Biewer Yorkie Breeder

[Alona123]

Hello everyone - my name is Agnes and I love animals and lived with a few of them all my life. I was a small pedigree cat breeder for 13 years but due to allergies I had to place them. I love breeding and always wanted to breed dogs but they require more time and attention than cats. Now that I am retired I can devote lots of time and attention to them. I've been toying with this ideal checking out the different breeds now for a couple of years and I've decided to take the plunge this year and soon discovered that it's not easy to find Biewer Yorkies in Canada. I finally have the different dogs I want and now I'm wondering if my male may be too short on legs for some of my girls as I have one girl in season and he can't seem to do anything with her. He is a 5 year old proven stud and she is a 2 year old virgin. Open to suggestions...

[Pup2016]

I would recommend you look for a breeders forum. This is mostly for pet owners who are not interested in breeding. I am not a breeder, but I could answer your question.

However, the fact that you are asking it makes me nervous. This is a simple question, with a simple answer, yet it leads me to believe you are breeding without enough knowledge.

Asking pet owners for breeding advice is going to cause flaming. I am being gentle here.

Truly, you need a mentor and a specialty reproductive veterinarian to do this properly. Toy breeds are different, and much different than cats. The cost of doing it properly is very high.

Please get your help from breeders. Good luck.

[Alona123]

Whoa Igoogled a breeders question and this site came up so I thought it was abreeders site, I didn't realize it was for pet owners only – I alsothought that I seen a number of categories including one labelled breeding.



Inthe meantime, that is all you needed to say but since you say you couldanswer my question - why didn't you? Ah I get it, you are one of those maulmouths who likes to try and make others look and feel bad pretending to besomething you’re not.



Myquestion makes you nervous and leads you to believe that I am breeding withoutenough knowledge. Really, my question should have made you realize that I washumble enough to ask it, and it should show that I am determined enough tolearn not just from books and internet but also from other breeder’sexperience.



Youmy dear do not have the right to assume anything about anyone - I have 2mentors actually, and plenty of breeder friends and the internet is full ofinformation that I have studied over the years. Breeders of all sorts askvarious questions, and we enjoy sharing our info and no question is stupid –the only thing that is stupid is the question that is not asked.



Mydogs are first and foremost my pets. We hold girls so they don’t scare anddamage themselves or the male during a tie but I am not interested in holdingand guiding or AI’s to ensure a breeding. My 5 year old male is proven withvarious girls of different sizes, and I was just fishing for suggestions causemany times people try little things like giving the male something to elevatehimself on or just using what many calls a breeding mat, etc.



Peoplelike you need to find a different site to be on - I am and have been a petowner and dealt with pet owners all my life and I know from experiencethat for the most part they are all loving caring people who lovesharing info, obviously you’re not one of them.

[Alona123]

Whoa I googled a breeders question and this site came up so I thought it was a breeders site, I didn't realize it was for pet owners only – I also thought that I seen a number of categories including one labelled breeding.

In the meantime, that is all you needed to say but since you say you could answer my question - why didn't you? Ah I get it, you are one of those maul mouths who likes to try and make others look and feel bad pretending to be something you’re not.

My question makes you nervous and leads you to believe that I am breeding without enough knowledge. Really, my question should have made you realize that I was humble enough to ask it, and it should show that I am determined enough to learn not just from books and internet but also from other breeder's experience.

You my dear do not have the right to assume anything about anyone - I have 2 mentors actually, and plenty of breeder friends and the internet is full of information that I have studied over the years. Breeders of all sorts ask various questions, and we enjoy sharing our info and no question is stupid –the only thing that is stupid is the question that is not asked.

My dogs are first and foremost my pets. We hold girls so they don’t scare and damage themselves or the male during a tie but I am not interested in holding and guiding or AI’s to ensure a breeding. My 5 year old male is proven with various girls of different sizes, and I was just fishing for suggestions cause many times people try little things like giving the male something to elevate himself on or just using what many calls a breeding mat, etc.

People like you need to find a different site to be on - I am and have been a pet owner and dealt with pet owners all my life and I know from experience that for the most part they are all loving caring people who love sharing info, obviously you’re not one of them.


Thank you for the warm welcome - not

[Lovetodream88]

You should never breed without a mentor period. The mentor should be able to answer all your questions. Asking questions about breeding on a message board means you are not ready to breed and that is scary because you could lose your female!

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Alona123

Whoa I googled a breeders question and this site came up so I thought it was a breeders site, I didn't realize it was for pet owners only – I also thought that I seen a number of categories including one labelled breeding.

