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Rae Rae · 01-03-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by precious_mom

I Adopted 3 Dogs (all At Different Times) I Have A Border Collie, Golden Retriever, Rat Terrier.... The Border Collie And Golden Is Outside...by Choice Of Them, They Were Both Outside Dogs And Thats All That They Are Use To! I Let My Babies In The House All The Time! But They Both Demand To Go Out! When Its Chlly Out I Have To Ignore That They Wanta Go Out, They Have Kennels With Lots Of Fresh Hay And The Kennels Have Roofs And They Have Heat Pads Under Their Houses, I Play With Them Everyday! They Are Just As Much As My Babies As The 2 In The House, And The Yorkie Thinks She Is Bigger Than Them, They Love Her!:d

When a dog chooses to go outside that's one thing. I just don't like the idea of getting a dog and planning on keeping him/her outside all the time. If the dog preffers it though, then I don't see a problem with it, unless of course theres severe weather conditions, or the dog isn't safe outside for various reasons.

TatumsMom · 01-04-2007, 08:34 AM

Sorry, finally got a chance to read this thread..... took a while to read it all the way through but I see a decision was made. I personally think it's the right one but who are we to judge, right? I do not personally know any pit bulls but can attest to the dangers of any small dog vs. a large dog. My toy poodle was blinded with one nip from a German Shepherd that he spent every day with. In my heart I know it was not intentional.... my poodle actually "started it". What it proves though is that it's not necessarily the breed of dog, it's the fact that a large dog can do major damage with one bite or swipe compared to what a small dog might do. Not to say a small dog can't seriously injure a small child too but you have to be a responsible owner if you have any large breed. Please be careful with any large dog that lives with a small dog.

There's a lot of good advise in this thread so I'm glad it helped the original poster. One thing that bothers me though is that it turned into a thread bashing outside dogs. Why do we have to have that argument again? Our Australian Shepherd is very happy and content being an "outside dog". My husband is outside and in his shop on our property all the time and Stormie is right by his side. We live in the country with fencing only for the cows so Stormie has lots of room for exercise and is very happy. "City folk" don't always understand what us "country folk" have to offer a dog that lives outside. If shelter is provided in bad weather cases and they receive lots of love and attention, there's no suffering on the dog's part.

Nancy1999 · 01-04-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TatumsMom

Sorry, finally got a chance to read this thread..... took a while to read it all the way through but I see a decision was made. I personally think it's the right one but who are we to judge, right? I do not personally know any pit bulls but can attest to the dangers of any small dog vs. a large dog. My toy poodle was blinded with one nip from a German Shepherd that he spent every day with. In my heart I know it was not intentional.... my poodle actually "started it". What it proves though is that it's not necessarily the breed of dog, it's the fact that a large dog can do major damage with one bite or swipe compared to what a small dog might do. Not to say a small dog can't seriously injure a small child too but you have to be a responsible owner if you have any large breed. Please be careful with any large dog that lives with a small dog.

There's a lot of good advise in this thread so I'm glad it helped the original poster. One thing that bothers me though is that it turned into a thread bashing outside dogs. Why do we have to have that argument again? Our Australian Shepherd is very happy and content being an "outside dog". My husband is outside and in his shop on our property all the time and Stormie is right by his side. We live in the country with fencing only for the cows so Stormie has lots of room for exercise and is very happy. "City folk" don't always understand what us "country folk" have to offer a dog that lives outside. If shelter is provided in bad weather cases and they receive lots of love and attention, there's no suffering on the dog's part.

You say that your husband is outside in his shop all the time, and this means you dog is getting plenty of attention and feels like a member of the "pack." Many of us have seen "outside dogs" that get little attention. Both family members work and the dog is lucky to get an hour a week of human interaction. In this case we think, "Why did you even get a dog?" Dogs are pack animals and as long as they have other plenty of human interaction, and have good shelter, I'm sure they are quite content outside (except maybe in Phoenix in the summer). You dog sounds like he has a perfect life.
Nancy

TatumsMom · 01-04-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You say that your husband is outside in his shop all the time, and this means you dog is getting plenty of attention and feels like a member of the "pack." Many of us have seen "outside dogs" that get little attention. Both family members work and the dog is lucky to get an hour a week of human interaction. In this case we think, "Why did you even get a dog?" Dogs are pack animals and as long as they have other plenty of human interaction, and have good shelter, I'm sure they are quite content outside (except maybe in Phoenix in the summer). You dog sounds like he has a perfect life.
Nancy

Thanks for that. Yes, it breaks my heart to see a big dog chained up in a yard with no interaction. That should never happen. My point though is that you shouldn't generalize with a subject like that. Just like there are many opinions on the pit bull issue. We need to be preaching responsible ownership and not bashing breeds.

