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Old 06-28-2006, 05:37 AM   #1
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Since Angel no longer has giardia, I'm starting a new thread. Earlier last week, her stool was still soft and a little watery. I saw creamy mucousy stuff in some of it from June 22-24. I hadn't seen it in her stool since until this morning. Do you know what this is? There were two drops of blood in it as well. The breeder said that there could be blood from her swallowing her teeth. She said if it's bright red, which is what it looked like, it's normal, but if it's dark brown, I should take her to the vet. Her stool is sometimes firmer but still soft with a few drops of watery stool at the end; it is softer and watery at other times. I don't know if this is normal or not since her stool results came back negative for giardia.

The breeder said that the cause of her soft stool could be due to stress, adjusting to her new home and the meds (she was treated w/ Panacur for giardia), which are hard on their little bodies, as well as swallowing her teeth, which can upset her stomach and bowels. She said the kibble I'm feeding her should help firm it up, so I've been wetting her dry food as she's teething and stopped giving her some rice and soft dog food with her kibble. I do give her pineapple now and then to prevent her from eating her own stool. Is the information I've been told accurate? Any insight/advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Same thing happened to Timmy. Took a stool sample to the vet and he had colitis which causes mucus and blood in the stool. He was on meds for 10 days and is now okay. Mimi had mucus in her stool and they found she had coccidia she is now on meds for that.

I would recommend to take a stool sample to your vet and have it tested.
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Same thing happened to Timmy. Took a stool sample to the vet and he had colitis which causes mucus and blood in the stool. He was on meds for 10 days and is now okay. Mimi had mucus in her stool and they found she had coccidia she is now on meds for that.

I would recommend to take a stool sample to your vet and have it tested.
I'm glad Timmy is better, but I'm sorry to hear about Mimi. I first took a stool sample in on June 12 for Angel's puppy assessment (I picked her up on June 10 from the breeders' home), and I found out she had giardia. I treated her w/ meds and took another stool sample in on June 20 and the results came back negative. Could she still have another problem in such a short time period of testing her stool? The vet's office sent both stool samples to an outside lab so they could be tested for more things than at the vet's lab. The blood drops were faint.

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Could she still have another problem in such a short time period of testing her stool? The vet's office sent both stool samples to an outside lab so they could be tested for more things than at the vet's lab. The blood drops were faint.
I am not sure but this is what I found on the net on coccidia not saying that this is what your baby has but just in case....

How Are Coccidia Detected?

A routine fecal test is a good idea for any new puppy or kitten whether there are signs of diarrhea or not as youngsters are commonly parasitized. This sort of test is also a good idea for any patient with diarrhea. The above illustration demonstrates coccidia oocysts seen under the microscope in a fecal sample. Coccidia are microscopic and a test such as this is necessary to rule them in. It should be noted that small numbers of coccidia can be hard to detect so just because a fecal sample tests negative, this does not mean that the pet is not infected. Sometimes several fecal tests are performed, especially in a young pet with a refractory diarrhea; parasites may not be evident until later in the course of the condition.
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I am not sure but this is what I found on the net on coccidia not saying that this is what your baby has but just in case....

How Are Coccidia Detected?

A routine fecal test is a good idea for any new puppy or kitten whether there are signs of diarrhea or not as youngsters are commonly parasitized. This sort of test is also a good idea for any patient with diarrhea. The above illustration demonstrates coccidia oocysts seen under the microscope in a fecal sample. Coccidia are microscopic and a test such as this is necessary to rule them in. It should be noted that small numbers of coccidia can be hard to detect so just because a fecal sample tests negative, this does not mean that the pet is not infected. Sometimes several fecal tests are performed, especially in a young pet with a refractory diarrhea; parasites may not be evident until later in the course of the condition.
I appreciate the info. The breeder told me before that there could be blood due to the teeth she swallowed cutting her anus when passing through. Can any vet techs help me out? I sent you a PM kalina82. Hopefully, you can help me as you have been great with your responses.

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hehehe ok lets see... mucusey poop at teh ends with a little blood. well it could just be a reaction to the stress of moving and all the new things, plus the vet visits, the meds, and etc. Try giving her rice with her dry kibble for the next couple feedings and see if this helps. Timmy brought up colitis which is also a possibility, but before you rush her off to the vet i'd dry the rice in the dry food to see if she clear up alittle.

blood in the stool is usually an indication of inflammed/irritated intestines, which is usually causes by bouts of diarrhea or like your breeder said, puppy teeth floating thru. don't worry about the tiny bits of blood right now, unless you start to notice more, every time she goes.

If the rice doesn't help clear up the mucus poops, then bring in another stool sample to the vet. If she eats three times a day, and its still the same by friday or saturday then drop off a poop sample so they can check it out in office.
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hehehe ok lets see... mucusey poop at teh ends with a little blood. well it could just be a reaction to the stress of moving and all the new things, plus the vet visits, the meds, and etc. Try giving her rice with her dry kibble for the next couple feedings and see if this helps. Timmy brought up colitis which is also a possibility, but before you rush her off to the vet i'd dry the rice in the dry food to see if she clear up alittle.

blood in the stool is usually an indication of inflammed/irritated intestines, which is usually causes by bouts of diarrhea or like your breeder said, puppy teeth floating thru. don't worry about the tiny bits of blood right now, unless you start to notice more, every time she goes.

If the rice doesn't help clear up the mucus poops, then bring in another stool sample to the vet. If she eats three times a day, and its still the same by friday or saturday then drop off a poop sample so they can check it out in office.
I'm not sure if the mucuousy stuff is at the end because I haven't seen her poop when this is in it. I do know that the stool is sometimes watery at the end cuz I've been in the room w/ her when she goes and this happens. Angel was at my house for the 1st week and then we stayed at my sister's house for the 2nd week because my parents had guests over. Then we went back to my house the 3rd week (last Sat). This could've stressed her out. She has only been to the vet's the one time since I brought her home.

