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BabyFidgette · 05-29-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandy101b

I don't personally agree with being homosexual but i also don't judge people for it. I have gay and lesbian friends and they are some of the nicest down to earth people I know. I love them all and they are my best friends. I don't live that lifestlye thats my choice but others do and how dare someone ridicule someone else. I am sorry that you had to go through that, its disguting the way some people are. But just remember people are afraid of what they don't understand and most likely they were uneducated white trash!!! I think that anyone who can be themsleves and be proud of it are the kind of people I want to know and that I want in my life. Its sad that you had to leave and be chased away by ignorant people. Life is cruel but you seem like you have great friends that support you so good for you!!!

How can you not agree with a person's sexuality? They are born like that, and can't be changed.

Sorry, I'm NOT trying to mean, but when these statements hit close to home, it bothers me.

PS. No, I am not gay.

LaviniaHyacynth · 05-29-2006, 04:55 PM

Mikey, I am so glad that you and Baxter and all of your friends are safe. I am sorry you had to run into such a lousy group of ignorant people. You did the smart thing by walking away.....people like that are certainly not worth harming yourself. Think of it as their loss .....I certainly do .....My very best friends are gay and my world would not be the same without them. Hugs to you and your pup.

bettyeanne · 05-29-2006, 06:51 PM

Mikey, I have admired your maturity ever since you joined this forum ... I believe you are only 20? I am even more impressed by the mature way you handled that situation! It's sad to say, but there are "those" people in this world and have to be tolerated. Also, to "assume" just because of your Yorkie just further demonstrated their ignorance! I'd like to hear someone insult my great big manly husband that way ... he adores Toto and doesn't care who knows it ... he proudly carries her in public like she is gold! I lost one of my best friends a few years ago to cancer [he was a gay man] and I often wish that he could have known our Toto ... he was such an animal lover and would have adored her! I miss him every single day. Please do be careful though, there are stupid, ignorant people in this world and they are even meaner when they are drinking and "running in packs"!!

mikey · 05-29-2006, 08:32 PM

i want all of you to know how much i appreciate your support. it's not terribly hard to overlook those rednecks, but still, in the back of my mind there is that constant feeling that maybe they are right. maybe i am a freak. maybe being gay really is as disgusting as they think.

i know this isnt really the place to talk about this but.. i dunno. i wish i was straight. i would give anything to have had a more normal life and not had this burden of being "different."

but honestly, i've tried to be with girls. i tried SO HARD because i know the consequences of ending up with a male. i know how dissapointed my family will be. and "dissapointed" is an understatement. i wont have a wedding with my family. my love wont be celebrated or even aknowledged by my own family. that's a hard pill to swallow.

through all the trying and forcing myself to feel feelings for females, i realized that i'm denying who i am, what i am. i cant spend the rest of my life trying to appease everyone else. it wouldnt be fair to the girl or to me. and if anyone chooses to have negative feelings towards me for being honest about who i am, then so be it. i'm just being honest.

females can not fullfill me emotionally or sexually. i dont know why. i just know that this is how it is. it's not a choice i made, it's something in my skin, in my blood, it is in my body..

it's hard to hear people say that they dont agree with it, because it's hard to hear that someone does not agree with what feels so natural to me. but i do understand that people have their own opinions and i can accept that. and i truly appreciate people respecting my right to my own opinions.

my last relationship lasted for almost two years. i was very much in love and i thought that we would last and that love would be enough to make it. but it's not. things were hard and trying and.. sigh.. there's a lot of details, but.. he, in january, killed himself. and no one in my family knew. and it's so hard not being able to have my parents know why i barely left my room until march.

i dont know why i'm rambling and telling all this. i guess i just needed to vent. blah.

i'm not saying this to make anyone feel sorry for me. please dont. i'm handling things. i'll be ok, i think. i just said all that to say that being gay doesnt mean you're a frou frou prissy drag queen who hooks up with random guys all the time. i'm not that. i'm nothing close. my relationships are just like anyone elses. we're just like everyone else.

thanks again for all the support and sorry for spilling a portion of my guts.

Annie&Badger · 05-29-2006, 08:47 PM

Oh wow. Your poor thing. Your friend died and you told no-one in your family?!

