Aggressive dogs

[michiko]

I am gonna say something.. that maybe some people might disagree with.. but.. I am gonna say it anyway..

I have been feeling awful about some yorkies or any other dogs getting killed or hurt by other breeds. It is really sad that I love any types of dogs and some dogs are suffering in different ways.

This is just my opinion: I feel that putting those aggressive dogs in sleep is not the best solutions. Also I really doubt that it's always their (dogs) fault. I mean those dogs should have been trained not to hurt other dogs or people by the owner. This is the weird thing to me. Those aggressive dogs sometimes put in sleep but then owners don't learn anything from it. I just don't feel right!! Or those dogs get called all kinds of names... vicious dogs.. hmmm.. I don't like it!!

I sometimes visit my friend's Pitball mixed. I bet people would consider him aggressive. He would jump over your head... but he is just an excited happy dog. So when I go, I wear some comfortable clothes.. then do some trainings with him. He loves training.. after sometime.. he behaves a little better. I suggested my friend to walk him much more!! and keep up with the trainings.. It seems like he is getting better and better.

The town I work.. there are many pitball. I think it is because it is low income area that people might have pittballs for protection... Then.. I don't know if they are always educated to take care of their dogs. Then is it really a fault of the dogs that they are aggressive? Sometimes those owners are encouraging their dogs to be aggressive. This really makes me sick!!

The other thing is... that we all have to be responsible about our dogs. It is not that I would be obsessed about protecting about my little girl. I want her to be able to socialize with other dogs.. Then I will try not to let other dogs to attack her. Maybe it is easy for me to say.. but I cannot take the kind of risks.. I am not sure how the attacks happen... then I wonder if I was in the situation... where I would be. hmmmm.. it makes me wonder.. I don't know if I could only blame so called aggressive dog..

I just wish that more pets owners get educated and less animals suffer. Prayer to those who have suffered...

That was my mumbling for a night.

[Baby Blessing]

Originally Posted by michiko

I am gonna say something.. that maybe some people might disagree with.. but.. I am gonna say it anyway..

I have been feeling awful about some yorkies or any other dogs getting killed or hurt by other breeds. It is really sad that I love any types of dogs and some dogs are suffering in different ways.

This is just my opinion: I feel that putting those aggressive dogs in sleep is not the best solutions. Also I really doubt that it's always their (dogs) fault. I mean those dogs should have been trained not to hurt other dogs or people by the owner. This is the weird thing to me. Those aggressive dogs sometimes put in sleep but then owners don't learn anything from it. I just don't feel right!! Or those dogs get called all kinds of names... vicious dogs.. hmmm.. I don't like it!!

I sometimes visit my friend's Pitball mixed. I bet people would consider him aggressive. He would jump over your head... but he is just an excited happy dog. So when I go, I wear some comfortable clothes.. then do some trainings with him. He loves training.. after sometime.. he behaves a little better. I suggested my friend to walk him much more!! and keep up with the trainings.. It seems like he is getting better and better.

The town I work.. there are many pitball. I think it is because it is low income area that people might have pittballs for protection... Then.. I don't know if they are always educated to take care of their dogs. Then is it really a fault of the dogs that they are aggressive? Sometimes those owners are encouraging their dogs to be aggressive. This really makes me sick!!

The other thing is... that we all have to be responsible about our dogs. It is not that I would be obsessed about protecting about my little girl. I want her to be able to socialize with other dogs.. Then I will try not to let other dogs to attack her. Maybe it is easy for me to say.. but I cannot take the kind of risks.. I am not sure how the attacks happen... then I wonder if I was in the situation... where I would be. hmmmm.. it makes me wonder.. I don't know if I could only blame so called aggressive dog..

I just wish that more pets owners get educated and less animals suffer. Prayer to those who have suffered...

That was my mumbling for a night.

Excellent post by you Michiko, I personally think and believe being a responsable pet owner has a lot to do with their behavior. I, like you, wish more people would train and work with their dogs. We had Dobermans for many years and Gretta and Nicki were the best behaved and so well trained they were a real joy to us and everyone that met them marveled about them. Right now we are kinda in a dilema as we live in a county that is requiring mandatory spaying/neutering , I have posted to the forum several places tonight regarding it. We don't want to have Baby Blessing spayed but now with the new law they are saying we must I know there are many that go along with this new law but many that don't too, I personally feel spaying/neutering should be left up to individual decision and not the government telling us what we have to do on this issue. We have always abided by the laws and never have dissobeyed in them. I just feel it is wrong to make responsable citizens do something like this when it is caused by irresponsable people, is it going to keep them from doing wrong and not following the law? I don't think so. Once again we are being scrutinized for irresponsable and non law abiding people. Sorry for rambling on but thanks to you, your post motivated me in saying what I just did and that is good, thank God we live in a wonderful country where we are able to express ourselves freely. Your baby is so precious and I know you are really enjoying her. That is wonderful you can take her to work if you want to have a nice evening. Thanks again for speaking up and voicing your opinion.
Patti, Jack and Baby Blessing.

