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dlynnturtle · 08-30-2006, 11:16 AM

If your breeder would write something for me that would be great. I'd really appreciate it.

skingstone · 08-30-2006, 11:53 AM

ok I'll ask her.

Julz · 08-30-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dlynnturtle

The only thing she was shipped with was what shots she had. I knew as soon as I got her that she wasn't right. I took her to the vet and they kept her, she passed away after being there 6 days. The wanted to run a liver test when she was alive but said she really was too small to get all the blood they needed. I refused an autopsy and the vet's best opinion is that she had a liver shunt. She was hypoglocemic but the vet is adament that it did not cause her death as she was on a glucose IV. The puppy lemon law is interesting though. I am not asking for vet bills which were over a thousand dollars, I just want this lady to refund me so I can purchase from a reputable breeder. This lady has no heart. it's been over a month and she has not even called to say sorry or to even ask if she passed away from something genetic. There were five puppies in the litter, so she is selling away without caring.

Only an autopsy would prove what the poor little pup had. Most contracts state that you have to get one done so that it isn't only guess work. What a sad ending.

Sugar's Mom · 08-30-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieangel

I'm a bit confused??? You didn't actually say what CAUSED her death... what was wrong with her. It seems to me.. and i may be wrong, that just shipping the pup wouldn't cause death. Well what I mean is if it was some sort of Hypoglaucemic(sp?) thing it would have happened right then and you said it was 6 days later she died. Just trying to figure out what's what

y the way. Airlines have policy that 8 weeks is the age for shipping so I can't imaging you could win a case on saying 8 weeks is too young since the airline policy is 8 weeks ... Plus you yourself agreed to the shipping date.

AND PLEASE no hate mail about the 8 week thing. I did not say I thought it was OK, just the airline policy

I just posted the same thing about airlinee policy sono one should flame you. policy is policy regardless of the breed. Many times when my husband has beagles for sale, we let them go at six weeks but the ones we fly out have tobe eight weeks. it isn't right to ship a yorkie this smallor this young but eight weeeks is the laww for all breeds.

Mardelin · 08-30-2006, 03:21 PM

I'm so sorry. I'm a breeder and would release a puppy before 12 weeks of age But, would never ship a puppy under any conditions, least of all in the summer or winter. AKC website states Toy Breeds should not be placed in homes prior to 12 weeks of age. YTCA code of conduct states puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve weeks.

Mardelin · 08-30-2006, 03:22 PM

Oops! I meant would not release a puppy before the age of 12 weeks, and would wait longer if a puppy is 2 pounds or less.

BrendaS54 · 08-30-2006, 06:40 PM

Dlynn,
May I ask where in Missouri did you get your little one that passed? I got my Maltese in St Charles Missouri. This lady was a little senile and when my baby got sick also when I got her home, I took her to the vet. She had something wrong with her liver enzymes. My vet suggested I take her back. I was so attached to her I hated to. I called the lady and she was very rude with me and her son also. He said they never had any problems with any of their dogs.. NONE they said. Well I kept her and she is okay now. She is 2 years old and doing great, but I will never buy from these people again.
Just thought maybe it was the same place.

Brenda & Bobo & Libby & Max says Hi!

dlynnturtle · 08-31-2006, 05:45 AM

The breeders name was Ruth Ann Goostree from Rocky Comfort, Missouri. I'm not sure where in MO that is.

Pipersmommy · 08-31-2006, 06:08 AM

I got Piper from a breeder in Kansas. She was 13 weeks when she shipped her, but only 1.3 lbs. She said she was concerned about shipping her because of her size. She took her to her vet a couple of days before shipping. Checked out ok. HA! When I got her I could see she was sick. Her ribs sticking out, stomach sunk in. Took her to my vet right away. She had coccidia, giardia, bronchitis. Took a couple of weeks to get her healthy. The breeder did reimburse me for the 1st vet bill, but not all of it. She paid a $100, I paid $300. I would never recommend her, but she did seem concerned. Now if Piper would have died, I wouldn't have been reimbursed for the vet bills, but she would have sent another puppy, If I was willing to pay for airfare. If I ever get another puppy, I've learned to get one closer. Visit them, see the parents. Do-not go on picture alone. Unless it was from a breeder on the site. To many people out there just wanting to make a buck.

dlynnturtle · 09-01-2006, 05:04 AM

I looked on nextdaypets.com last night, mainly to look at pics of all the cute yorkies up for sale. I found a few listings from the place where I got my last furbaby (petconnectonline.com). There are 2 of them I saw with full AKC registration, they are 9 weeks and have been availiable for a week in a half so they were going to sell them at 7 and a half weeks. Did I read the AKC site wrong? I thought it said that AKC yorkies were not to be sold until a minimum of 12 weeks. This makes me mad as they don't seem to care that they are selling pups when they are not ready to go to their forever home.