I forgot to add earlier also that the insurance company my husband works for will not insure a pit bull owner but also they include other breeds, including German Shepherds. That's always a good issue to look into before getting a large dog.

Annuta · 01-04-2007, 11:00 AM

I think anyone who plans to get a large dog, especially those who have a reputation for being aggressive, must educate themselves exceptionally well about a number of things: the breed, training and discipline, etc. I would imagine that thoroughly researching the breeder is a must, even more so than with a small breed. We are not just talking about health and breeding to standard here, but temperament and aggression as well. When you buy a dog that size and breed, you are not only responsible for yourself and your immediate family, but for everyone who comes into contact with your dog - intentionally or by accident. It's a huge responsibility.

That being said, I have had two very bad experiences with pit bulls and would never get one myself. Once, my aunt was pet sitting for her friends, who went on vacation for a week. They had a pit bull. I came to visit for a day (I was 15 at the time). I was relaxing on the balcony (15th floor apartment) while my aunt was taking a nap. The dog came on the balcony and cornered me at the railing by putting his front paws on my shoulders, growling and pushing on me with his weight. I was so scared that I couldn't even scream. I don't even want to think of what may have happened if my aunt hadn't woken up in time to take him away. The owners, and they are very responsible people, claimed that their dog would never do that - just goes to show that even with the best-behaved dog, you never know what may provoke them. And, just to point out, I didn't do anything to the dog - I was just sitting there, reading. He never did that to my aunt, however - she was very tough with him. Maybe that's the key? Be assertive and they will respect you?

My other experience wasn't as dramatic, but scary nonetheless. I rented an apartment in a small building while I was in college. The landlord had a pit bull living in the basement, which also housed the laundry machines. The dog would growl and jump at anyone who would come near the basement. Needless to say, I did my laundry elsewhere.

Like any anecdotal evidence, this should be for reference only, and the ultimate decision is up to you and your family. Good luck with whatever you decide.

sashajade · 01-04-2007, 11:04 AM

would just like to add, first of all the uncle of the 5 year old girl who was killed has been breeding pit bulls for fighting, and the police have taken the other pits away.
where people are talking about training i dont think that will always work as we all know are dogs have there own personality and nothing will change that, my scampi (yorkie) was the sweetest dog to me and i could do anything with him but if he didnt like someone he would bite, in fact it was is hobby, biting men he didnt like, and i dont mean a nip on the leg, i mean he would jump for there neck or man dangly bits

and most of the time he was right about them, they normaly didnt like little dogs and he knew it, you know the type of man who thinks little dogs are a waste of space and yappy ankle biters, well it was scampis mission to show them that size doest matter and no matter how tall you are he will bite something that really hurts

no ammout of training would of stopped scampi from biteing, it was just him, part of his personality and was nothing to do with being scared and protecting his self.
i would not had him around kids as he could do damage as he would bite hold and shake and go for the neck, and i think the same of big breed dogs that where bred to fight, if its in them its in them and no training will change that.
however saying that i do think if you have a nice natured dog of any breed and it is trained well you will not have a problem.
small dogs bite more oftern than pits, rockies, staffs and all the other big dogs put together but we dont hear about it as they havent killed.

donnarod · 01-05-2007, 03:12 PM

I agree with you. Your yorkie looks just like mine.

YorkieShadow · 01-05-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyJosMom

Pit Bulls can be the sweetest dogs you can imagine. It's all in how they are raised. My daughter had 2 pit bull mixes - one is a rescue that was owned by a drug dealer and thrown out of a car during a high speed chase after a drug bust (she was about 6 mo. old) and the other came from a family with way to many dogs to give special attention to each one. While the male just ignores Roxy the female loves her and plays with her. Both dogs live inside but love to go out to play. Good luck.

I agree we have always had pittbulls and they have all been very sweet dogs. But I dont let them play with my yorkies or eat together. their just to big and can easly hurt these small yorkies even by playing.

