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vcabbyw · 01-21-2006, 02:18 PM

I think I counted about 18 kennels, and she has 12 Yorkies listed on her site, not including if she has any puppies for sale. On top of that she says she works, has KIDS, has other farm animals, and I see other dogs that are not Yorkies outside her kennel. Theres just no way she can give all these Yorkies attention that they SHOULD have. Now if she didnt have kids, and didnt work... that would be a different story. All of that just makes me suspicious of whether or not she is really in it for the $$$ not quality like she says.

SnowWa · 01-21-2006, 02:22 PM

This person is obviously a breeder - and has a lot of animals.

After watching Animal Planet - and many situations (even people's homes) that dogs live in and are bred in, I think this kennel is like animal heaven. It's the cleanest place I've ever seen. Her cages are a decent size for a tiny Yorkie to stay in for a while every day. (Mine spends a good portion of the day sleeping on a chair -even when I'm home.) She has a grooming area (wow!). She has an outdoor area for the dogs where they can play and socialize. I think her facility is wonderful. I wish I had an area like that so my dog could go out without a leash.

As was mentioned, she did state that the cages are safe places for her animals to stay while she's at work.

I can't critize this person's facilities - her dogs are clean, well fed, safe, groomed, get to go outside and get fresh air and socialize, etc. etc. etc. They all look happy and healthy to me --- and the pups will be going off to wonderful new homes. I would suppose that the older Yorkies are their pets.

This person is raising dogs to sell. She's a breeder. I think this is a reputable business. And, she has built as near-perfect a place to do this as possible - as far as I'm concerned.

If you bred dogs and had several dogs with litters of pups - what better type facility could you have..what could you do that would be better. Please - don't tell me they'd all be running around your house!!! (I can see this with one or two dogs and one litter - but not if you're a serious breeder and have more dogs.)

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I would think that some of you more serious breeders on YT - would love to have a facility like this (or even a smaller one) for your dogs. Having this area doesn't mean they can't come out and be with the family - and, it looks like her dogs do.
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I think we're running out of things to complain about!!!!! I haven't read all the posts - but wish the owner of this kennel could come aboard and tell us more about herself and her dogs.

I do think that deliberately breeding such "tiny little Yorkies" is not what most of us like to see being done - but I'm afraid that that's going to go on for a while.

Carol Jean

PS: As far as birds go - I have several friends who raise and breed birds. And, stacked cages, (if you have many birds) are the normal and acceptable way to keep them. And, believe me, the birds are fine. I have a very large cage with one bird (a Sun Conure) -- and he wouldn't care if there were another bird cage above or beneath him. He would probably enjoy the company. ----But - one bird is enough for me!

tmatherly · 01-21-2006, 04:05 PM

I think everyone has handled this thread so well!! It could have been so controversial, but it was very respectful. I had mixed feelings when I saw the sight. First, because I live in Arkansas (Chechinpo-you have a knack for finding Arkansas kennels! Pick on Kansas or Oklahoma a little...JUST KIDDING YOU GUYS!!!!) I was half expecting to see those nasty people with the dirty house and sad yorkies again-Chechinpo found that one and it was truly sad..I don't know how to post a link for within YT or I'd do it. Second, I was taken aback a little at the stacked cages...then I had to remember that I crate my babies, and they actually go to the crate themselves when they need alone time in their little den. Since we don't know how long they stay in the cages, there's no way to make a judgement either way. Their dogs look well cared for, it certainly would be interesting to hear from the owner.

SnowWa · 01-21-2006, 05:11 PM

My friend stacks her kids. They have a bunk bed! (They begged for it for years.)

Again - I think the fact that one cage is above another has nothing to do with the health or welfare of the dogs. I sure they could care less about that. It just makes it look more like a pet store, and I'm sure that's what is bothering a lot of people.

I don't think anyone can come up a reason that a dog wouldn't like another dog above, below, or beside him.

My one dog sleeps on an overstuffed chair seat and the other sleeps above him on top of the chair for hours ever day. One of my dogs often takes a nap underneath the birdcage (which is on a stand) - and neither the bird or dog care about that. I have triple decker birdhouses on trees in my back yard. The birds move into all of three them, lay eggs, and happily raise their young.

I can't see why stacked cages should cause any concern. None of the dogs are in these cages all the time. The puppies are with their mothers and then move on to new homes. There is an outdoor play area - they are out being groomed, and they are out with their owners other times also.

