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michiko · 07-01-2007, 01:04 PM

Wow Kalina...

I too applaud your courage to respond to my thread. I was thinking.. I would respect if you didn't. So Wow, Kalina...

You know.. how much I appreciate this...

I know there are people who have been afraid of speaking out. I too was one of the person who used to defend Stacy... if anyone said something negative about her. So I was afraid of being attacked on YT.

I am so touched that many of you believe me and are supportive.

I just hope that Stacy can come and be honest... If the money was an issue for her to register Haruka, I would have paid for it.. even I paid the "money" for an AKC dog.. I was her friend, and I could have done that...

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Originally Posted by kalina82

Michiko,

i know how hard this was for you to post because i know how much you looked up to Stacy when you first got Haruka. At the time Stacy (aka sylvan) seemed like a great breeder and friend. She answered all your questions and was very helpful. You signed the contract with Stacy because you trusted her. Its written there that after you got haruka spayed she would send you the registration papers. You upholded your end and she failed to do her part. For 5 months she's been avoiding the issue at hand and she hasn't given you a proper reason for it. I hope this thread makes her see how big of an issue this is for you and makes her finally give you the papers. One can only hope. Someone else posted that you should follow up with the AKC and see if she registered the litter already and also to file a complaint against her. I agree.

You know its hard for me to say this because i too have a Sylvan Yorkie. We got out pups only a week or two apart. Morgan and Haruka grew up together at Stacy's house (from different litters). I know exactly how you feel about losing touch with her and things not being the same. Our situations are similar but different. I knew what i was getting into when i purchased morgan, but at the time was too excited to question the reasons. I trusted Stacy too and the opinions of others on YT about her breeding practices. I will not go into my story of frustration because i feel it is partially my fault for not being smart enough or demanding enough (tho demanding might not be the right word here) to do anything about it. i wanted morgan so bad and didnt want to be turned down.

Also i think its good that you posted your negative experience so that others can read it and formulate their own opinions on Sylvan Yorkies. This should be done for all breeders/stores/whatever. Negative experiences can and should be brought up in a tasteful way so that other people who are thinking of purchasing from them can see all sides.

michiko i know you wanted to post this after saying so many good things about her so that other potential buyers will be able to read this before making their decision.

I applaud your courage. You know i am always around to talk and listen

Kellie

michiko · 07-01-2007, 01:07 PM

Yes it is.

When I got Haruka, I never thought that Stacy would sell a sick puppy because I saw her keeping dogs with a bit of health issues until she felt comfortable enough to find a family who can adopt them. Anyway... things obviously have changed.

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Originally Posted by Monday

Isn't this the same breeder Timmy got his sick baby Lily from?
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ghlight=Sylvan

kalina82 · 07-01-2007, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michiko

Wow Kalina...

I too applaud your courage to respond to my thread. I was thinking.. I would respect if you didn't. So Wow, Kalina...

You know.. how much I appreciate this...

I know there are people who have been afraid of speaking out. I too was one of the person who used to defend Stacy... if anyone said something negative about her. So I was afraid of being attacked on YT.

I am so touched that many of you believe me and are supportive.

I just hope that Stacy can come and be honest... If the money was an issue for her to register Haruka, I would have paid for it.. even I paid the "money" for an AKC dog.. I was her friend, and I could have done that...

took me a while to figure out what to write, heh. I just don't want other people to be duped into thinking there was never once a complaint or a question brought up against her. I like for people to have the facts so they can make their own decisions.

AprilLove · 07-01-2007, 01:30 PM

Hi Michiko,
I am really sorry you are going through this. I hope that by starting this thread, the other party will indeed respond and at least give her side of the story, or explain the lack of due diligence in following her contractual agreement.
I also am quoting you here
"People can have different opinion about AKC registration. But it is veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy important for me. I have paid the price for AKC yorkie. I didn't pay the amount to buy a yorkie without paper. So please try to avoid telling me that papers are not that important. It is for me and Haruka.
"

I just wanted to say, that I totally understand and agree with you. I also feel it is important to have registration papers whether or not your pet is spayed/neutured. My situation is a little different, but am still waiting for papers on my German breed Biewer, Nappy and he is almost a year old. I understand your frustration.

pat022351 · 07-01-2007, 01:33 PM

WOW - I'm shocked - I had considered buying a Yorkie from Sylvan Yorkies - but after reading this - well, i guess I'll have to think twice about that!!!

And..... what is up with her website????? Apparently she doesn't have one anymore. Check it out.

Txgurl06 · 07-01-2007, 01:39 PM

i seen that! she doesnt have her website anymore. i wonder whats going on!!!

