Traveling to Hawaii

[Deviruchi]

Hello all, I plan on taking my puppy sometime end of this year to Hawaii but I'm having some concerns. Kupo is currently 4 months old. He already had his first rabies shot last month (which will expire in a year). Hawaii, as some may know, is rabies free state. So if I want to visit my familiy over there, Kupo will need to get another rabies shot, (30 days after 1st rabies).

I'm paranoid about possibility of over vaccinating him and making him sick. The thing is that when I first got him, the breeder gave him up until his 2nd puppy shots, but when I went to the vet, the vet wanted to disregard his previous shots and start over... so in total, he had gotten 5 puppy shots, compared to regular 3. He was also given Lepto and bordetella shots, even though it was suggested not to by many YTers, since he needed those shots to be able to travel. I'm also in military family so I thought it's going to be better to be prepared to take him wherever I need him to.

Do you think it's going to be fine if he gets another rabies shot only 30 days after? With all these previous shots?

Also, From where I am at, fastest flight time is about 11 hrs, and I know that pets are NOT allowed in cabin with me. How should I deal with this later? I never had to deal with this before so I'm not sure what to expect. Will he need some kinda calming med or whatever..? I know its far off from now, but I just wanted to do some research.

Thanks in advance. :]

[Russpilot]

Wow, that is a lot on a little system! I am no vet, but I would be very very worried about another rabies shot in such a short span of time. I would give my vet a call and ask what they feel about it.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Deviruchi

Hello all, I plan on taking my puppy sometime end of this year to Hawaii but I'm having some concerns. Kupo is currently 4 months old. He already had his first rabies shot last month (which will expire in a year). Hawaii, as some may know, is rabies free state. So if I want to visit my familiy over there, Kupo will need to get another rabies shot, (30 days after 1st rabies).

I'm paranoid about possibility of over vaccinating him and making him sick. The thing is that when I first got him, the breeder gave him up until his 2nd puppy shots, but when I went to the vet, the vet wanted to disregard his previous shots and start over... so in total, he had gotten 5 puppy shots, compared to regular 3. He was also given Lepto and bordetella shots, even though it was suggested not to by many YTers, since he needed those shots to be able to travel. I'm also in military family so I thought it's going to be better to be prepared to take him wherever I need him to.

Do you think it's going to be fine if he gets another rabies shot only 30 days after? With all these previous shots?

Also, From where I am at, fastest flight time is about 11 hrs, and I know that pets are NOT allowed in cabin with me. How should I deal with this later? I never had to deal with this before so I'm not sure what to expect. Will he need some kinda calming med or whatever..? I know its far off from now, but I just wanted to do some research.

Thanks in advance. :]

I'm a little confused...why is the 2nd rabies shot required when 1 shot provides the needed immunity? Is Hawaii requiring 2 shots or something? I don't get it. It's a shame to have to get 2. But if you do need it for some reason, it should theoretically be okay...it's just that it's not really going to do anything...it's virtually pointless to get it.

I thought you could pay and have pets fly in cabin w/ you to Hawaii on some airlines...are you saying this is not the case? If so, yikes. Cargo flying is not ideal at all, to say the least. Personally, I too would think about tranquilizing my dog, however, there are issues with this. For example, most vets will prescribe acepromazine as a tranq for travel, however, some dogs will have issues w/ this med w/ properly respirating/breathing -- and you would never know this was happening if the dog was in cargo, ya know? So if you decide on using ace (which, many do, btw)...make sure you try it a couple times with your dog prior to flying and make sure he reacts safely to it. I've probably scared you now, so I will say to remember that thousands of dogs do fly safely all the time...it's just not ideal, really.

[ColesMommy01]

Does Hawaii have a quarantine period for incoming pets? I know when I visit my family in Jamaica I can't bring any of pets. As far as rabies, why would you need another in a year? Rabies vaccine is effective for 3(+) years but the majority of states want you to get it every 3 years. We're military also :-). Are you flying out of Arkansas with any type of flight changes? I'm from Tennessee and the weather is crucial from April/May until maybe November. No way I'd put any of my dogs in cargo for 11 hours if I can help it in that kind of weather. Is there another airline you could take that would allow your puppy to ride with you? I know the amount of animals they allow in the cabin is sometimes limited.

[Deviruchi]

@russpilot, i was def. concerned when i asked her about it, she said he should be fine.... but i'm still a bit paranoid T_T

hawaii is requiring 2 set of shots, for both 5 day or less program or 120 day program. as far as i know, hawaii does not allow pets to be in cabin with you. i could try to look into private jets, but i know the price is way out of my range. seen some that went over 3-25k. -_- but @Wylie's Mom, thank you for the med recommendation. i'll ask my vet about it next time i go

@ColesMommy01, regarding my flight, i'm not sure if i'll go it as non-stop or with 1 stop otw to hawaii. but if anything, if i'm able to find non-stop one, i'll probably go there non-stop to avoid any more stress for my baby.. and i just like sleeping in plane too lol. but what do you mean that weather is *crucial*? does that mean its bad and i should avoid it? (sorry my english sucks lol) if anything i'll be able to go in november or december this year after i get everything done. i'm trying to apply for 5 day or less program so kupo won't get stuck in hawaii quarantine for 120 days away from me.. after getting 2 rabies shot, hawaii is requiring me to get oie-favn blood test and his result has to come back at 0.5IU/ml or greater.. and wait at home for 120 days.. if he passes for 5 day or less program, i'll be able to pick him up right away after landing. which i really want to do. and.. i didn't know that jamaica doesn't allow pets o.o;

oh and here's the link for hawaii quarantine brochure if you guys wanna check it out.
http://hdoa.hawaii.gov/ai/files/2013/01/aqsbrochure.pdf

[capt_noonie]

Honestly, in cargo in Nov or Dec coming from Arkansas I think a small yorkie would freeze to death in cargo. I would do cabin or nothing.