TootiesMom · 02-18-2007, 04:44 PM

in most states, you CANNOT have homeowners insurance with a pit, or any other type of "mauling" dog...
I personally wouldnt own a pit, just because of their "nature" of unpredictability(pit is not the only breed like this)
putting big dogs and little dogs together is really fine in my house but I NEVER leave my lab alone with the little dogs...
several years ago, my aunt had a yorkie the same size as Hope, she crawled all over our bigg mix breed dog. they played together alot! the little dog bit her ear, she jerked and sorta snapped at the pain and the little yorkie died right there... it was totally an accident but it still could happen...
just be careful. you can never watch such a little baby too much or too close
good luck
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TootiesMom · 02-18-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Yorkie~Mommy~

Hey everyone, when my husband got home I told him about the many views I recieved (some saying its OK, some saying NO, some mixed feeling) and he said that he don't have to have a pit, which I think was best for my babies because I would never be able to forgive myself if something would happen. So I'm happy to say that we are NOT getting a PIT (LOL) Thanks again for everything YorkieTalk is the best!! Luv you guys!!

my VERY strong suggestion.... get a LAB! the most incredible dog in this world!
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Buddah<3r · 02-18-2007, 05:04 PM

This is a really sore subject for me. I hate the ignorance hate people have regarding these lovely animals.

My parents have always had pits my whole life. Right now they have 2 Pit Bulls, a german shepard, a lab a pug and a mini pin.

They all get along wonderfully. Infact the male pit mac is the most gentle and loving of all the larger dogs when it comes to playing with the little ones. Lady, the mini pin, fully grown is smaller than my Yorkie right now (4months)

IMO the Pit knows he is bigger and needs to be gentle. Just like they are with babies. They are one of the smartest dogs I've encountered.

On the side I would like to say if you think people should stop breeding these animals and do away with the breed because you heard they were mean you are just being ignorant. Should we do away with all Rots? how about Mastiffs? or Chows? Akidas? Siberian Husky?

I have heard many stories or experienced seeing myself all of these breeds and others attacking children and sometimes killing people. Any dog can be mean. Pit Bulls are not the only ones that can be dangerous. Why do you want to punish the animal for problems that humans have.

We are all against puppy mills because they are wrong and cruel, but no one has said we should stop breeding Yorkies. Breeding Pitts for fighting is wrong, but we should try to stop that....not the breed itself.

rachelsyorkie · 02-18-2007, 05:10 PM

I have seen to many stories of children & pets killed by beloved trusted pits. I would be very carefully. I know they can be gentle, but when its a law that they are PTS as soon as they come in a shelter or pound door-even tiny puppies-there is a reason. That is a Ohio Law where I live.

Buddah<3r · 02-18-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rachelsyorkie

I have seen to many stories of children & pets killed by beloved trusted pits. I would be very carefully. I know they can be gentle, but when its a law that they are PTS as soon as they come in a shelter or pound door-even tiny puppies-there is a reason. That is a Ohio Law where I live.

Just because something is a law doesnt mean it is right. Killing an animal based on prejudice is just plain wrong. People have it crammed into their heads that Pitts are these mean creatures and it just isnt right. It is a stereotype and I'm sure we have all felt how wrong a stereotype can be. The media is a powerful thing. We as free thinking people should sometimes look away from that and think for ourselves.

genie · 02-18-2007, 05:31 PM

I think that pit bulls can be very sweet dogs and may not be aggressive, but all puppies like to fight and the problem with the pit bull is that their jaws have so much strength that they may not intend to hurt but they can very seriously injure a smaller dog or child. I have 2 outside dogs that get lots of attention EVERYDAY, they prefer to be outside, they run free and have a huge warm dog house but when it gets real cold they stay in a room off the carport. I don't think that there is anything wrong with a dog being outside. My daughter is allergic to dogs that shed and so our lab and golden retriever stays outside. They are very happy and healthy and they go to work with my husband sometimes too. I think that it is silly to think that if you don't keep a dog inside then you shouldn't have one. I think that at least they have freedom to run and play outside, some people leave their dogs in the house all day while they are at work and to me that is much worse than being outside especially if they are big dogs. But thats just my opinion...

~Yorkie~Mommy~ · 02-18-2007, 05:35 PM

Oh MY who bought this NIGHTMARE OF A POST BACK!!! I thought this was wayy behind me (LOL) I know there are many views on this subject but I posted this a while back and we decided on not getting one OK so......I would apreciate if there would be no further posts (LOL) THANKS!!