I haven't seen the blood very often. I hope it's just the teeth passing through.

I stopped giving rice w/ her kibble because she tends to only eat the rice; however, I haven't tried putting rice on the wet/softened kibble, so maybe she'll eat both as the kibble could've been too hard for her since she's teething.

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Just Kalina said just make sure your baby is eating and drinking water.
After a few days Timmy didn't eat and wasn't drinking water and he was losing weight. I called my vet and they said to give him white rice and gave me an appointment for the following day because they couldn't see him that same day. I just thank god the motherly instincts in me told me to call another vet and so I did. If he hadn't been seen and put on IV's right away he could have passed away because he had no energy left in him. As soon as he got the IV in him he was a different baby. Just keep an eye on your baby...they are so small.
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Just Kalina said just make sure your baby is eating and drinking water.
After a few days Timmy didn't eat and wasn't drinking water and he was losing weight. I called my vet and they said to give him white rice and gave me an appointment for the following day because they couldn't see him that same day. I just thank god the motherly instincts in me told me to call another vet and so I did. If he hadn't been seen and put on IV's right away he could have passed away because he had no energy left in him. As soon as he got the IV in him he was a different baby. Just keep an eye on your baby...they are so small.
I'm sorry about what you and Timmy went through, but it's great you followed your instincts and everything is fine now. Angel doesn't always eat readily but does eat and drink water. She hasn't lost weight. In fact, TCC thinks she has gained weight. She has a lot of energy so that's not a problem. Yes, they're small. Her weight on June 12 was 2 lb. 7 oz., and she's supposed to be 3.5 lb. full grown according to the breeders.
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Giardia is hard to get rid of and doesn't always show up in a stool check. She could have easily reinfected herself. Here's a link to read about giardia

http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/gia.html
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I hope that's not the case. How likely is it that the results were a false negative?
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I hope that's not the case. How likely is it that the results were a false negative?
It's pretty common with giardia (not coccidia usually).
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I gave her a tablespoon of rice with her kibble as per the breeder's suggestion to help flush out her system, and she only ate the rice. I'm leaving the kibble out overnight. I'm going to wait a few days and see how it goes. The breeder said he wasn't concerned about the blood but maybe the mucous; however, he said he sees it all the time at his house due to teething because they have so many dogs. He also said the other things I mentioned above can cause it.

I gave Angel a tablet of Sentinel on June 12, and then treated her w/ Panacur starting on June 15 for 5 days as I didn't find out until June 14 that she had giardia. The first day I gave her 2 doses because that's what the bottle said, but I was told by the breeder to double check that with the vet. It turned out the vet's office made a mistake, and from then on I gave it to her once a day, which is the correct amount. He said the effects of the meds could have also affected her system. If there's no change by Mon., I'm going to take a stool sample to the vet's office on Tue. as Mon. is Canada Day.

What is normally tested for from a stool sample in a vet's office and an outside lab? I didn't ask what the outside lab tests for that the vet's office can't do, and I don't know what the vet's office can do. The receptionist just said the outside lab can "test for more things."
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I gave her a tablespoon of rice with her kibble as per the breeder's suggestion to help flush out her system, and she only ate the rice. I'm leaving the kibble out overnight. I'm going to wait a few days and see how it goes. The breeder said he wasn't concerned about the blood but maybe the mucous; however, he said he sees it all the time at his house due to teething because they have so many dogs. He also said the other things I mentioned above can cause it.

I gave Angel a tablet of Sentinel on June 12, and then treated her w/ Panacur starting on June 15 for 5 days as I didn't find out until June 14 that she had giardia. The first day I gave her 2 doses because that's what the bottle said, but I was told by the breeder to double check that with the vet. It turned out the vet's office made a mistake, and from then on I gave it to her once a day, which is the correct amount. He said the effects of the meds could have also affected her system. If there's no change by Mon., I'm going to take a stool sample to the vet's office on Tue. as Mon. is Canada Day.

What is normally tested for from a stool sample in a vet's office and an outside lab? I didn't ask what the outside lab tests for that the vet's office can't do, and I don't know what the vet's office can do. The receptionist just said the outside lab can "test for more things."

at the vets office, the tiny bit of poop is placed in fecasol which is a special poop solution, mixed around, and then a cover slip placed over the top, and left for about 10 minutes so whatever is in there can rise and sttach itself to the glass cover slip. After 10 minutes the cover slip is placed on a slide and put under the microscope. The entire slide is scanned for worm eggs, specifically coccidia, rounds, hooks, whips, and ummmm.....some others LOL i can't remember. The vet can also do a direct scan of the poop by placing a minute dot of poop on a slide and directly looks at it under the microscope without floating it first. this is the way to find giarddia and possible some of the same eggs in a direct.
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at the vets office, the tiny bit of poop is placed in fecasol which is a special poop solution, mixed around, and then a cover slip placed over the top, and left for about 10 minutes so whatever is in there can rise and sttach itself to the glass cover slip. After 10 minutes the cover slip is placed on a slide and put under the microscope. The entire slide is scanned for worm eggs, specifically coccidia, rounds, hooks, whips, and ummmm.....some others LOL i can't remember. The vet can also do a direct scan of the poop by placing a minute dot of poop on a slide and directly looks at it under the microscope without floating it first. this is the way to find giarddia and possible some of the same eggs in a direct.
Thanks for the explanation. I've never talked about poo so much in my life before! haha

Well, Angel's poo looked better when she went this evening. I haven't seen any mucous in it since this morning. I hope it will continue to improve and not cycle b/w looking better and getting watery again. BTW, what does normal dog poo look like? haha
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