This new facility that the breeder built is obviously something she is very proud of and no doubt a great improvement over what she had before. I don't know what I could have done that would be any better than what she did.

What would you guys have done differently - if you were raising and breeding dogs and had that many animals???

Carol Jean

StewiesMom · 01-21-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowWa

I don't think anyone can come up a reason that a dog wouldn't like another dog above, below, or beside him.

Excretement dripping down; not being able to see the animals with whom you're sharing your air space with

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Originally Posted by SnowWa

What would you guys have done differently - if you were raising and breeding dogs and had that many animals???

I would never have that many animals. I think it's wrong.

Laura · 01-21-2006, 06:48 PM

I noticed that this website is from about July 2004 last updated? I just wonder how much Yorkie's would cost if only home breeders bred them. This seems to be a beautiful professional facility. And with my own 6 pups, even though they are underfoot all day, I never run out of time to be with them all. I think I could love 12, too. Not that I would want to. But even back in 2004 at least three of her dams were too young to breed and it seemed that she had only about 3 pups, all of which had been spoken for.??

SnowWa · 01-21-2006, 10:56 PM

Stackable cages usually have solid floors - or slide ins that create a solid floor and keep anything from one cage falling down to another.

Of course, a lot of us wouldn't want that many dogs - but most of us just have pets - we aren't into breeding other than an occasional litter. And, many of us have several pets - and have never considered breeding.....this is me!

And- I'm not sure how many dogs this woman has. Again, it's too bad we can't hear more about her dogs and her breeding program from her. I think we're doing a lot of judging without a lot of facts.

I still think she has an outstanding facility and can't help but think that it is obvious that she takes good care of her animals. Until I learn differently, I can't find much to critize her about. And - don't we know for a fact that many little Yorkies in private homes don't get half the care that she appears to be providing her dogs.

Carol Jean

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-22-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SnowWa

Stackable cages usually have solid floors - or slide ins that create a solid floor and keep anything from one cage falling down to another.

Of course, a lot of us wouldn't want that many dogs - but most of us just have pets - we aren't into breeding other than an occasional litter. And, many of us have several pets - and have never considered breeding.....this is me!

And- I'm not sure how many dogs this woman has. Again, it's too bad we can't hear more about her dogs and her breeding program from her. I think we're doing a lot of judging without a lot of facts.

I still think she has an outstanding facility and can't help but think that it is obvious that she takes good care of her animals. Until I learn differently, I can't find much to critize her about. And - don't we know for a fact that many little Yorkies in private homes don't get half the care that she appears to be providing her dogs.

Carol Jean

Very well said.

vcabbyw · 01-22-2006, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SnowWa

I can't see why stacked cages should cause any concern. None of the dogs are in these cages all the time. The puppies are with their mothers and then move on to new homes. There is an outdoor play area - they are out being groomed, and they are out with their owners other times also.

What would you guys have done differently - if you were raising and breeding dogs and had that many animals???

Carol Jean

First of all, I wouldnt even have that many animals to begin with. Mainly because theres just no way to give them enough attention when you have a normal job plus kids. Its hard enough when I already have ONE Yorkie, plus two rabbits to give attention to. I know that pets take alot of work, and you have to give alot of attention to keep them happy. I just think its selfish to expect an animal to live in a cage because thats all they know.

I know we dont know the real story, but back in 2004.. from her site she said that she has: KIDS, another JOB, 18 kennels, atleast 12 Yorkies, plus whatever liters at that time, plus other dogs that we can see in the pictures. I dont think its wrong to assume that from what she told us on her site that theres just no way she has enough time to play & give attention to ALLL of them, unless she hired someone else to or didnt have another job.

I know that you think differently, but I just dont think any animal should live the majority of their days in a cage, EVEN if they get fed well, well groomed, come out for some time after work (like she said) and have proper vet care. I dont care if they are stacked two high, or are large areas, its the lack of personal attention that Im worried about.

If I lived in a crate as a baby, and spend the majority of the day there, of course I wouldnt think it was bad place, it would be all that I knew.. but that doesnt make it right. Dogs can be trained to live in a majority of different places, doesnt make it right though. My rabbit can live fine in a small cage, and seems happy. But you can see the difference in his behavior when he is able to live a free life in my home and has access to his cage on his terms only.