How awful for you!! Of course you shouldn't feel bad about being gay. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's just a sexual and to some extent a lifestyle choice - there is categorically nothing wrong with it and you are certainly not a 'freak'! I know things are different in America but personally I believe gay people should be allowed to get married and they do here in England without so much as anyone batting an eyelash. Being able to love like that is not just confined to the relationship between men and women and you should have the right to have a special day for your family. Do they know you're gay? It's a shame there are so many narrow-minded idiots in the world who dictate their values on other people. I know the choice to be gay is a very different one but you are 100% right in that it is your life and you must live it the way it makes you happiest. Being happy is such a rare thing in this world so if you can find the chance to grab some, then you must. You shouldn't feel bad about letting out your feelings here. I'm sure everyone thinks the world of you and you sound pretty fabulous to me. Don't let them get you down, love xxx

Adryana · 05-29-2006, 09:25 PM

Hi Mikey,
First off, you are not a freak. You are a wonderful, clearly intelligent, loving human being. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with being gay. NOTHING. I'm so sorry that your x-boyfriend passed and that you were unable to share that with anyone in your family. I live in Los Angeles and most people are very tolerant here. I think its very different where you live and I'm sorry for that. People are ignorant and because of it they make poor decisions and lash out in horrible, inexcusable ways.

Continue to be who you are and don't ever be ashamed of it. I am very impressed with the way you handled that ugly situation with the rednecks. When times are tough at least you have your beautiful baby yorkie

All my best,
Adryana

Adryana · 05-29-2006, 09:29 PM

...one other thing... I know it's not a choice...you did not chose to be gay. You are born who you are and you are beautiful.

Annie&Badger · 05-29-2006, 09:36 PM

Exactly. And God makes you the way you are because he wants you to be that way. If people judge and condemn you, then they are judging and condemning God. It's that simple

chelbuddy · 05-29-2006, 10:36 PM

Mikey, I'm so glad that you are able to share all of this here...I am so glad you walked away from those awful people - it shows what a strong person you are - what strength you have access to - and how smart you are. Here in San Francisco I feel somewhat isolated from incidents like the one you describe - I'm grateful for this "safe haven" for my friends, but at the same time don't want to forget that there is still so much ignorance and hatred out there.

I'm so sorry for your loss...and I hope that all of us being here for you is some comfort. And I'm so glad you have Baxxxter!

cindy0721 · 05-30-2006, 05:35 AM

I'm so sorry for your loss ... but things will get better... you know your mom might just surprise you with her reaction if you ever did decide to tell her, mom's always know their kids , she might already know ya know....and don't feel bad you have ONE BIG OL' FAMILY HERE! Who will support you and accept you for the person you are.. and heck if you invite us ..most of us will probably go to your wedding

.... take care and always look up...

doggrooming · 05-30-2006, 06:06 AM

I am sorry to hear about your loss. I won't insult you and say I know how you feel because I don't I have never lost anyone that close to me. There is nothing wrong with who you are. Just be yourself. I"ll come to your wedding if you invite me.

You sound like a great person. LOTS of HUGS being sent your way.

Bizzymammabee · 05-30-2006, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey

sooooooo my friends and i took baxxxter with us to swim in a creek in the middle of nowhere yesterday.

it was my first time going to this place and, though the place was beautiful, there were a lot of drunk rednecks everywhere. oh joy.

well my three guy friends, one female friend, and baxxxter were having a good time swimming and jumping off the cliff and whatnot. you guys should have seen him out there dog-paddling away. it was hilarious. when we picked him up out of the water he would still paddle at the air, it was adorable. and he'd climb up on my back and surf while i did the swimming for him. everyone was having a good time.

until,

we were getting ready to go and i walked upstream to clean baxxxter off in the shallow water and some drunk inbred guys were like "are you a fag?!?"

oh. sh*t.

"cuz yu gut wun uf thim thar fag dawgs."

"this aint no place fur f*ckin fags and fag dawgs."

i knew i was about to get lynched.

i wanted to be like -yeah i'm gay not because i own a small dog, but because my willy only stands up for boys, not that it should be any of your concern- BUT i know better than to open my mouth around these rednecks.

so i just turned around and went back to my friends and, luckily, 2 of the three of them are in the army and would protect me in a heartbeat.

we left shortly after the death threats started.

it just makes me so angry that people are so hateful. i can, somewhat, understand people not agreeing with me. i understand that it's part of people's religion, but i dont understand why i should be made to feel like i'm less than everyone else.

i'm not.

and further more, this wasnt even REALLY about my sexuality. i'm not flamboyant and the only thing that made them think i was gay was having a yorkie.

and having a yorkie shouldn't suggest anything about me, other than the fact that i like my dog or my dogs breed.

i do not feel the need to defend myself or my choice in dogs to anyone.

i'm sorry this just really got under my skin. it's not the first time though, nor the last.