MyFairLacy · 07-01-2007, 01:44 PM

After reading this post, I remembered seeing a review of her in the review section and went back and read it. I had tried to click on the website link and saw that it didn't work. I was wondering if it was just the link or if she deleted her website. I was surprised at all the people attacking that one person in the review. I thought she was asking legitimate questions, and really questions everyone should ask when looking for a top-quality dog. I didn't think she was attacking Sylvan at all - just asking good questions that everyone interested in buying a puppy from her should know the answers too. Honestly, if I was looking for a top of the line show quality dog, in my opinion she failed several of those questions... Some answers were fine if you were just looking for a pet quality dog, but if you were looking for a show/breeding dog like Yorkiek9trainer, some of the things she does just wouldn't cut it

sweetr72 · 07-01-2007, 01:45 PM

I feel sooooo sorry for you....I am feeling frustrated just reading it and knowing that people are afraid to speak the truth for fear of being bashed here...I am glad someone spoke the truth...I am hoping Stacy will post on this thread with her side of the story as this is just not fair..you paid the price for a reg' dog and that is what you should have gotten...I hope that if she didnt register this litter for whatever reason, she will refund you part of your money at LEAST...we should be able to trust each other on this board and I hope there is a good explanation for what has happened..thank you for opening your heart and telling us how you feel and I hope this turns out for you...too bad a friendship had to be comprimised because of this...

Dawn

Txgurl06 · 07-01-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

After reading this post, I remembered seeing a review of her in the review section and went back and read it. I had tried to click on the website link and saw that it didn't work. I was wondering if it was just the link or if she deleted her website. I was surprised at all the people attacking that one person in the review. I thought she was asking legitimate questions, and really questions everyone should ask when looking for a top-quality dog. I didn't think she was attacking Sylvan at all - just asking good questions that everyone interested in buying a puppy from her should know the answers too. Honestly, if I was looking for a top of the line show quality dog, in my opinion she failed several of those questions... Some answers were fine if you were just looking for a pet quality dog, but if you were looking for a show/breeding dog like Yorkiek9trainer, some of the things she does just wouldn't cut it

i just read that one too so i agree. i guess it seems people come off saying stuff wrong when you cant hear the emotions they are using while typing

also she was on today look Last Activity: Today 12:40 PM

Sugar's Mom · 07-01-2007, 02:01 PM

i am so sorry this has happened. I, too, followed your quest to get a puppy and was joyful with you when you did get her. I have always felt Stacy was a far superior breeder than i could ever be because people on here held her in such high esteem. I know that I am very gullible in thinking that these other breeders are so much better than I am. Well, at least I am honest to people. I feel this post should have been made in the breeders review section so prospective buyers can find it.

YorkieRose · 07-01-2007, 02:09 PM

I understand a breeder NOT giving papers at the time of the sale..I do not do this..for one reason I allow the buyer a few weeks to make sure the match is good..second, if the agreement is to spay/neuter, I want to hold papers...BUT the pet owner is shown the actual papers and I make a copy
..makes the buyer feel better if they do not know me.

Papers may not be important to many...BUT that is not the point, if the agreement was for the breeder to provide papers after spaying..and the buyer paid the asking price, fullfilled their agreement..then there is no other side of the story...
When a breeder will not answer emails or phone calls to a buyer with a justified request, then there is only one valid reason I accept..they are dead.

jim n · 07-01-2007, 02:14 PM

You all are just too diplomatic. What could her defense be for holding the AKC papers for over five months and not returning phone calls and emails? There's no excuse for that.
You have no loyalty to her. You reported her here now report her to the AKC too. I read the breeders thread a couple on months ago when everyone was just gushing about how great Stacy and her dogs are. Selling a sick puppy and witholding AKC papers that have already been paid for doesn't sound like a very considerate breeder to me. Everyone wants to hear Stacy's side of the story. This thread has been active all day. I'm sure some of her friends must have called her by now...where is she?

michiko · 07-01-2007, 02:15 PM

I think Stacy changed....

She was a great breeder..... she was... I meant every words I said about her.

Something must have changed her.

pat022351 · 07-01-2007, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i am so sorry this has happened. I, too, followed your quest to get a puppy and was joyful with you when you did get her. I have always felt Stacy was a far superior breeder than i could ever be because people on here held her in such high esteem. I know that I am very gullible in thinking that these other breeders are so much better than I am. Well, at least I am honest to people. I feel this post should have been made in the breeders review section so prospective buyers can find it.

Dee, please don't EVER feel that way - you have a wonderful reputation - and from my contacts with you regarding purchasing a puppy, a well deserved one!!

michiko · 07-01-2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i am so sorry this has happened. I, too, followed your quest to get a puppy and was joyful with you when you did get her. I have always felt Stacy was a far superior breeder than i could ever be because people on here held her in such high esteem. I know that I am very gullible in thinking that these other breeders are so much better than I am. Well, at least I am honest to people. I feel this post should have been made in the breeders review section so prospective buyers can find it.

I actually made a comment on the review as well.