SnowWa · 01-22-2006, 01:48 PM

We worry about having too many pets - and I have friends who practically have zoos. I'm talking about a couple dogs, cats, lizards, birds, a horse or two, a couple rabbits, and a goat (this is one friend I have). She and her husband have three kids - they live outside of town and all love and take care of all the pets -- to say nothing of all the company they have that goes over and enjoys them too.

I live alone and have two dogs and one bird (used to have two cats also) - and, believe me, I have enough pets for just me.

A lot of having pets and caring for them depends on a person's or family's lifestyle and the environment they live in.

I work part time, but have a big house, and I am a real stay at home. This helps me be more able to care for several pets. I do think though that if I were younger and had a husband and children and lived outside of town - that I would love having more animals and really enjoy them and we'd all be able to care for them and give them a lot of attention.

Some people almost devote their lives to their pets - other people have many other interests, and still enjoy having a pet.

I think the number of pets people have depends on their environment, the number of people in a family, and the amount of time they are willing to spend and enjoy with their animals.

Yes = of course - I think if people have more animals then they can care for -this is bad!

I read a lot of "I wouldn't do this..." or "I wouldn't do that....," which is fine. But that doesn't mean that everyone has the same preferences and enjoyments in life. We shouldn't be so fast to judge or expect other people to live in whatever manner that we have chosen for ourselves.

One of my friends has seven children - I wouldn't go there in a million years - but she and her husband love and enjoy their big family to pieces. And, I won't even tell you how many pets they have...

Carol Jean

mybirdys2003 · 01-23-2006, 09:55 AM

[ QUOTE=SnowWa]We worry about having too many pets - and I have friends who practically have zoos. I'm talking about a couple dogs, cats, lizards, birds, a horse or two, a couple rabbits, and a goat (this is one friend I have). She and her husband have three kids - they live outside of town and all love and take care of all the pets -- to say nothing of all the company they have that goes over and enjoys them too.

I live alone and have two dogs and one bird (used to have two cats also) - and, believe me, I have enough pets for just me.

A lot of having pets and caring for them depends on a person's or family's lifestyle and the environment they live in.

I work part time, but have a big house, and I am a real stay at home. This helps me be more able to care for several pets. I do think though that if I were younger and had a husband and children and lived outside of town - that I would love having more animals and really enjoy them and we'd all be able to care for them and give them a lot of attention.

Some people almost devote their lives to their pets - other people have many other interests, and still enjoy having a pet.

I think the number of pets people have depends on their environment, the number of people in a family, and the amount of time they are willing to spend and enjoy with their animals.

Yes = of course - I think if people have more animals then they can care for -this is bad!

I read a lot of "I wouldn't do this..." or "I wouldn't do that....," which is fine. But that doesn't mean that everyone has the same preferences and enjoyments in life. We shouldn't be so fast to judge or expect other people to live in whatever manner that we have chosen for ourselves.

One of my friends has seven children - I wouldn't go there in a million years - but she and her husband love and enjoy their big family to pieces. And, I won't even tell you how many pets they have...

Carol Jean[/QUOTE]
What kind of bird do you have? Just interested as I have a Green Cheek Conure and a Blue Crown Conure who talks up a storm. Besides my Yorkie, he is the love of my life! Such a sweet desposition and really talks in context.
Pat

01-21-2006, 02:18 PM	#46
vcabbyw YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 273	I think I counted about 18 kennels, and she has 12 Yorkies listed on her site, not including if she has any puppies for sale. On top of that she says she works, has KIDS, has other farm animals, and I see other dogs that are not Yorkies outside her kennel. Theres just no way she can give all these Yorkies attention that they SHOULD have. Now if she didnt have kids, and didnt work... that would be a different story. All of that just makes me suspicious of whether or not she is really in it for the $$$ not quality like she says. __________________ *ApriL and Turbie* I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult. -Rita Rudner

