Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1380716)

Can you imagine how many people would be that be without their beloved Yorkies if there weren't people that bred "pet quality"? I know,I for one, would be without my precious Harley and Livi.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1380721)

I agree...I don't think you have to show but you can at least get your dogs evaluated by an expert.:thumbup:
I also am of the opinion that the 'no one likes you' and likewise comments are uncalled for and could be excluded from this discussion. They serve no purpose.:(

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma (Post 1380724)

Not every dog that meets the standard is show quality. Show quality is the best of the best and that is why they deserve to be in the ring. .

Originally Posted by kelsie123186 (Post 1380720)

From what I have heard (and once again I am just a stupid newbie trying to gather as much knowledge as possible) Good breeders will not sell their "show quality" pups to anyone but people who are going to show... ls this true?

Originally Posted by Amber_lv (Post 1380732)

Throwing cold water on this thread to cool it down lol.... Ok with that being said... Daisy is humping Peeka like a mad Hussy is this normal after a heat?? Sorry had to break the tension but really i am serious she is a hussy... lol:D

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1380728)

the part I have a problem with is her saying that you shouldn't even breed unless you show because you don't even know the standard.

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380489)

I think that if you're interested in breeding, the best thing you can do is start attending shows and find a show breeder who is willing to mentor you.

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380689)

I did say that if the dog isn't shown, it should at least be evaluated by a show breeder or judge. Obviously not everyone is going to be interested in showing, but the dog should at least be evaluated to meet the standard. I never said anything about her having to show the dog anyway. I said the dog should be show-quality (ie. would do well in the show ring IF shown). And just because I don't show or breed doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. I've had conversations with both cat and dog show breeders, and all of them have had basically the same outlook and purpose to breeding...and they all say the purpose to breed is to better the breed. I've also been a member of dog and pet-related forumes other than YT for years and have gained a TON of knowledge about the show world and what a reputable breeder is. And no my dog did not come from a show breeder. She was given to me as a gift for Christmas three years ago. And no I don't believe she came from the best breeder out there, but I didn't buy her. And she's a WONDERFUL pet, I think she's adorable, and I love her more than anything. But I can see her faults. I wouldn't trade her for anything though.

Originally Posted by Winstin07 (Post 1380744)

By the way they are quality dogs and meet standard.

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1380728)

only bad thing about that is, from what I have been reading on another thread, a lot of the judges don't even know the standard anymore. so is it any wonder people get confused. i don't believe anyone is taking issue with remarks being made that people should have their dogs evluated by a judge. that is a great thing to do and I don't believe anyone is taking issue with the statement that all breeders should breed tobetter the breed. that's true. they should. the part I have a problem with is her saying that you shouldn't even breed unless you show because you don't even know the standard. Well, pardon me, but i do know the standard. i know it well and was just a few minutes ago studying in more detail. I study the standard every day and try to commit it to memory as best I can. There is not a day goes by that i don't learn something new. it's just like with me being a retired R.N., when i first graduated, I thought I knew more than the doctors but it wasn't until I actually got the hands on that I knew just how little I did know that's the way I feel about a lot of this stuff on here.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1380731)

True, but their is a big difference in a 'pet quality' only dog and a dog that was ill bred without standard being followed. It's the latter of the two that are ruining the breed.

Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 1380742)

:lol tears
Can't help with the humping but thanks for the laugh!

Originally Posted by Winstin07 (Post 1380744)

I thought this was cute considering I was told in another post (by you) that my dogs are not quality. Because of where they are from. By the way they are quality dogs and meet standard. I honestly am convincing myself that you mean well and just have a strong opinion about some things. Which is ok. Otherwise I would be hurt that you judge my babies without knowing them and I did not think it was like that here.


**Maybe this post should be closed before people get to offended.

Originally Posted by kelsie123186 (Post 1380736)

this is exactly what I have been told by quite a few breeders.... that is why I got so confused when in another thread i was told I had to get a show quality yorkie if i wanted to breed.... that is why i started this whole thread

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380756)

Okay..again, I never said you couldn't breed if you didn't show and that you don't know the standard. I said that the dog should at least be evaluated by show breeders and judges to make sure the dog is of quality to breed. Don't you think it would be better to have 3-4 knowledgeable people telling you your dog is of quality to breed, rather than just go off your sole opinion?

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1380743)

She never said that. She said you should attend shows and find a show breeder--a breeder that has alot of experience with great quality standard dogs--to mentor you. She never said that you had to show. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1380757)

I was talking about myfairlacy's comment about how people that do not show or have show quality should not breed.

As for your statement,"...ill bred without standard being followed. It's the latter of the two that are ruining the breed."....well,I guess Livi can be your poster dog for the ones that are "ruining the breed". :mad: :thumbdown

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1380757)

I was talking about myfairlacy's comment about how people that do not show or have show quality should not breed.

As for your statement,"...ill bred without standard being followed. It's the latter of the two that are ruining the breed."....well,I guess Livi can be your poster dog for the ones that are "ruining the breed". :mad: :thumbdown

Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 1380774)

:thumbup: :thumbup: :snowman: :grinhat: :chicken:

Originally Posted by Amber_lv (Post 1380762)

LOL no Prob!:thumbup: Glad i made someone smile

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380778)

I think Livi is adorable! I think of Biewers differently than I think of other faulted colors, because they are being developed into their own breed. They're pretty dogs, and I'd love to see them recognized as their own breed in the AKC one day.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1380752)

Just out of curiosity, and correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't your dog only 3 months old? How do you know at this point if he meets the standard...he isn't an adult yet? :confused: That's not to say he doesn't, just that if you have figured out a way to make that determination by 3 months, I'd love to be let in on your secret.

Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1380772)

This have nothing to do with your statement above but wanted to say... Man you have been researchiing and if you ever decide to breed let me know because I would love to get a pup that was created from your knowledge (even if it's 10yrs down the road:D )

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380649)

If you are breeding non-show quality dogs, that means that they have too many faults to do well in the show ring. So therefor they have too many faults to meet the standard. Therfor, you are not breeding to the standard! There are many others on here that would agree with exactly what I said. But if you are breeding non-show quality dogs, you are not bettering the breed.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1380775)

I'm not sure if maybe you're just looking for an argument, or what, but I am sure that you completely missed my point. Don't think I ever singled your dog or anyone elses out and claimed they were ruining the breed, but if you think that the money hungry breeders and millers breeding any two dogs to spit out litters and claim, "Oh, they are just pet quality" are doing Yorkies any favors, well....I just don't know what to tell you.... THAT was what I meant by ill bred, not your Livi, who is adorable, BTW.

Originally Posted by Winstin07 (Post 1380785)

He is to young. Yes, he is only three months. I love him and do not care how he turns out. I also have two other dogs a black lab and a golden retriever. I know they are standard. They are what I am referring to.

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1380767)

What thread are you refering to? Sorry...the only one I can think of is a thread about a dog that came from a petstore? Was that you? If so, I haven't even seen your dog so I can't honestly say whether or not he is of quality to breed. I remember saying in the thread that petstore puppies come from puppymills and BYBs which don't normally have good lines.

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1380799)

Nope,no arguements here....that's the type of person that I am. Just addressing what you said about people that do not breed to the standard and your comment of how they are ruining the breed. My Livi is not a Biewer,she's 100% Yorkshire Terrier and not standard by YTCA....which would put her in the category that you described as,"ruining the breed". This is the only reason that I addressed this.

By the way,thanks....I of course think she is pretty dog-gone cute.