Mardelin · 09-01-2006, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dlynnturtle

I looked on nextdaypets.com last night, mainly to look at pics of all the cute yorkies up for sale. I found a few listings from the place where I got my last furbaby (petconnectonline.com). There are 2 of them I saw with full AKC registration, they are 9 weeks and have been availiable for a week in a half so they were going to sell them at 7 and a half weeks. Did I read the AKC site wrong? I thought it said that AKC yorkies were not to be sold until a minimum of 12 weeks. This makes me mad as they don't seem to care that they are selling pups when they are not ready to go to their forever home.

No you aren't wrong. According to akc and ytca code of ethics yorkies or other toy beeds should not go to their forever homes before 12 weeks or more. At 7-8 weeks of age is a very, very cruicial time. They are just being weaned and when relocated to a new home they may go off food for a day and we know the dangers of that. From the ages of 8 to 12 weeks is a very crucial socialization and learning time for these little guys.

skingstone · 09-01-2006, 05:30 AM

A message to all: I will post this again.

Becareful with chainlink fences even if your dog is perfectly trained! You never know. My breeders' championed dog was outside with her in the garden behind their fenced yard! A kitten decided to come into the yard. Before she knew it, the kitten climbed the fence and the dog jumped and climbed over the 6 foot fence. They have been looking for her all night long!

Nothing yet. She's very upset of course. I will be at her house on Sunday. I will ask her then about your letter.

Please tell everyone to not trust fences.

jeanief · 09-01-2006, 09:05 AM

Hi, I so sorry for your loss! I don't think the breeder did anything illegal, BUT a pup that small should not be sold or for sure not shipped in my opinion. I am a breeder and don't let my pups go that small or young. I'm guessing it was hypoglycemia related death. Even though the vet had it on IV drips, the pups must eat too! Pups that small seem to be prone to the low blood sugar problems more that the average. Pups that small have no reserve and can go down very fast and die. Shipping, change of food, shots, leaving their home, will make them not eat real good and boom, your in trouble! This breeder should never have put you in this position of taking on the care of such a tiny pup that had been shipped. This is just my opinion and not the law. If the puppy does not snap out of it enough to eat and get a full stomach, it's all down hill. To get a refund ( I'm guessing) you will have to have your vet say that the pup was not healthy for shipping, and why or the pup died ( breeder related) and here is the proof on paper. Most breeders to not cover for hypoglycemia for the fact that it can happen at anytime and for any reason( #1 not eating!! stress, playing to hard , common up to 12 wks) and then the chances are less, but it can still happen at a older age. I feel so bad for you, what a terrible thing to have to go through!! With all this being said , I don't think she did anything illegal, but it sure was NOT RESPONSIBLE!! Again, I so sorry for your loss

Yorkiesforever · 09-01-2006, 09:19 AM

No she shouldn't of shipped the puppy it was to little and to young. But I don't think the breeder will refund your money because you did not do the autopsy to prove the cause of death hypoclycima is not covered under any breeder gaurentee that I know of. I am very very sorry for your loss. That is such a sad story.

08-30-2006, 06:40 PM	#22
BrendaS54 Brenda's Brat Bunch Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,244	Dlynn, May I ask where in Missouri did you get your little one that passed? I got my Maltese in St Charles Missouri. This lady was a little senile and when my baby got sick also when I got her home, I took her to the vet. She had something wrong with her liver enzymes. My vet suggested I take her back. I was so attached to her I hated to. I called the lady and she was very rude with me and her son also. He said they never had any problems with any of their dogs.. NONE they said. Well I kept her and she is okay now. She is 2 years old and doing great, but I will never buy from these people again. Just thought maybe it was the same place. Brenda & Bobo & Libby & Max says Hi! Attached Thumbnails

09-01-2006, 05:30 AM	#27
skingstone Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 210	Will ask my breeder a little later...right now she's very upset A message to all: I will post this again. Becareful with chainlink fences even if your dog is perfectly trained! You never know. My breeders' championed dog was outside with her in the garden behind their fenced yard! A kitten decided to come into the yard. Before she knew it, the kitten climbed the fence and the dog jumped and climbed over the 6 foot fence. They have been looking for her all night long! Nothing yet. She's very upset of course. I will be at her house on Sunday. I will ask her then about your letter. Please tell everyone to not trust fences.