In the meantime, that is all you needed to say but since you say you could answer my question - why didn't you? Ah I get it, you are one of those maul mouths who likes to try and make others look and feel bad pretending to be something you’re not.

My question makes you nervous and leads you to believe that I am breeding without enough knowledge. Really, my question should have made you realize that I was humble enough to ask it, and it should show that I am determined enough to learn not just from books and internet but also from other breeder's experience.

You my dear do not have the right to assume anything about anyone - I have 2 mentors actually, and plenty of breeder friends and the internet is full of information that I have studied over the years. Breeders of all sorts ask various questions, and we enjoy sharing our info and no question is stupid –the only thing that is stupid is the question that is not asked.

My dogs are first and foremost my pets. We hold girls so they don’t scare and damage themselves or the male during a tie but I am not interested in holding and guiding or AI’s to ensure a breeding. My 5 year old male is proven with various girls of different sizes, and I was just fishing for suggestions cause many times people try little things like giving the male something to elevate himself on or just using what many calls a breeding mat, etc.

People like you need to find a different site to be on - I am and have been a pet owner and dealt with pet owners all my life and I know from experience that for the most part they are all loving caring people who love sharing info, obviously you’re not one of them.


Thank you for the warm welcome - not

Just WOW on your response. ACTUALLY this site does have a breeders forum, MAYBE you need to go to that section.

[Alona123]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

You should never breed without a mentor period. The mentor should be able to answer all your questions. Asking questions about breeding on a message board means you are not ready to breed and that is scary because you could lose your female!

Really, people should not reply on a thread without at least reading the original and other posts on that thread - my original post said I was open to suggestions regarding my male being a little shorter than my female – not exactly a question anyway – just a statement to open up a friendly discussion – and automatically you people jump on a band wagon assuming I don’t have enough knowledge or don’t have a mentor so shouldn’t breed. I think I stated in my 2nd post that I had two mentors – I discussed this with both of them and neither had this problem before and both suggested a few things including AI’s which I have no intentions of doing – I also have a vet who says she is healthy and he sees no reason for her not to breed and said that this sort of thing can and do happen. I was just trying to discern if anyone else may have had the same issue and thought it would be a good topic to discuss on here, apparently not, so be it. BTW IYO what are these message boards for if they are not for asking questions and having discussions. Personally I fear the know-it-all’s, who think they know so much they don’t need to ask questions.

How do I delete this thread and my membership on here as I like the other members that have left don’t need this crap. Yes, I have read a few of the other negative posts on here - not fit - unfortunately Yorkie Talk is not a friendly forum to be on. You all have a nice day, thank-ya much.....

[Alona123]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

Just WOW on your response. ACTUALLY this site does have a breeders forum, MAYBE you need to go to that section.

Ah thank you for the suggestion, but I'm not going to bother staying on here - Have a nice evening

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Alona123

Really, people should not reply on a thread without at least reading the original and other posts on that thread - my original post said I was open to suggestions regarding my male being a little shorter than my female – not exactly a question anyway – just a statement to open up a friendly discussion – and automatically you people jump on a band wagon assuming I don’t have enough knowledge or don’t have a mentor so shouldn’t breed. I think I stated in my 2nd post that I had two mentors – I discussed this with both of them and neither had this problem before and both suggested a few things including AI’s which I have no intentions of doing – I also have a vet who says she is healthy and he sees no reason for her not to breed and said that this sort of thing can and do happen. I was just trying to discern if anyone else may have had the same issue and thought it would be a good topic to discuss on here, apparently not, so be it. BTW IYO what are these message boards for if they are not for asking questions and having discussions. Personally I fear the know-it-all’s, who think they know so much they don’t need to ask questions.

How do I delete this thread and my membership on here as I like the other members that have left don’t need this crap. Yes, I have read a few of the other negative posts on here - not fit - unfortunately Yorkie Talk is not a friendly forum to be on. You all have a nice day, thank-ya much.....

If you want to be a breeder you really need thick skin..... It's important both your mentors have been breeding for a long time which if they had I feel pretty certain they would have gone through this. Vets are actually not educated in every aspect of breeding, they can say whether the dog is healthy enough to have puppies but they don't know the standards of every dog to know if it is the best example of the breed which you should only be breeding. You also should have gone to each specialist to check every aspect of the dog before breeding that is IF you want to do it right. It scares me when breeders are not willing to learn about breeding right.

[Alona123]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

If you want to be a breeder you really need thick skin..... It's important both your mentors have been breeding for a long time which if they had I feel pretty certain they would have gone through this. Vets are actually not educated in every aspect of breeding, they can say whether the dog is healthy enough to have puppies but they don't know the standards of every dog to know if it is the best example of the breed which you should only be breeding. You also should have gone to each specialist to check every aspect of the dog before breeding that is IF you want to do it right. It scares me when breeders are not willing to learn about breeding right.