01-04-2007, 08:34 AM	#107
TatumsMom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TX Posts: 2,799	Sorry, finally got a chance to read this thread..... took a while to read it all the way through but I see a decision was made. I personally think it's the right one but who are we to judge, right? I do not personally know any pit bulls but can attest to the dangers of any small dog vs. a large dog. My toy poodle was blinded with one nip from a German Shepherd that he spent every day with. In my heart I know it was not intentional.... my poodle actually "started it". What it proves though is that it's not necessarily the breed of dog, it's the fact that a large dog can do major damage with one bite or swipe compared to what a small dog might do. Not to say a small dog can't seriously injure a small child too but you have to be a responsible owner if you have any large breed. Please be careful with any large dog that lives with a small dog. There's a lot of good advise in this thread so I'm glad it helped the original poster. One thing that bothers me though is that it turned into a thread bashing outside dogs. Why do we have to have that argument again? Our Australian Shepherd is very happy and content being an "outside dog". My husband is outside and in his shop on our property all the time and Stormie is right by his side. We live in the country with fencing only for the cows so Stormie has lots of room for exercise and is very happy. "City folk" don't always understand what us "country folk" have to offer a dog that lives outside. If shelter is provided in bad weather cases and they receive lots of love and attention, there's no suffering on the dog's part. __________________ ~ Angie

01-04-2007, 11:04 AM	#111
sashajade YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: kent england Posts: 1,646	would just like to add, first of all the uncle of the 5 year old girl who was killed has been breeding pit bulls for fighting, and the police have taken the other pits away. where people are talking about training i dont think that will always work as we all know are dogs have there own personality and nothing will change that, my scampi (yorkie) was the sweetest dog to me and i could do anything with him but if he didnt like someone he would bite, in fact it was is hobby, biting men he didnt like, and i dont mean a nip on the leg, i mean he would jump for there neck or man dangly bits and most of the time he was right about them, they normaly didnt like little dogs and he knew it, you know the type of man who thinks little dogs are a waste of space and yappy ankle biters, well it was scampis mission to show them that size doest matter and no matter how tall you are he will bite something that really hurts no ammout of training would of stopped scampi from biteing, it was just him, part of his personality and was nothing to do with being scared and protecting his self. i would not had him around kids as he could do damage as he would bite hold and shake and go for the neck, and i think the same of big breed dogs that where bred to fight, if its in them its in them and no training will change that. however saying that i do think if you have a nice natured dog of any breed and it is trained well you will not have a problem. small dogs bite more oftern than pits, rockies, staffs and all the other big dogs put together but we dont hear about it as they havent killed. __________________ Facebook group yorkies & small terriers worlwide needing fur-ever homes & deathrow Zac Brandi Suki

01-05-2007, 03:12 PM	#112
donnarod "Owned" by Miss Tricksie Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Posts: 3,737	I agree with you. Your yorkie looks just like mine. __________________ Donna, Tricksie and Peanut

02-18-2007, 04:44 PM	#114
TootiesMom and Hopeys Mom Too Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,109	in most states, you CANNOT have homeowners insurance with a pit, or any other type of "mauling" dog... I personally wouldnt own a pit, just because of their "nature" of unpredictability(pit is not the only breed like this) putting big dogs and little dogs together is really fine in my house but I NEVER leave my lab alone with the little dogs... several years ago, my aunt had a yorkie the same size as Hope, she crawled all over our bigg mix breed dog. they played together alot! the little dog bit her ear, she jerked and sorta snapped at the pain and the little yorkie died right there... it was totally an accident but it still could happen... just be careful. you can never watch such a little baby too much or too close good luck d __________________ Donna's little herd.... Tooties Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?271687 Hopeys Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?448723 and Tinker, TBone(RIP) Laci .. OH, and Me-Kitty(RIP)

02-18-2007, 05:35 PM	#120
~Yorkie~Mommy~ Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 3,933	Oh MY who bought this NIGHTMARE OF A POST BACK!!! I thought this was wayy behind me (LOL) I know there are many views on this subject but I posted this a while back and we decided on not getting one OK so......I would apreciate if there would be no further posts (LOL) THANKS!! __________________ ~Christina~ Our human baby girl is HERE!! Luvin' My Prince Bailey Bailey's Dogster Page Bailey 's Gracie

