though and know people like you and others like Yorkie Rose help our breed immensily. Joan

What bothers me most on these threads, is not other's breeding programs. To each their own.....but, that they become so defensive, instead of educational. Once the defensive and justification attitudes become combative the thread loses it's usefullness.

After reading today's posts, I wanted to add this: When show quality dogs are being bred, usually all puppies produced are great specimans of the breed. The ones placed in pet homes normally just have a couple flaws or as Mardelin said - doesn't have that "It" factor that they want to keep in their breeding program. For instance, my cat had one flaw - her nose was a little too long - so her breeder placed her in a pet home. That didn't mean she wasn't a good represantation of the breed, because she is..it meant she had a flaw that kept her from being the "best of the best". The "Pet-Quality" puppies born to two show-quality dogs will almost always be better specimans than the Pet-quality puppies born to two Pet-quality dogs. Those who breed show-quality dogs are bettering the breed because they are breeding the best of the best in attempts to get the best puppies they can. So they are continuously producing excellent puppies. Those that deviate from the standard are spay and neutered so that they aren't bred, because if you breed those two dogs with a few faults, you'll most likely get puppies with a few more faults. And then those puppies are bred and you'll get puppies with even more faults. Eventually you have puppies that are so far from standard that they don't look like yorkies anymore.

Well, what bothers me on most of these threads and why I become defensive is when I see people saying that only show people should be breeding and the rest of us know nothing when I have put hundreds of hours in on studying and making sure I have nice dogs. And Mary, you know it's been said. Maybe not in those exact words but it has been said many times. i honestly have had no interest at all in showing until I got this pretty little girl I am going to try to show (if my money holds out). I just kind of feel like the good ones, like I try to be, and the bad ones, like I have seen often, are all lumped together when these blanket statements are made.

Glad I could clarify myself to you.

I just love this breed.

Mary

That has never come from me. What I have said is I have respect for all breeders that are doing it correctly........

Again, I will say defensive attitudes defeat the thread from being educational. Discussions should be objective, noncombative with the soul purpose of educating.

I couldn't agree more. The way I see it if you get defensive then that defeats the purpose of it staying educational. With a thread like this defensiveness to me means something isn't kosher JMO don't throw a shoe at me LOL

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

In my opinion, people only get defensive when they're doubting themselves. I mean, if you know without a doubt that you are doing the right thing, you feel good and secure about that and nothing anyone can say can make you doubt yourself. But when someone has even a smidge of doubt (even if they aren't necessarily aware of it)..that's when they start to get defensive. Or at least that's how I am anyway and what I've noticed about people I've been around anyway. I think threads like this are very educational. There was one that someone started about chocolates recently and at first it was a little heated but then it turned out to be very educational - with lots of info about colors, the standard, well-known breeders, etc.

No show throwing.......it would defeat the purpose.

You and I both know that our Code of Ethics and Conduct states that we are to educate and help. If we all came onto this forum with that in the forefront it would help newbies immensely

Yup, and education is what we all need. I have learned some things I didn't know and had to do some more studying just from reading on this thread myself!

Donna

So just out of curiosity..... If a Hobby Breeder has there dogs evaluated by a show judge or even another show breeder and they deem them good specimens of the breed but the Hobby breeder doesn't want to show they just want to breed for the love of the breed is this considered inapropriate to everyone? If the dogs are good specimens of the breed should they not breed because they do not show? Again i'm just confused on what everyone thinks?? Not trying to start anything just curious thanks:D

As long as it is done correctly and the person immersses theirselves in the breed, the decision is theirs alone. Nobody should tell you it is right or wrong.

I honestly believe it all depends on who you ask. There are long time breeders out there that think there are SOME ethical hobby breeders...then you have those that only see it in black and white.

As long as you breed to better the breed and aren't breeding pet quality to pet quality and have done all the necessary testing, pedigree studies then I see nothing wrong but it's hard to get a good show quality dog from a reputable breeder or should I say a show breeder if you do not plan to show. But if you stay with the standard and stay ethical then I see no problem. I would still like to see breeders show because showing of course is my passion. LOL
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

That is a great answer!:thumbup: I must say out of everyone i truely respect your opinion you don't come down harshly on others and i have noticed you are always trying to help others even though it might not be what you believe. I truley am amazed how gracious you have been to alot of YT members who have been in trouble in "accident situations" and you have helped them out.

i didn't say it came from you and didn't mean to imply that it did. but you have probably seen it many times said by others same as I have.