Brush Creek Kennel Investigation

[Bdmcs324]

Originally Posted by dobiedude

Hence the reason I hung the dog keep the people off my property and find the owner (your right the coyote on the fence does not work and neither does the boots on the fence)
I know for a fact that the person would not come forward.
His friends who came down and claimed the dog stated that he wouldn't do it because he knew it would cost him money. I would have challenged you to come and find the person as a matter of fact the person who shot them in the head is still at large so please come and investigate with your super skills.
How was it inhumane? The dog didn't suffer like my llama did. Now that was inhumane.

Find what person?????? Why are we talking about finding anyone? If you are referring to the owner of the dog you know who it is since his friends came forward. With my "super skills" you sure are funny aren't you???????? HA HA HA. It is inhumane to kill a dog! There are other ways to go about things .... it may not have been that big of a deal if you didn't display your act by hanging it on the fence.

Anyways I have stated my opinion I am done going back & forth with this situation .. its not even the purpose of this thread. So take your snide remarks elsewhere.

[chachi]

If I had a llama and a dog was attacking it I would shoot the dog in a heartbeat as would many that have livestock. I wouldnt hang the body over a fence but the dog would be dead. It is the owners responsibility to control their dog not everyone else

[CO_yorkie_momma]

That is why he need to do the interview. Let people know if he even tried to correct the problems and let people in to see his kennel if he has nothing to hide. If he doesnt then people are going to assume the worst. Kinda like someone accused of murder, if he decides to not testify on his behalf even tho that is his right, it looks like he has something to hide by keeping quiet. That is just my take on it.

[Bdmcs324]

Originally Posted by chachi

If I had a llama and a dog was attacking it I would shoot the dog in a heartbeat as would many that have livestock. I wouldnt hang the body over a fence but the dog would be dead. It is the owners responsibility to control their dog not everyone else

I'm not trying to say I wouldn't shoot the dog if it was attacking my animals .. I am just agreeing with you saying its not right to hang it on the fence...

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Bdmcs324

I'm not trying to say I wouldn't shoot the dog if it was attacking my animals .. I am just agreeing with you saying its not right to hang it on the fence...

Oh well I agree.

[Bdmcs324]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

That is why he need to do the interview. Let people know if he even tried to correct the problems and let people in to see his kennel if he has nothing to hide. If he doesnt then people are going to assume the worst. Kinda like someone accused of murder, if he decides to not testify on his behalf even tho that is his right, it looks like he has something to hide by keeping quiet. That is just my take on it.

I agree 100% with you. If he is running a reputable business and truly taking care of ALL of the animals there is no reason not to allow people to see the truth. But even if it is clean, it doesn't make up for the way some customers are saying they were treated.

[Gingergirlsmom]

I know nothing about Brush Creek so my comments are pointed to irresponsible breeding practices. I think there are two distinct issues being brought up here.

1. what is a breeders responsbility in regards to a sick pup

but more importantly

2. breeding practices that lead to a large percentage of health issues

Ginger came from a not-so-reputable breeder (no, I didn't do my research) and has had many minor (thank god) health issues as have her siblings from the same litter.

My vet (and another) more or less explained to us that a lot of the problems she is having arise when breeders indiscriminately breed dogs without taking into account their history, breed fathers to daughters, brother to sisters, etc...

To me, more important than the 4 or 5 people who are speaking up here is what type of breeding practices is this man employing???

Many health issues can be foreseen when irresponsible breeding practices are employed. Many of those same issues are avoided by responsible practices.

Worms don't come from bad breeding, but hip displasia (sp), allergies, heart disease, etc., do.

[dobiedude]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

That is why he need to do the interview. Let people know if he even tried to correct the problems and let people in to see his kennel if he has nothing to hide. If he doesnt then people are going to assume the worst. Kinda like someone accused of murder, if he decides to not testify on his behalf even tho that is his right, it looks like he has something to hide by keeping quiet. That is just my take on it.

Oh yeah I agree. But who knows I would be kinda hesitant because of the way the media has a way of turning things around. As FOX has already said they do not want to see the satisfied owners they only want the upset owners. That is my take on it too.

[dobiedude]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

I know nothing about Brush Creek so my comments are pointed to irresponsible breeding practices. I think there are two distinct issues being brought up here.

1. what is a breeders responsbility in regards to a sick pup

but more importantly

2. breeding practices that lead to a large percentage of health issues

Ginger came from a not-so-reputable breeder (no, I didn't do my research) and has had many minor (thank god) health issues as have her siblings from the same litter.

My vet (and another) more or less explained to us that a lot of the problems she is having arise when breeders indiscriminately breed dogs without taking into account their history, breed fathers to daughters, brother to sisters, etc...

To me, more important than the 4 or 5 people who are speaking up here is what type of breeding practices is this man employing???

Many health issues can be foreseen when irresponsible breeding practices are employed. Many of those same issues are avoided by responsible practices.

Worms don't come from bad breeding, but hip displasia (sp), allergies, heart disease, etc., do.

I agree 100% way to go.
Thanks for your input.

[MsCheryle478]

Originally Posted by dobiedude

Oh yeah I agree. But who knows I would be kinda hesitant because of the way the media has a way of turning things around. As FOX has already said they do not want to see the satisfied owners they only want the upset owners. That is my take on it too.