No I don’t need a thick skin to be a breeder – I just need what I have a big heart and determination to do what I know and feel is right for me and my dogs. What I don’t need is some random person who doesn’t know me from a hole in the ground judging me based on my simple little introduction to this forum.

I’m not looking for fame or fortune, I’m just doing what I love and enjoy doing –nothing brings me more pleasure than being around animals especially moms with their babies.

True vets don’t know it all, and then again nor does anyone else. We can only work with what we have, and even the best of breeders don’t get it right all the time. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t it the professional show breeders that destroyed every puppy that didn’t meet the breed standards even for something as simple as color – how sad is that – and your scared cause someone may not be breeding right – duh, think again.

As for breed standards – that’s just the show people’s idea of what a breed should look like. Doll face Himalayans are not to breed standards and that is what I started with – then I thought I should do it RIGHT and invested into the SHOW quality Himalayans – biggest mistake I ever made because I went from watching beautiful little doll face Himalayans being happy and playful to watching beautiful little show Himalayans with runny eyes having trouble to breathe due to their short show face – so forget the breed standards for me I will not make that same mistake with my little dogs.

I will not be docking my dog’s tails, and my breeding girls will be at least 6 –8 lbs. For those of you who don’t agree with me, guess what, I’m not asking you too, and nor is it any of your business how I choose to breed my dogs. My goal is to produce happy healthy dogs that pet owners will enjoy, not mutilated ones. I have no intentions of causing my dogs any unnecessary stress or pain to satisfy anyone’s fabricated ideal of what they think they should look like.

Breeding right – according to who – that’s a Joke right!!!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Alona123

No I don’t need a thick skin to be a breeder – I just need what I have a big heart and determination to do what I know and feel is right for me and my dogs. What I don’t need is some random person who doesn’t know me from a hole in the ground judging me based on my simple little introduction to this forum.

I’m not looking for fame or fortune, I’m just doing what I love and enjoy doing –nothing brings me more pleasure than being around animals especially moms with their babies.

True vets don’t know it all, and then again nor does anyone else. We can only work with what we have, and even the best of breeders don’t get it right all the time. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t it the professional show breeders that destroyed every puppy that didn’t meet the breed standards even for something as simple as color – how sad is that – and your scared cause someone may not be breeding right – duh, think again.

As for breed standards – that’s just the show people’s idea of what a breed should look like. Doll face Himalayans are not to breed standards and that is what I started with – then I thought I should do it RIGHT and invested into the SHOW quality Himalayans – biggest mistake I ever made because I went from watching beautiful little doll face Himalayans being happy and playful to watching beautiful little show Himalayans with runny eyes having trouble to breathe due to their short show face – so forget the breed standards for me I will not make that same mistake with my little dogs.

I will not be docking my dog’s tails, and my breeding girls will be at least 6 –8 lbs. For those of you who don’t agree with me, guess what, I’m not asking you too, and nor is it any of your business how I choose to breed my dogs. My goal is to produce happy healthy dogs that pet owners will enjoy, not mutilated ones. I have no intentions of causing my dogs any unnecessary stress or pain to satisfy anyone’s fabricated ideal of what they think they should look like.

Breeding right – according to who – that’s a Joke right!!!

Hello. I've been following this thread and can understand the various viewpoints here and why some conflict has arisen. I think we could all agree on *way* more than we think, I really do. Which means, to me, that together we could really have a lot of the same goals when it comes to pets, breeding, animal/breed advocacy.

Even though you were a bit heated in the previous posts, I did still read a few things between the lines in there that made me pause and think you may truly be interested in doing things in a mindful / careful manner, with respect to breeding.

Then when I read the post above, I felt that confirmed. I actually think you are on the right track here in thinking for yourSELF, while still also advocating for the breed and breed's well being long term. It seems you'll still "breed to standard" -- but not to the detriment of a breed's health - and that I support and respect. It also sounds like you may be getting into this bc you actually really love it, not for any odd type of glory using animals as a commodity.

As far as not docking tails, all I can say is: WELL DONE. Someday, my hope is that the U.S. will catch up with the rest of the world and outlaw this totally barbaric practice of amputation, which is unnecessary in every way, not to mention cruel.