[Lovetodream88]

I would kennel my dog before letting her ride in cargo they lose a lot of dogs and its just not a good place. If you have depression or anxiety or some other emotional issue you could have him labeled an emotional support dog and then they are allowed in cabin.

[107barney]

I've never taken my dog to Hawaii, but I have heard about the issues. I'm not sure that it's still true, but Alaska Airlines was once the only carrier to allow pets in cabin. Here is info about them. Traveling with Pets | Alaska Airlines

Also, if you're flying to Maui or some other items, your pet may be eligible for the direct release program instead of quarantine. Here is a link you may find helpful. I think you could call them to get more information about what exactly you're in for. Direct Release - Quarantine

I think you might want to consider flying via Alaska airlines for the leg to the islands. I've flown to Hawaii from Texas a few times and from Los Angeles. It's a looonnngggg flight from Texas, about 10 hours. I also think you could consider a petsitter to watch your puppy while you're away, or kennel at the vet. I always use a petsitter in my home and the dogs stay in their routines and they don't get stressed out.

Good luck.

[Deviruchi]

@capt_noonie, thanks for the reminder. i completely forgot about the temperature factor in cargo.. but i've found out that alaska airline does in cabin for puppies so i'm relieved

@Lovetodream88 i was looking into service dog.. but they have to be atleast 1-2 yrs (i forgot..) but my puppy is currently only 4 months old. :/

@107barney, i actually found out about alaska airline. def made notes of it. i'm actually going to oahu and so far i'm qualified for 5 days or less program i don't want to leave my baby at kennel though, i wanted him to meet my family and have some nice time at hawaii.

[ColesMommy01]

Yes, only pets from N.Ireland and Britian are allowed. It may have changed a bit since the last time I visited but definitely not any pets from North America.

[Cheldaisi]

When in Maui a lady brought her dog from New York, she told us that it took many months of paper work, specific shots that Hawaii requires also they need proof of papers from vet, etc, and was expensive too, before considering taking your dog, better do the research on what Hawaii requires or your dog will be in quarantined for a month.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Deviruchi

@capt_noonie, thanks for the reminder. i completely forgot about the temperature factor in cargo.. but i've found out that alaska airline does in cabin for puppies so i'm relieved

@Lovetodream88 i was looking into service dog.. but they have to be atleast 1-2 yrs (i forgot..) but my puppy is currently only 4 months old. :/

@107barney, i actually found out about alaska airline. def made notes of it. i'm actually going to oahu and so far i'm qualified for 5 days or less program i don't want to leave my baby at kennel though, i wanted him to meet my family and have some nice time at hawaii.

Emotional support dog is different then service dog, you might want to check it out.

[yorkiemini]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I would kennel my dog before letting her ride in cargo they lose a lot of dogs and its just not a good place. If you have depression or anxiety or some other emotional issue you could have him labeled an emotional support dog and then they are allowed in cabin.

kkk


Which could be considered fraud if not true and should be documented. You would be wise if you are traveling such long distances to have paper work from a psychiatrist so you don't get waylaid along the way. Understand that some states have additional service/support type dog requirements -- however in general the Federal ADA laws trump the state requirements except ADA only relates to Service Dogs not emotional support dogs. Emotional support dog lasts come under the FHAA housing and ACAA.

If the dog is old enough to to be trained to performs a specific psychiatric task other than just companion then with documentation you dog could be a psychiatric service dog.

There has been so much fraud lately that folks are getting very gun shy about the service dog thing.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by yorkiemini

kkk


Which could be considered fraud if not true and should be documented. You would be wise if you are traveling such long distances to have paper work from a psychiatrist so you don't get waylaid along the way. Understand that some states have additional service/support type dog requirements -- however in general the Federal ADA laws trump the state requirements except ADA only relates to Service Dogs not emotional support dogs. Emotional support dog lasts come under the FHAA housing and ACAA.

If the dog is old enough to to be trained to performs a specific psychiatric task other than just companion then with documentation you dog could be a psychiatric service dog.

There has been so much fraud lately that folks are getting very gun shy about the service dog thing.

Everything you said is very true, but as far as what Taylor said is IF you have depression or anxiety, not to pretend she has something to get the dog in that way.

[yorkiemini]

Indeed, Taylor did say that - I was just trying to clarify so the OP might circumvent any issues when she travels. Many of us are trying to keep the ESD issue from being re-addressed and possibly downgraded. Because of the increase in legal challenges many want it to be reassessed. And....many on that board are being urged not to change it as it is a real need. The airlines are driving some of the discontent in that area of the law. Most of us are working behind the scenes to get the ESD laws moved to the ADA laws (and away from the Fair Housing laws) to give it more power.

Unfortunately ADA works behind the door a lot of the time,but fortunately the wheelchair bound folks help monitor what is going on. Things don't get very "advertised" in that area.

California is one of a growing number of states who have tried to add their own Service Dog criteria to the ADA criteria in an effort to control the fraud issues. This will no doubt be the next battle for disabled folks. The military have fought a hard hard battle with the PTSD community and in that battle the ESD piece has gotten more challenges that have been detrimental to it - as a by product.