Ignorance is bliss to some folks. There is nothing wrong with you or your choices. I am of the state of mind of live and let live so long as they are not hurting anyone with their choices. You are going to run across a lot of bigoted people in life that are not happy with the way you dress, look, eat, etc. So don't pay them any mind. As long as you are a good person that has good morals then I say piss on them.

GeorgiesMomma · 05-30-2006, 06:17 AM

Mikey I am sorry about your loss and that you couldn't share that pain with your family. Have you ever thought of moving? I know several areas including here that are much more tolerant and people have their own business to worry about. My god daughter is gay and I love her just as much now as I did when she kept it a secret. I agree with the mother's know thing, because I was the one that sat her down and told her that regardless of whether she chose to love a man or women I loved her unconditionally (I knew and she didn't even think I knew). From all your posts you sound like a smart, caring and good human being that is what is most important in life. The world could use more people like you, regardless of your sexual preference. Stay strong and be who you are, let other people's misconceptions worry them not you.

Rem&Silkmom · 05-30-2006, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey

i want all of you to know how much i appreciate your support. it's not terribly hard to overlook those rednecks, but still, in the back of my mind there is that constant feeling that maybe they are right. maybe i am a freak. maybe being gay really is as disgusting as they think.

i know this isnt really the place to talk about this but.. i dunno. i wish i was straight. i would give anything to have had a more normal life and not had this burden of being "different."

but honestly, i've tried to be with girls. i tried SO HARD because i know the consequences of ending up with a male. i know how dissapointed my family will be. and "dissapointed" is an understatement. i wont have a wedding with my family. my love wont be celebrated or even aknowledged by my own family. that's a hard pill to swallow.

through all the trying and forcing myself to feel feelings for females, i realized that i'm denying who i am, what i am. i cant spend the rest of my life trying to appease everyone else. it wouldnt be fair to the girl or to me. and if anyone chooses to have negative feelings towards me for being honest about who i am, then so be it. i'm just being honest.

females can not fullfill me emotionally or sexually. i dont know why. i just know that this is how it is. it's not a choice i made, it's something in my skin, in my blood, it is in my body..

it's hard to hear people say that they dont agree with it, because it's hard to hear that someone does not agree with what feels so natural to me. but i do understand that people have their own opinions and i can accept that. and i truly appreciate people respecting my right to my own opinions.

my last relationship lasted for almost two years. i was very much in love and i thought that we would last and that love would be enough to make it. but it's not. things were hard and trying and.. sigh.. there's a lot of details, but.. he, in january, killed himself. and no one in my family knew. and it's so hard not being able to have my parents know why i barely left my room until march.

i dont know why i'm rambling and telling all this. i guess i just needed to vent. blah.

i'm not saying this to make anyone feel sorry for me. please dont. i'm handling things. i'll be ok, i think. i just said all that to say that being gay doesnt mean you're a frou frou prissy drag queen who hooks up with random guys all the time. i'm not that. i'm nothing close. my relationships are just like anyone elses. we're just like everyone else.

thanks again for all the support and sorry for spilling a portion of my guts.

What a big burden to not be able to share. I feel for you. You are a remarkable person and thank goodness that you seem to have such wonderful self esteem and except the person that you are. That is where is starts accept the person that you are and others will follow. There is always going to be the the ignorant person that judges, just ignore those that make you feel bad. I can say that living with a secret is very hard. I was sexually abused by my father when I was young and it took a neighbor to tell for me. I was to afraid. But I was on the road to recovery once that neighbor helped me. You can always talk to us and vent when you need to....it helps. Btw...my husband is from SC and he talkes like a redneck but he is sweet and loves both of our dogs...and his brother was gay.

Jaspermom · 05-30-2006, 06:55 AM

What an AMAZING man you are!

May I adopt you???

You have tolerated a lot in the interest of remaining true to yourself, and I respect you so much for that. But honey, to not share your loss of a loved one because of your relationship is not right. I can understand how timid you may feel about it because you are sweet to be concerned about OTHER people's feelings, but Mikey, you need to give YOUR loved ones the honor of comforting you.

I have asked my son on more than one occasion if he is gay. He always laughs and says, "Mom, stop it, if I were, I would certainly tell you!" He knows that I would accept him in all ways, shapes, and forms he decides to take because I am his mother and I adore him no matter what. I would hope that your mom would feel the same.

My condolences on the loss of your troubled ex-boyfriend. It's so sad when people end their own lives.

And Mikey, MOVE out of MS, honey chile!!! You need to move to Boston, or NJ, or San Francisco!! Life will be WONDERFUL in a world that accepts YOU for what YOU ARE!! Just like we do!!
HUGS!