Well, I can assure you that FOX wouldn't be doing a story if there was only a small number of unhappy owners and 100's upon 100's of happy, satisfied owners. That wouldn't really make a story now would it.

I am pretty new to the boards but remember reading about a scammer that came here. She was posting sob stories on how she was going to lose everything. She was selling I believe dog treats to raise some money. Some posters here just simply sent a donation. Others ordered from her and helped out that way. In the end, only a small percent actually got what they ordered or a refund. The rest were simply scammed.
So talk to all the ones she scammed and I am sure you will hear a completely different story from the ones that actually rec'd something. That's a fact of life.

[Buddah<3r]

Originally Posted by dobiedude

As I read they called he answered and they called each other names and then the phone was hung up. (I think it said that from a latter post) if that was the case it does no good for anyone.

I think it was wolfshepard...not sure. That said he was calling and calling and no one would speak with him. Or when they do answer the phone its pretty much a F**K you and hang up.

That isnt working with people.

[valbholmes]

For some reason I keep finding myself over hear reading this. One I keep having to defend myself, for sticking up for the place I bought my babies from, and the other to let everyone know I am not woth Brushy Creek.
I am not with Brushy Creek. I bought 2 Yorkies from them,my babies are in great health.
I have offered to go out to the kennel and look. The thing is, how do I know it is a bad kennel? I have no clue what it is suppose to look like? Can someone find me pictures to compare it with? Then I will find the time to go out there.
I will let you know what it looked like compared to any pictures you find me.
That is all I can do to help.

[dobiedude]

Originally Posted by MsCheryle478

Well, I can assure you that FOX wouldn't be doing a story if there was only a small number of unhappy owners and 100's upon 100's of happy, satisfied owners. That wouldn't really make a story now would it.

I am pretty new to the boards but remember reading about a scammer that came here. She was posting sob stories on how she was going to lose everything. She was selling I believe dog treats to raise some money. Some posters here just simply sent a donation. Others ordered from her and helped out that way. In the end, only a small percent actually got what they ordered or a refund. The rest were simply scammed.
So talk to all the ones she scammed and I am sure you will hear a completely different story from the ones that actually rec'd something. That's a fact of life.

Well thats my point about the media they will focus on partial truths and not complete truths. So never be too sure about the media.
I have had/been at (unrelated) events were the news coverage was somewhat sparse and not exactly 100 % what happened.
I always relate it to the game we use to play in school where someone is told a story and then they are suppose to pass it on to the next person and so on until it gets to the last person who finally tells the butchered story to the whole class. As I always remember it the story was way off from when it started.
But we will just have to see how FOX does and how this whole thing plays out its been fun talking about it anyway. Even though I have been accused of playing many parts in this whole thing! lol

[Buddah<3r]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

I know nothing about Brush Creek so my comments are pointed to irresponsible breeding practices. I think there are two distinct issues being brought up here.

1. what is a breeders responsbility in regards to a sick pup

but more importantly

2. breeding practices that lead to a large percentage of health issues

Ginger came from a not-so-reputable breeder (no, I didn't do my research) and has had many minor (thank god) health issues as have her siblings from the same litter.

My vet (and another) more or less explained to us that a lot of the problems she is having arise when breeders indiscriminately breed dogs without taking into account their history, breed fathers to daughters, brother to sisters, etc...

To me, more important than the 4 or 5 people who are speaking up here is what type of breeding practices is this man employing???

Many health issues can be foreseen when irresponsible breeding practices are employed. Many of those same issues are avoided by responsible practices.

Worms don't come from bad breeding, but hip displasia (sp), allergies, heart disease, etc., do.

I just wanted to add

"breeding practices" That include importing a majority of the dogs being sold (100's) from other counties just makes the risk larger. How can you be sure what dogs are being bred? If they are related ect.

In my opinion you cant really call yourself a breeder if these are your standard practice.

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by dobiedude

Oh yeah I agree. But who knows I would be kinda hesitant because of the way the media has a way of turning things around. As FOX has already said they do not want to see the satisfied owners they only want the upset owners. That is my take on it too.

I think everyone agrees with you that there are always two sides to a story. However, interviewing the satisfied customers is not going to accomplish anything. I think interviewing Mr. Moore himself would suffice to showing the "other side" of the story.

Think about the situation with your llamas. Let's say this pit bull continuously came back to attack your llamas time and time again - each time killing 1 llama. Say you spoke to the owner of the dog and he said "I wasn't there, I can't do anything" and never restrained his dog. After killing off all your llamas the news comes to do a story. Would you want interviews of neighbors saying "oh the pitbull was such a sweet dog - he would never do anything to harm another animal! dobiedude never should have killed him!"?

There is always going to be a satisfied customer - lots of them. But when the point of the story is the breeding practices and multiple sick/dead dogs with no resolution, the happy customers do not come in to play. What would interviewing a happy customer accomplish? Valbholmes could tell her story of how she received two healthy puppies, but what would that do? It's kind of a null point. Interviewing Mr. Moore would accomplish something. It would let him defend himself and his breeding practices and allow him to explain how many satisfied customers he has. See what I mean?