01-21-2006, 02:22 PM	#47
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	This person is obviously a breeder - and has a lot of animals. After watching Animal Planet - and many situations (even people's homes) that dogs live in and are bred in, I think this kennel is like animal heaven. It's the cleanest place I've ever seen. Her cages are a decent size for a tiny Yorkie to stay in for a while every day. (Mine spends a good portion of the day sleeping on a chair -even when I'm home.) She has a grooming area (wow!). She has an outdoor area for the dogs where they can play and socialize. I think her facility is wonderful. I wish I had an area like that so my dog could go out without a leash. As was mentioned, she did state that the cages are safe places for her animals to stay while she's at work. I can't critize this person's facilities - her dogs are clean, well fed, safe, groomed, get to go outside and get fresh air and socialize, etc. etc. etc. They all look happy and healthy to me --- and the pups will be going off to wonderful new homes. I would suppose that the older Yorkies are their pets. This person is raising dogs to sell. She's a breeder. I think this is a reputable business. And, she has built as near-perfect a place to do this as possible - as far as I'm concerned. If you bred dogs and had several dogs with litters of pups - what better type facility could you have..what could you do that would be better. Please - don't tell me they'd all be running around your house!!! (I can see this with one or two dogs and one litter - but not if you're a serious breeder and have more dogs.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I would think that some of you more serious breeders on YT - would love to have a facility like this (or even a smaller one) for your dogs. Having this area doesn't mean they can't come out and be with the family - and, it looks like her dogs do. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I think we're running out of things to complain about!!!!! I haven't read all the posts - but wish the owner of this kennel could come aboard and tell us more about herself and her dogs. I do think that deliberately breeding such "tiny little Yorkies" is not what most of us like to see being done - but I'm afraid that that's going to go on for a while. Carol Jean PS: As far as birds go - I have several friends who raise and breed birds. And, stacked cages, (if you have many birds) are the normal and acceptable way to keep them. And, believe me, the birds are fine. I have a very large cage with one bird (a Sun Conure) -- and he wouldn't care if there were another bird cage above or beneath him. He would probably enjoy the company. ----But - one bird is enough for me! __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words. Last edited by SnowWa; 01-21-2006 at 02:27 PM.

01-21-2006, 04:05 PM	#48
tmatherly Razorback Yorkie Lover Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bentonville, AR Posts: 2,056	I think everyone has handled this thread so well!! It could have been so controversial, but it was very respectful. I had mixed feelings when I saw the sight. First, because I live in Arkansas (Chechinpo-you have a knack for finding Arkansas kennels! Pick on Kansas or Oklahoma a little...JUST KIDDING YOU GUYS!!!!) I was half expecting to see those nasty people with the dirty house and sad yorkies again-Chechinpo found that one and it was truly sad..I don't know how to post a link for within YT or I'd do it. Second, I was taken aback a little at the stacked cages...then I had to remember that I crate my babies, and they actually go to the crate themselves when they need alone time in their little den. Since we don't know how long they stay in the cages, there's no way to make a judgement either way. Their dogs look well cared for, it certainly would be interesting to hear from the owner. __________________ Tiffany Pippa, Scout, and Ranger's Mom http://www.dogster.com/?198523 http://www.dogster.com/?198525

01-21-2006, 05:11 PM	#49
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	My friend stacks her kids. They have a bunk bed! (They begged for it for years.) Again - I think the fact that one cage is above another has nothing to do with the health or welfare of the dogs. I sure they could care less about that. It just makes it look more like a pet store, and I'm sure that's what is bothering a lot of people. I don't think anyone can come up a reason that a dog wouldn't like another dog above, below, or beside him. My one dog sleeps on an overstuffed chair seat and the other sleeps above him on top of the chair for hours ever day. One of my dogs often takes a nap underneath the birdcage (which is on a stand) - and neither the bird or dog care about that. I have triple decker birdhouses on trees in my back yard. The birds move into all of three them, lay eggs, and happily raise their young. I can't see why stacked cages should cause any concern. None of the dogs are in these cages all the time. The puppies are with their mothers and then move on to new homes. There is an outdoor play area - they are out being groomed, and they are out with their owners other times also. This new facility that the breeder built is obviously something she is very proud of and no doubt a great improvement over what she had before. I don't know what I could have done that would be any better than what she did. What would you guys have done differently - if you were raising and breeding dogs and had that many animals??? Carol Jean __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words.