05-29-2006, 04:55 PM	#32
LaviniaHyacynth Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: montclair,nj Posts: 925	Mikey, I am so glad that you and Baxter and all of your friends are safe. I am sorry you had to run into such a lousy group of ignorant people. You did the smart thing by walking away.....people like that are certainly not worth harming yourself. Think of it as their loss .....I certainly do .....My very best friends are gay and my world would not be the same without them. Hugs to you and your pup. __________________ Rest in peace my sweet angel dog, Lavinia Hyacynth, Vivi. I love you forever. Bear healed my broken heart!

05-29-2006, 06:51 PM	#33
bettyeanne Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama, etc. Posts: 9,031	Mikey, I have admired your maturity ever since you joined this forum ... I believe you are only 20? I am even more impressed by the mature way you handled that situation! It's sad to say, but there are "those" people in this world and have to be tolerated. Also, to "assume" just because of your Yorkie just further demonstrated their ignorance! I'd like to hear someone insult my great big manly husband that way ... he adores Toto and doesn't care who knows it ... he proudly carries her in public like she is gold! I lost one of my best friends a few years ago to cancer [he was a gay man] and I often wish that he could have known our Toto ... he was such an animal lover and would have adored her! I miss him every single day. Please do be careful though, there are stupid, ignorant people in this world and they are even meaner when they are drinking and "running in packs"!! __________________ Toto's Mom - http://www.dogster.com/?206581 Yorkie Rescue Colorado - http://www.yorkierescuecolorado.com/ "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." -- Albert Einstein

05-29-2006, 08:32 PM	#34
mikey Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 142	i want all of you to know how much i appreciate your support. it's not terribly hard to overlook those rednecks, but still, in the back of my mind there is that constant feeling that maybe they are right. maybe i am a freak. maybe being gay really is as disgusting as they think. i know this isnt really the place to talk about this but.. i dunno. i wish i was straight. i would give anything to have had a more normal life and not had this burden of being "different." but honestly, i've tried to be with girls. i tried SO HARD because i know the consequences of ending up with a male. i know how dissapointed my family will be. and "dissapointed" is an understatement. i wont have a wedding with my family. my love wont be celebrated or even aknowledged by my own family. that's a hard pill to swallow. through all the trying and forcing myself to feel feelings for females, i realized that i'm denying who i am, what i am. i cant spend the rest of my life trying to appease everyone else. it wouldnt be fair to the girl or to me. and if anyone chooses to have negative feelings towards me for being honest about who i am, then so be it. i'm just being honest. females can not fullfill me emotionally or sexually. i dont know why. i just know that this is how it is. it's not a choice i made, it's something in my skin, in my blood, it is in my body.. it's hard to hear people say that they dont agree with it, because it's hard to hear that someone does not agree with what feels so natural to me. but i do understand that people have their own opinions and i can accept that. and i truly appreciate people respecting my right to my own opinions. my last relationship lasted for almost two years. i was very much in love and i thought that we would last and that love would be enough to make it. but it's not. things were hard and trying and.. sigh.. there's a lot of details, but.. he, in january, killed himself. and no one in my family knew. and it's so hard not being able to have my parents know why i barely left my room until march. i dont know why i'm rambling and telling all this. i guess i just needed to vent. blah. i'm not saying this to make anyone feel sorry for me. please dont. i'm handling things. i'll be ok, i think. i just said all that to say that being gay doesnt mean you're a frou frou prissy drag queen who hooks up with random guys all the time. i'm not that. i'm nothing close. my relationships are just like anyone elses. we're just like everyone else. thanks again for all the support and sorry for spilling a portion of my guts. Last edited by mikey; 05-29-2006 at 08:35 PM.

05-29-2006, 09:25 PM	#36
Adryana Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 68	Hi Mikey, First off, you are not a freak. You are a wonderful, clearly intelligent, loving human being. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with being gay. NOTHING. I'm so sorry that your x-boyfriend passed and that you were unable to share that with anyone in your family. I live in Los Angeles and most people are very tolerant here. I think its very different where you live and I'm sorry for that. People are ignorant and because of it they make poor decisions and lash out in horrible, inexcusable ways. Continue to be who you are and don't ever be ashamed of it. I am very impressed with the way you handled that ugly situation with the rednecks. When times are tough at least you have your beautiful baby yorkie All my best, Adryana __________________ Preston's Mommy

05-29-2006, 09:29 PM	#37
Adryana Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 68	...one other thing... I know it's not a choice...you did not chose to be gay. You are born who you are and you are beautiful. __________________ Preston's Mommy