[MyTrixie143]

I believe there are levels of aggression in dogs. Some are slightly aggressive and can be trained. On the otherhand, there are dogs with severe aggression that should be put down. Every aggressive dog should be evaluated on how aggressive it is and whether you can work with it or not. Some people and even shelters don't give dogs with aggression a chance no matter how slight the aggression is.

My cocker was very food aggressive when I got her and would attack anything that came near her food. But with training she is no longer food aggressive and you can do whatever you want with her food and she won't have a care in the world about it. If she were at a shelter, she probably would have been put down.

I just think that every dog, even aggressive dogs deserve a chance, if the problem can not be corrected and you have worked really hard with the the dog then I feel the only thing to do is to put the dog down. After all, the dog would be considered dangerous and the best thing to do would be to put it down.

It is sad that these dogs have to endure this, alot of them end up aggressive because of their owners, it is not fair to the dog, but what are you going to do. What also bothers me is that if a dog bites someone one time they are considered highly aggressive. Rather than trying to figure out why the dog bit him and trying to help the dog, it is considered aggressive and muzzled or put down when in all reality it could have been the person who got bit who was the one at fault. I don't like getting bit by a dog anymore than getting bit by a snake but rather than wanting the dog destroyed I would try to figure out what went wrong and whether it can be helped. Not all dogs that are aggressive can be helped, but I would want to try my best to give it the chance. Bottom line is we just need to try to understand these dogs more and try our best to help them.

[Mitzis Mom]

You speak my mind, michiko!

For a lot of things you do in life you need a license or permit where you have to show that you are able and educated enough to do it. Just not for some of the most responsible things like having kids and animals. IMO there should be much more education on those subjects at home, at school and in the media.

No dog is born mean even though through breeding selection the agression level in some breeds is lower than in others.

As long as this mankind does not learn to live up to their meanings and possibilties there will be curelty, violence and injustice. The media do their part to make it worse by showering us with exactly that and 24/7.

[Yorkie3]

Originally Posted by Baby Blessing

Excellent post by you Michiko, I personally think and believe being a responsable pet owner has a lot to do with their behavior. I, like you, wish more people would train and work with their dogs. We had Dobermans for many years and Gretta and Nicki were the best behaved and so well trained they were a real joy to us and everyone that met them marveled about them. Right now we are kinda in a dilema as we live in a county that is requiring mandatory spaying/neutering , I have posted to the forum several places tonight regarding it. We don't want to have Baby Blessing spayed but now with the new law they are saying we must I know there are many that go along with this new law but many that don't too, I personally feel spaying/neutering should be left up to individual decision and not the government telling us what we have to do on this issue. We have always abided by the laws and never have dissobeyed in them. I just feel it is wrong to make responsable citizens do something like this when it is caused by irresponsable people, is it going to keep them from doing wrong and not following the law? I don't think so. Once again we are being scrutinized for irresponsable and non law abiding people. Sorry for rambling on but thanks to you, your post motivated me in saying what I just did and that is good, thank God we live in a wonderful country where we are able to express ourselves freely. Your baby is so precious and I know you are really enjoying her. That is wonderful you can take her to work if you want to have a nice evening. Thanks again for speaking up and voicing your opinion.
Patti, Jack and Baby Blessing.

Sorry if I sound like a real dummy, but are you saying in your county that no one can be a responsible breeder? Everyone has to neuter/spay their animals? How can they do that in the country we live in? Doesn't seem right or fair. Can you get a kennel license to be able to breed, are their exceptions to this law? Just curious. Thanks

[Yorkie3]

Originally Posted by michiko

I am gonna say something.. that maybe some people might disagree with.. but.. I am gonna say it anyway..

I have been feeling awful about some yorkies or any other dogs getting killed or hurt by other breeds. It is really sad that I love any types of dogs and some dogs are suffering in different ways.

This is just my opinion: I feel that putting those aggressive dogs in sleep is not the best solutions. Also I really doubt that it's always their (dogs) fault. I mean those dogs should have been trained not to hurt other dogs or people by the owner. This is the weird thing to me. Those aggressive dogs sometimes put in sleep but then owners don't learn anything from it. I just don't feel right!! Or those dogs get called all kinds of names... vicious dogs.. hmmm.. I don't like it!!

I sometimes visit my friend's Pitball mixed. I bet people would consider him aggressive. He would jump over your head... but he is just an excited happy dog. So when I go, I wear some comfortable clothes.. then do some trainings with him. He loves training.. after sometime.. he behaves a little better. I suggested my friend to walk him much more!! and keep up with the trainings.. It seems like he is getting better and better.