01-04-2007, 11:00 AM	#110
Annuta Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 57	I think anyone who plans to get a large dog, especially those who have a reputation for being aggressive, must educate themselves exceptionally well about a number of things: the breed, training and discipline, etc. I would imagine that thoroughly researching the breeder is a must, even more so than with a small breed. We are not just talking about health and breeding to standard here, but temperament and aggression as well. When you buy a dog that size and breed, you are not only responsible for yourself and your immediate family, but for everyone who comes into contact with your dog - intentionally or by accident. It's a huge responsibility. That being said, I have had two very bad experiences with pit bulls and would never get one myself. Once, my aunt was pet sitting for her friends, who went on vacation for a week. They had a pit bull. I came to visit for a day (I was 15 at the time). I was relaxing on the balcony (15th floor apartment) while my aunt was taking a nap. The dog came on the balcony and cornered me at the railing by putting his front paws on my shoulders, growling and pushing on me with his weight. I was so scared that I couldn't even scream. I don't even want to think of what may have happened if my aunt hadn't woken up in time to take him away. The owners, and they are very responsible people, claimed that their dog would never do that - just goes to show that even with the best-behaved dog, you never know what may provoke them. And, just to point out, I didn't do anything to the dog - I was just sitting there, reading. He never did that to my aunt, however - she was very tough with him. Maybe that's the key? Be assertive and they will respect you? My other experience wasn't as dramatic, but scary nonetheless. I rented an apartment in a small building while I was in college. The landlord had a pit bull living in the basement, which also housed the laundry machines. The dog would growl and jump at anyone who would come near the basement. Needless to say, I did my laundry elsewhere. Like any anecdotal evidence, this should be for reference only, and the ultimate decision is up to you and your family. Good luck with whatever you decide.

02-18-2007, 05:04 PM	#116
Buddah<3r Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tustin Posts: 226	This is a really sore subject for me. I hate the ignorance hate people have regarding these lovely animals. My parents have always had pits my whole life. Right now they have 2 Pit Bulls, a german shepard, a lab a pug and a mini pin. They all get along wonderfully. Infact the male pit mac is the most gentle and loving of all the larger dogs when it comes to playing with the little ones. Lady, the mini pin, fully grown is smaller than my Yorkie right now (4months) IMO the Pit knows he is bigger and needs to be gentle. Just like they are with babies. They are one of the smartest dogs I've encountered. On the side I would like to say if you think people should stop breeding these animals and do away with the breed because you heard they were mean you are just being ignorant. Should we do away with all Rots? how about Mastiffs? or Chows? Akidas? Siberian Husky? I have heard many stories or experienced seeing myself all of these breeds and others attacking children and sometimes killing people. Any dog can be mean. Pit Bulls are not the only ones that can be dangerous. Why do you want to punish the animal for problems that humans have. We are all against puppy mills because they are wrong and cruel, but no one has said we should stop breeding Yorkies. Breeding Pitts for fighting is wrong, but we should try to stop that....not the breed itself.

02-18-2007, 05:10 PM	#117
rachelsyorkie Rachel & Tilula Belle Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 1,162	I have seen to many stories of children & pets killed by beloved trusted pits. I would be very carefully. I know they can be gentle, but when its a law that they are PTS as soon as they come in a shelter or pound door-even tiny puppies-there is a reason. That is a Ohio Law where I live.

02-18-2007, 05:31 PM	#119
genie Loves Hannah & Gracie Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: washington Posts: 1,752	I think that pit bulls can be very sweet dogs and may not be aggressive, but all puppies like to fight and the problem with the pit bull is that their jaws have so much strength that they may not intend to hurt but they can very seriously injure a smaller dog or child. I have 2 outside dogs that get lots of attention EVERYDAY, they prefer to be outside, they run free and have a huge warm dog house but when it gets real cold they stay in a room off the carport. I don't think that there is anything wrong with a dog being outside. My daughter is allergic to dogs that shed and so our lab and golden retriever stays outside. They are very happy and healthy and they go to work with my husband sometimes too. I think that it is silly to think that if you don't keep a dog inside then you shouldn't have one. I think that at least they have freedom to run and play outside, some people leave their dogs in the house all day while they are at work and to me that is much worse than being outside especially if they are big dogs. But thats just my opinion...