08-30-2006, 11:16 AM	#16
dlynnturtle Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 20	If your breeder would write something for me that would be great. I'd really appreciate it.

08-30-2006, 11:53 AM	#17
skingstone Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 210	ok I'll ask her.

08-30-2006, 03:21 PM	#20
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	I'm so sorry. I'm a breeder and would release a puppy before 12 weeks of age But, would never ship a puppy under any conditions, least of all in the summer or winter. AKC website states Toy Breeds should not be placed in homes prior to 12 weeks of age. YTCA code of conduct states puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve weeks.

08-30-2006, 03:22 PM	#21
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	Oops! I meant would not release a puppy before the age of 12 weeks, and would wait longer if a puppy is 2 pounds or less.

08-31-2006, 05:45 AM	#23
dlynnturtle Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 20	The breeders name was Ruth Ann Goostree from Rocky Comfort, Missouri. I'm not sure where in MO that is.

08-31-2006, 06:08 AM	#24
Pipersmommy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SW Fl Posts: 1,808	I got Piper from a breeder in Kansas. She was 13 weeks when she shipped her, but only 1.3 lbs. She said she was concerned about shipping her because of her size. She took her to her vet a couple of days before shipping. Checked out ok. HA! When I got her I could see she was sick. Her ribs sticking out, stomach sunk in. Took her to my vet right away. She had coccidia, giardia, bronchitis. Took a couple of weeks to get her healthy. The breeder did reimburse me for the 1st vet bill, but not all of it. She paid a $100, I paid $300. I would never recommend her, but she did seem concerned. Now if Piper would have died, I wouldn't have been reimbursed for the vet bills, but she would have sent another puppy, If I was willing to pay for airfare. If I ever get another puppy, I've learned to get one closer. Visit them, see the parents. Do-not go on picture alone. Unless it was from a breeder on the site. To many people out there just wanting to make a buck.

09-01-2006, 05:04 AM	#25
dlynnturtle Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 20	I looked on nextdaypets.com last night, mainly to look at pics of all the cute yorkies up for sale. I found a few listings from the place where I got my last furbaby (petconnectonline.com). There are 2 of them I saw with full AKC registration, they are 9 weeks and have been availiable for a week in a half so they were going to sell them at 7 and a half weeks. Did I read the AKC site wrong? I thought it said that AKC yorkies were not to be sold until a minimum of 12 weeks. This makes me mad as they don't seem to care that they are selling pups when they are not ready to go to their forever home.

09-01-2006, 09:05 AM	#28
jeanief YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 307	Hi, I so sorry for your loss! I don't think the breeder did anything illegal, BUT a pup that small should not be sold or for sure not shipped in my opinion. I am a breeder and don't let my pups go that small or young. I'm guessing it was hypoglycemia related death. Even though the vet had it on IV drips, the pups must eat too! Pups that small seem to be prone to the low blood sugar problems more that the average. Pups that small have no reserve and can go down very fast and die. Shipping, change of food, shots, leaving their home, will make them not eat real good and boom, your in trouble! This breeder should never have put you in this position of taking on the care of such a tiny pup that had been shipped. This is just my opinion and not the law. If the puppy does not snap out of it enough to eat and get a full stomach, it's all down hill. To get a refund ( I'm guessing) you will have to have your vet say that the pup was not healthy for shipping, and why or the pup died ( breeder related) and here is the proof on paper. Most breeders to not cover for hypoglycemia for the fact that it can happen at anytime and for any reason( #1 not eating!! stress, playing to hard , common up to 12 wks) and then the chances are less, but it can still happen at a older age. I feel so bad for you, what a terrible thing to have to go through!! With all this being said , I don't think she did anything illegal, but it sure was NOT RESPONSIBLE!! Again, I so sorry for your loss

09-01-2006, 09:19 AM	#29
Yorkiesforever YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,292	No she shouldn't of shipped the puppy it was to little and to young. But I don't think the breeder will refund your money because you did not do the autopsy to prove the cause of death hypoclycima is not covered under any breeder gaurentee that I know of. I am very very sorry for your loss. That is such a sad story.