01-21-2006, 06:48 PM	#51
Laura Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX Posts: 1,577	I noticed that this website is from about July 2004 last updated? I just wonder how much Yorkie's would cost if only home breeders bred them. This seems to be a beautiful professional facility. And with my own 6 pups, even though they are underfoot all day, I never run out of time to be with them all. I think I could love 12, too. Not that I would want to. But even back in 2004 at least three of her dams were too young to breed and it seemed that she had only about 3 pups, all of which had been spoken for.?? __________________ Laura--loving mom of Robyn, Dexter, Sandy, Mattie, Sammy, Jake & Mollie http://www.yorkietalk.com/gallery/sh...00&ppuser=1851

01-21-2006, 10:56 PM	#52
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	Stackable cages usually have solid floors - or slide ins that create a solid floor and keep anything from one cage falling down to another. Of course, a lot of us wouldn't want that many dogs - but most of us just have pets - we aren't into breeding other than an occasional litter. And, many of us have several pets - and have never considered breeding.....this is me! And- I'm not sure how many dogs this woman has. Again, it's too bad we can't hear more about her dogs and her breeding program from her. I think we're doing a lot of judging without a lot of facts. I still think she has an outstanding facility and can't help but think that it is obvious that she takes good care of her animals. Until I learn differently, I can't find much to critize her about. And - don't we know for a fact that many little Yorkies in private homes don't get half the care that she appears to be providing her dogs. Carol Jean __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words.

01-22-2006, 01:48 PM	#55
SnowWa YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,992	We worry about having too many pets - and I have friends who practically have zoos. I'm talking about a couple dogs, cats, lizards, birds, a horse or two, a couple rabbits, and a goat (this is one friend I have). She and her husband have three kids - they live outside of town and all love and take care of all the pets -- to say nothing of all the company they have that goes over and enjoys them too. I live alone and have two dogs and one bird (used to have two cats also) - and, believe me, I have enough pets for just me. A lot of having pets and caring for them depends on a person's or family's lifestyle and the environment they live in. I work part time, but have a big house, and I am a real stay at home. This helps me be more able to care for several pets. I do think though that if I were younger and had a husband and children and lived outside of town - that I would love having more animals and really enjoy them and we'd all be able to care for them and give them a lot of attention. Some people almost devote their lives to their pets - other people have many other interests, and still enjoy having a pet. I think the number of pets people have depends on their environment, the number of people in a family, and the amount of time they are willing to spend and enjoy with their animals. Yes = of course - I think if people have more animals then they can care for -this is bad! I read a lot of "I wouldn't do this..." or "I wouldn't do that....," which is fine. But that doesn't mean that everyone has the same preferences and enjoyments in life. We shouldn't be so fast to judge or expect other people to live in whatever manner that we have chosen for ourselves. One of my friends has seven children - I wouldn't go there in a million years - but she and her husband love and enjoy their big family to pieces. And, I won't even tell you how many pets they have... Carol Jean __________________ http://tinypic.com/ipxhmb.jpg A Yorkie is worth a thousand words.

01-23-2006, 09:55 AM	#56
mybirdys2003 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 980	[ QUOTE=SnowWa]We worry about having too many pets - and I have friends who practically have zoos. I'm talking about a couple dogs, cats, lizards, birds, a horse or two, a couple rabbits, and a goat (this is one friend I have). She and her husband have three kids - they live outside of town and all love and take care of all the pets -- to say nothing of all the company they have that goes over and enjoys them too. I live alone and have two dogs and one bird (used to have two cats also) - and, believe me, I have enough pets for just me. A lot of having pets and caring for them depends on a person's or family's lifestyle and the environment they live in. I work part time, but have a big house, and I am a real stay at home. This helps me be more able to care for several pets. I do think though that if I were younger and had a husband and children and lived outside of town - that I would love having more animals and really enjoy them and we'd all be able to care for them and give them a lot of attention. Some people almost devote their lives to their pets - other people have many other interests, and still enjoy having a pet. I think the number of pets people have depends on their environment, the number of people in a family, and the amount of time they are willing to spend and enjoy with their animals. Yes = of course - I think if people have more animals then they can care for -this is bad! I read a lot of "I wouldn't do this..." or "I wouldn't do that....," which is fine. But that doesn't mean that everyone has the same preferences and enjoyments in life. We shouldn't be so fast to judge or expect other people to live in whatever manner that we have chosen for ourselves. One of my friends has seven children - I wouldn't go there in a million years - but she and her husband love and enjoy their big family to pieces. And, I won't even tell you how many pets they have... Carol Jean[/QUOTE] What kind of bird do you have? Just interested as I have a Green Cheek Conure and a Blue Crown Conure who talks up a storm. Besides my Yorkie, he is the love of my life! Such a sweet desposition and really talks in context. Pat