The town I work.. there are many pitball. I think it is because it is low income area that people might have pittballs for protection... Then.. I don't know if they are always educated to take care of their dogs. Then is it really a fault of the dogs that they are aggressive? Sometimes those owners are encouraging their dogs to be aggressive. This really makes me sick!!

The other thing is... that we all have to be responsible about our dogs. It is not that I would be obsessed about protecting about my little girl. I want her to be able to socialize with other dogs.. Then I will try not to let other dogs to attack her. Maybe it is easy for me to say.. but I cannot take the kind of risks.. I am not sure how the attacks happen... then I wonder if I was in the situation... where I would be. hmmmm.. it makes me wonder.. I don't know if I could only blame so called aggressive dog..

I just wish that more pets owners get educated and less animals suffer. Prayer to those who have suffered...

That was my mumbling for a night.

Hi, I'm not sure what to think of your post. I agree with most of it, but then some of it, I just don't know. I hate the thought of dogs being put to sleep but the aggressive ones, what else can you do? My thoughts are: Some dogs have the "aggressive" label and are not aggressive. Let's take Pitbulls just for example purposes. If they come from a long line pitbulls bred to fight, then yes, I think the only reasonable solution is to put them to sleep. They were bred to fight in that line. To me it's like those who own wild animals (like tigers, lions etc). They know that even though they are even tempered and able to interact with that wild animal, that at any time the wild natural instinct could come out. Does that make sense? It's just too dangerous for people and other dogs to expect that a carelessly bred dog be gentle and sweet without the bad "aggressive" trait not to come out at some point in time.

Last summer, I found a pitbull puppy wandering down the road. It was so hot that day, near 90 degrees. The puppy was wobbling because it was so thirsty in the hot sun. Just so happened I had a bottle of water with me and gave him some. I took him home and put cool cloths on him to help cool him down. He was so sweet, but then I noticed some little scars on his head and legs. My guess he was used to train larger ones to fight or being trained to fight himself. I knew there was no way I would even consider keeping this puppy. I have my husband, son, 4 yorkies, golden retriever and myself to worry about. I was not willing to take a chance with this puppy. I took him to our local humane society. As an adult, his fighting instincts could errupt at any time. Thanks for reading.

[michiko]

I still agree with Michiko's mind 100 %

[BamaFan121s]

I agree with you Michiko. I think it is unfortunate that the dogs have to pay the price for the stupidity of their owners/breeders. I believe alot of these dogs never have a change either because of poor breeding or ignorant people.
I hope that one day they will truly crack down on the people that own and breed these dogs and make sure that it is being done properly so that they dogs don't turn out to be dangerous, through no fault of their own. I wouldn't think owners/breeders would object to this if they really LOVE the breed. If you are ethical, what do you have to hide, right?
My personal opinion, if they were treated like guns...dangerous, deadly weapons, cause c'mon face it, they ARE in the wrong hands...and you had to have a permit to own a pit, rot, etc. Maybe that would help? I don't know....just my 2 cents.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

My personal opinion, if they were treated like guns...dangerous, deadly weapons, cause c'mon face it, they ARE in the wrong hands...and you had to have a permit to own a pit, rot, etc. Maybe that would help? I don't know....just my 2 cents.

Good point.

[Francie]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I agree with you Michiko. I think it is unfortunate that the dogs have to pay the price for the stupidity of their owners/breeders. I believe alot of these dogs never have a change either because of poor breeding or ignorant people.
I hope that one day they will truly crack down on the people that own and breed these dogs and make sure that it is being done properly so that they dogs don't turn out to be dangerous, through no fault of their own. I wouldn't think owners/breeders would object to this if they really LOVE the breed. If you are ethical, what do you have to hide, right?
My personal opinion, if they were treated like guns...dangerous, deadly weapons, cause c'mon face it, they ARE in the wrong hands...and you had to have a permit to own a pit, rot, etc. Maybe that would help? I don't know....just my 2 cents.

Good post...I agree


I think all breeds that are trained to protect and guard should be forced to provide a Certificate indicating they have gone through an approved Professional Training Program and undergone an aggression test., before they can be kept in a private home or business....with a $1,000 fine and removal of the pet should they not be able to provide it.

Come to think of it...maybe ALL breeds should require certification...it might help weed out irresponsible pet owners.


Francie

[BamaFan121s]

That's exactly my point. Some people obviously don't care about these dogs so why would they care if the toughest punishment they see is the dog being taken away? Now on the other hand, if they faced charges equivalent to say, shooting someone, or carrying a concealed weapon...maybe they would think twice.

[Francie]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

That's exactly my point. Some people obviously don't care about these dogs so why would they care if the toughest punishment they see is the dog being taken away? Now on the other hand, if they faced charges equivalent to say, shooting someone, or carrying a concealed weapon...maybe they would think twice.

Now that's an idea!



Francie