07-01-2007, 01:30 PM	#34
AprilLove My Three Hearts Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wrapped around their paws :-) Posts: 7,190	Hi Michiko, I am really sorry you are going through this. I hope that by starting this thread, the other party will indeed respond and at least give her side of the story, or explain the lack of due diligence in following her contractual agreement. I also am quoting you here "People can have different opinion about AKC registration. But it is veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy important for me. I have paid the price for AKC yorkie. I didn't pay the amount to buy a yorkie without paper. So please try to avoid telling me that papers are not that important. It is for me and Haruka. " I just wanted to say, that I totally understand and agree with you. I also feel it is important to have registration papers whether or not your pet is spayed/neutured. My situation is a little different, but am still waiting for papers on my German breed Biewer, Nappy and he is almost a year old. I understand your frustration. __________________ MaryKay AprilLove Wubs Moosie R.I.P. Bailey & BitsyRoo

07-01-2007, 01:33 PM	#35
pat022351 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Camillus, NY Posts: 340	WOW - I'm shocked - I had considered buying a Yorkie from Sylvan Yorkies - but after reading this - well, i guess I'll have to think twice about that!!! And..... what is up with her website????? Apparently she doesn't have one anymore. Check it out. __________________ Pat Sadie Louise's Mommy

07-01-2007, 01:44 PM	#37
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	After reading this post, I remembered seeing a review of her in the review section and went back and read it. I had tried to click on the website link and saw that it didn't work. I was wondering if it was just the link or if she deleted her website. I was surprised at all the people attacking that one person in the review. I thought she was asking legitimate questions, and really questions everyone should ask when looking for a top-quality dog. I didn't think she was attacking Sylvan at all - just asking good questions that everyone interested in buying a puppy from her should know the answers too. Honestly, if I was looking for a top of the line show quality dog, in my opinion she failed several of those questions... Some answers were fine if you were just looking for a pet quality dog, but if you were looking for a show/breeding dog like Yorkiek9trainer, some of the things she does just wouldn't cut it __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue. Last edited by MyFairLacy; 07-01-2007 at 01:45 PM.

07-01-2007, 02:09 PM	#41
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	papers I understand a breeder NOT giving papers at the time of the sale..I do not do this..for one reason I allow the buyer a few weeks to make sure the match is good..second, if the agreement is to spay/neuter, I want to hold papers...BUT the pet owner is shown the actual papers and I make a copy ..makes the buyer feel better if they do not know me. Papers may not be important to many...BUT that is not the point, if the agreement was for the breeder to provide papers after spaying..and the buyer paid the asking price, fullfilled their agreement..then there is no other side of the story... When a breeder will not answer emails or phone calls to a buyer with a justified request, then there is only one valid reason I accept..they are dead.

07-01-2007, 02:15 PM	#43
michiko The Yorkie Sitter Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 2,350	I think Stacy changed.... She was a great breeder..... she was... I meant every words I said about her. Something must have changed her. __________________ Michiko (Ethicist) and Haruka(Fragrance of Spring Flowers) [/URL][/COLOR]

07-01-2007, 01:39 PM	#36
Txgurl06 RIP Skoshi! Love You Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wichita falls,tx Posts: 3,383	i seen that! she doesnt have her website anymore. i wonder whats going on!!!

07-01-2007, 01:45 PM	#38
sweetr72 No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,111	I feel sooooo sorry for you....I am feeling frustrated just reading it and knowing that people are afraid to speak the truth for fear of being bashed here...I am glad someone spoke the truth...I am hoping Stacy will post on this thread with her side of the story as this is just not fair..you paid the price for a reg' dog and that is what you should have gotten...I hope that if she didnt register this litter for whatever reason, she will refund you part of your money at LEAST...we should be able to trust each other on this board and I hope there is a good explanation for what has happened..thank you for opening your heart and telling us how you feel and I hope this turns out for you...too bad a friendship had to be comprimised because of this... Dawn

07-01-2007, 02:01 PM	#40
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	i am so sorry this has happened. I, too, followed your quest to get a puppy and was joyful with you when you did get her. I have always felt Stacy was a far superior breeder than i could ever be because people on here held her in such high esteem. I know that I am very gullible in thinking that these other breeders are so much better than I am. Well, at least I am honest to people. I feel this post should have been made in the breeders review section so prospective buyers can find it.

07-01-2007, 02:14 PM	#42
jim n Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 202	You all are just too diplomatic. What could her defense be for holding the AKC papers for over five months and not returning phone calls and emails? There's no excuse for that. You have no loyalty to her. You reported her here now report her to the AKC too. I read the breeders thread a couple on months ago when everyone was just gushing about how great Stacy and her dogs are. Selling a sick puppy and witholding AKC papers that have already been paid for doesn't sound like a very considerate breeder to me. Everyone wants to hear Stacy's side of the story. This thread has been active all day. I'm sure some of her friends must have called her by now...where is she?