05-29-2006, 08:47 PM	#35
Annie&Badger YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 284	Oh wow. Your poor thing. Your friend died and you told no-one in your family?! How awful for you!! Of course you shouldn't feel bad about being gay. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's just a sexual and to some extent a lifestyle choice - there is categorically nothing wrong with it and you are certainly not a 'freak'! I know things are different in America but personally I believe gay people should be allowed to get married and they do here in England without so much as anyone batting an eyelash. Being able to love like that is not just confined to the relationship between men and women and you should have the right to have a special day for your family. Do they know you're gay? It's a shame there are so many narrow-minded idiots in the world who dictate their values on other people. I know the choice to be gay is a very different one but you are 100% right in that it is your life and you must live it the way it makes you happiest. Being happy is such a rare thing in this world so if you can find the chance to grab some, then you must. You shouldn't feel bad about letting out your feelings here. I'm sure everyone thinks the world of you and you sound pretty fabulous to me. Don't let them get you down, love xxx

05-29-2006, 09:36 PM	#38
Annie&Badger YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 284	Exactly. And God makes you the way you are because he wants you to be that way. If people judge and condemn you, then they are judging and condemning God. It's that simple

05-29-2006, 10:36 PM	#39
chelbuddy Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 267	Mikey, I'm so glad that you are able to share all of this here...I am so glad you walked away from those awful people - it shows what a strong person you are - what strength you have access to - and how smart you are. Here in San Francisco I feel somewhat isolated from incidents like the one you describe - I'm grateful for this "safe haven" for my friends, but at the same time don't want to forget that there is still so much ignorance and hatred out there. I'm so sorry for your loss...and I hope that all of us being here for you is some comfort. And I'm so glad you have Baxxxter!

05-30-2006, 05:35 AM	#40
cindy0721 Always In My Heart Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 3,393	I'm so sorry for your loss ... but things will get better... you know your mom might just surprise you with her reaction if you ever did decide to tell her, mom's always know their kids , she might already know ya know....and don't feel bad you have ONE BIG OL' FAMILY HERE! Who will support you and accept you for the person you are.. and heck if you invite us ..most of us will probably go to your wedding .... take care and always look up... __________________ Cindy & Gizmo Gizmo on Dogster *Rest in peace My Madda* *very much*

05-30-2006, 06:06 AM	#41
doggrooming YT Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: foss, ok Posts: 321	I am sorry to hear about your loss. I won't insult you and say I know how you feel because I don't I have never lost anyone that close to me. There is nothing wrong with who you are. Just be yourself. I"ll come to your wedding if you invite me. You sound like a great person. LOTS of HUGS being sent your way. __________________ Bumblebees Mommy

05-30-2006, 06:17 AM	#43
GeorgiesMomma I love TBCG! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MD Posts: 7,227	Mikey I am sorry about your loss and that you couldn't share that pain with your family. Have you ever thought of moving? I know several areas including here that are much more tolerant and people have their own business to worry about. My god daughter is gay and I love her just as much now as I did when she kept it a secret. I agree with the mother's know thing, because I was the one that sat her down and told her that regardless of whether she chose to love a man or women I loved her unconditionally (I knew and she didn't even think I knew). From all your posts you sound like a smart, caring and good human being that is what is most important in life. The world could use more people like you, regardless of your sexual preference. Stay strong and be who you are, let other people's misconceptions worry them not you. __________________ Morgan Mommy toGeorgie boy & Isaiah RIP sweet Coco 10/12/99-8/1/12 Read About Georgie's Experience with Atlantoaxial Instability (AAI) Here!

05-30-2006, 06:55 AM	#45
Jaspermom Yorkies Rock My World! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,721	Mikey... What an AMAZING man you are! May I adopt you??? You have tolerated a lot in the interest of remaining true to yourself, and I respect you so much for that. But honey, to not share your loss of a loved one because of your relationship is not right. I can understand how timid you may feel about it because you are sweet to be concerned about OTHER people's feelings, but Mikey, you need to give YOUR loved ones the honor of comforting you. I have asked my son on more than one occasion if he is gay. He always laughs and says, "Mom, stop it, if I were, I would certainly tell you!" He knows that I would accept him in all ways, shapes, and forms he decides to take because I am his mother and I adore him no matter what. I would hope that your mom would feel the same. My condolences on the loss of your troubled ex-boyfriend. It's so sad when people end their own lives. And Mikey, MOVE out of MS, honey chile!!! You need to move to Boston, or NJ, or San Francisco!! Life will be WONDERFUL in a world that accepts YOU for what YOU ARE!! Just like we do!! HUGS! __________________ Glad Mom to Jasper, Wosie & Dreama, RIP sweet babies.