I hope you'll try sticking around a bit, with an open mind. You may find there are some really wonderful, passionate, intelligent, supportive people here. If you're truly interested in ethical breeding standards, you'd be appreciated here...we know/see how rare that really is. And welcome to YT - sorry it's been a little salty. We're a rather passionate group at times, if you didn't guess that already.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Alona123

No I don’t need a thick skin to be a breeder – I just need what I have a big heart and determination to do what I know and feel is right for me and my dogs. What I don’t need is some random person who doesn’t know me from a hole in the ground judging me based on my simple little introduction to this forum.

I’m not looking for fame or fortune, I’m just doing what I love and enjoy doing –nothing brings me more pleasure than being around animals especially moms with their babies.

True vets don’t know it all, and then again nor does anyone else. We can only work with what we have, and even the best of breeders don’t get it right all the time. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t it the professional show breeders that destroyed every puppy that didn’t meet the breed standards even for something as simple as color – how sad is that – and your scared cause someone may not be breeding right – duh, think again.

As for breed standards – that’s just the show people’s idea of what a breed should look like. Doll face Himalayans are not to breed standards and that is what I started with – then I thought I should do it RIGHT and invested into the SHOW quality Himalayans – biggest mistake I ever made because I went from watching beautiful little doll face Himalayans being happy and playful to watching beautiful little show Himalayans with runny eyes having trouble to breathe due to their short show face – so forget the breed standards for me I will not make that same mistake with my little dogs.

I will not be docking my dog’s tails, and my breeding girls will be at least 6 –8 lbs. For those of you who don’t agree with me, guess what, I’m not asking you too, and nor is it any of your business how I choose to breed my dogs. My goal is to produce happy healthy dogs that pet owners will enjoy, not mutilated ones. I have no intentions of causing my dogs any unnecessary stress or pain to satisfy anyone’s fabricated ideal of what they think they should look like.

Breeding right – according to who – that’s a Joke right!!!

So work to change the standard instead of not breeding to better the breed.

[scrapindee]

A breed standard is a living document.

I have been breeding Biewers since 2004, being one of the first breeders in the U.S. I have shown in all the Rare Show Breed arenas.

I cut no corners. My adult dogs have been physically checked and DNA tested, been a participant in UC Davis Diversity study. My dogs are OFA'd too.

I only have 2 or maybe 3 litters a year. Mama is on folic acid the entire pregnancy. She is fed high quality food. She gets scanned at about 30 weeks. She is X-rayed for size of puppies Day 59. Mama whelps in my puppy room/office. She sleeps next to me in a raised puppy pen waiting on the puppies. Her whelping pen along with my supplies, heating pads, blankets, are in the puppy room. I have another puppy pen in my family room so puppies are monitored 24/7 for the first four weeks. Puppies are weaned onto a high quality puppy food when they are 5-6 weeks and moved into an expen.

Mama is checked by my vet within 24 hours of whelping. Dew claws are done on day 3. Puppies are vet checked at 9 weeks when they get their first puppy shot and microchipped. Puppies leave at 12 weeks registered with a reputable Biewer registry.

This is totally a labor of love. Wouldn't trade it in a minute. Lots of work, laundry, screening potential buyers, puppy pictures every week while socializing the litter.

I don't need a thick skin. I need a big heart and love for my puppies and my helpmate husband.

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

A breed standard is a living document.

I have been breeding Biewers since 2004, being one of the first breeders in the U.S. I have shown in all the Rare Show Breed arenas.

I cut no corners. My adult dogs have been physically checked and DNA tested, been a participant in UC Davis Diversity study. My dogs are OFA'd too.

I only have 2 or maybe 3 litters a year. Mama is on folic acid the entire pregnancy. She is fed high quality food. She gets scanned at about 30 weeks. She is X-rayed for size of puppies Day 59. Mama whelps in my puppy room/office. She sleeps next to me in a raised puppy pen waiting on the puppies. Her whelping pen along with my supplies, heating pads, blankets, are in the puppy room. I have another puppy pen in my family room so puppies are monitored 24/7 for the first four weeks. Puppies are weaned onto a high quality puppy food when they are 5-6 weeks and moved into an expen.

Mama is checked by my vet within 24 hours of whelping. Dew claws are done on day 3. Puppies are vet checked at 9 weeks when they get their first puppy shot and microchipped. Puppies leave at 12 weeks registered with a reputable Biewer registry.

This is totally a labor of love. Wouldn't trade it in a minute. Lots of work, laundry, screening potential buyers, puppy pictures every week while socializing the litter.

I don't need a thick skin. I need a big heart and love for my puppies and my helpmate husband.

👌👌👌👌👌👌.
This is the right place to come and find a mentor. Within this site there are many forums you can inquire through. One is specifically breeder info. Take a gander and perhaps talk to the lovely person who posted the above comment. She seems to have some kind words