Needing advice.. is this behaviour normal?!

[SirTeddykins]

Originally Posted by Larry92

I know you are trying to help and I am so appreciative I really am. Your advice has been so helpful to me and I don't want you to think I'm getting annoyed because I really am not I just trying to get into a different way of thinking that's all. I suppose it will just be frustration coming out in me.




We do love him so much and getting rid of him is the last thing we want to do


We are trying and I guess that's all we can do. We will seek out a different trainer again and start from scratch. We are tying to change our thinking so much, we really are I suppose it will just take time.

Yes, that's it! Time and dedication and the willingness to consider alternate ways. If you are able to give all of this, then you will succeed. I had Teddy for 8 months from a puppy and I thought I had him trained and I found out he was peeing in my house when I was away due to separation anxiety. I blamed myself, him, the breeder everyone and everything. In the end, I had to accept that he had an issue but I didn't have to contribute to it by doing things which made him even more insecure. So, I had to research anxiety in toy dogs, visit the vet for advice, came to YT!, change the way I did things, change my expectations of him etc. Daily, I am learning from my dog and he learns from me. It's a relationship that is challenging yet satisfying because he loves me, wants to please me and I want him to be happy in his very short life which is shared with me.


Please keep coming here for advice. Are you in the UK? If so, call your local RSPCA for a behaviorist recommendation. They will recommend the behaviorist they use to ensure dogs are adoptable. I'm in Leicester and I was not happy with my 'trainer' so refuse to recommend him but I didn't go through the RSPCA for a recommendation. I relied on 'recommendations' which were rigged by him...lol I got ripped off and fooled!!!!! haha


Anyway, hope to see you around and learn about progress

[Larry92]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

Yes, that's it! Time and dedication and the willingness to consider alternate ways. If you are able to give all of this, then you will succeed. I had Teddy for 8 months from a puppy and I thought I had him trained and I found out he was peeing in my house when I was away due to separation anxiety. I blamed myself, him, the breeder everyone and everything. In the end, I had to accept that he had an issue but I didn't have to contribute to it by doing things which made him even more insecure. So, I had to research anxiety in toy dogs, visit the vet for advice, came to YT!, change the way I did things, change my expectations of him etc. Daily, I am learning from my dog and he learns from me. It's a relationship that is challenging yet satisfying because he loves me, wants to please me and I want him to be happy in his very short life which is shared with me.


Please keep coming here for advice. Are you in the UK? If so, call your local RSPCA for a behaviorist recommendation. They will recommend the behaviorist they use to ensure dogs are adoptable. I'm in Leicester and I was not happy with my 'trainer' so refuse to recommend him but I didn't go through the RSPCA for a recommendation. I relied on 'recommendations' which were rigged by him...lol I got ripped off and fooled!!!!! haha


Anyway, hope to see you around and learn about progress

I will try and keep everyone updated on progress with him it's going to be hard but hopefully it will be successful. Yes I'm in the UK we are living up north near Middlesbrough I have a bestfriend who works in Leicester so I'm there whenever I get a spare weekend. Oh I never thought of trying the RSPCA, that's such a good idea I will phone them tomorrow thank you so much you have been so helpful!

[Jkpal]

Please just know we're simply offering suggestions, ideas, examples in an effort to assist you in sorting all this out. No one is judging you or being critical of you--we're trying to figure it out right along with you. I imagine the frustration you're experiencing is fierce, but try not to get too frustrated with us...We're trying to help cuz we want you guys to happily be together.
Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to bark violently at nothing right in your ear. ~Dave Barry

[Cat2861]

I too found it strange that she was calling him an "it". IMHO...I think the dog is being the alpha dog, which shouldn't be that way. It also sounds to me like the dog is very upset for him to go outside and come back inside and poop on the beds and sofa. Yorkies are very smart, loving, stubborn, protective, they get jealous etc. I just feel that one person needs to take this little guy under their wings and just start retraining him, praising him and be consistent about it. He needs to have someone he can trust and someone that takes the alpha role. Can I ask...how do you discipline him? Why has he bitten you three times? Has he bitten your BF or anyone else?

[YorkieTherapy]

[QUOTE=Larry92;4520760]He had been to training classes since we got him but the trainer cannot seem to work out why he is so unresponsive so a vet visit was made and the vet said that he is in perfect health.


It so difficult because his behaviour from when we got him has improved so much ( I cant even explain how bad things were when he arrived) but everything we do on vet advice and trainer do not seem to work. His biting and unresponsiveness is getting worse and I don't want him to cause some one serious harm

This stood out to me and I'm wondering if Jake was shutting down.

Shutting down is the response when dogs are overwhelmed by too much stimuli.... when they can't run away-escape, make it go away-snapping/barking etc... they feel helpless, beyond stressed and scared. They will freeze become unresponsive, sit or lie down, lowering their head and body looking defeated, divert their eyes, lick their lips, drool etc.. If this was the case, the trainers should have recognized this was too much for Jake and asked you to remove him from this situation.

[Larry92]

Originally Posted by Cat2861

I too found it strange that she was calling him an "it". IMHO...I think the dog is being the alpha dog, which shouldn't be that way. It also sounds to me like the dog is very upset for him to go outside and come back inside and poop on the beds and sofa. Yorkies are very smart, loving, stubborn, protective, they get jealous etc. I just feel that one person needs to take this little guy under their wings and just start retraining him, praising him and be consistent about it. He needs to have someone he can trust and someone that takes the alpha role. Can I ask...how do you discipline him? Why has he bitten you three times? Has he bitten your BF or anyone else?

Again as i have put many times now me calling him it was just a bad choice of words! God I wasn't aware I was having a grammar test, alls I was dojng was trying to explain. I have wrote how diciplin him. I'm not sure why he has bitten me three times, would you like me to ask him? I'm sorry for getting annoyed but these things that you are asking me, if I knew that I wouldn't need to write on here!!! He has bitten other people unprovoked aswell. As I put on my original post I was sat on the sofa and he jumped up (I thought he was coming for cuddles which is what he normal did) and bit me.

[gemy]

Larry; I will tell you a story (a short one), I brought a 7month old puppy into my lifeabout 5 yrs ago now. She had a long long flight to come to me. At first her behaviour issues was attributed to that long long flight. A different breed to yours, and one that is much much larger. She was nervous, scared of many many things, loud sounds, the timer going off, new places, travelling in the car, and the list goes on. Her first un-solicited nip of human came 2 months after we had received her, on our way to the indoor swimming pool, no warning, no barks/growls, no body language change that we could see... And she was corrected immediately.
She went into intensive obedience training, instead of once per week, we did 3x per week. She was obedient, but also would shut down very quickly. The second nip of a stranger - this time I was on the lead, happened very like the first time, immediate correction. The third nip, was on that same vacation. On vacation, I called up a behaviour specialist to have her evaluated. Once their findings were known; I sought a second opinion. By now Zoey had a wonderfull recall, heel on lead, down/stay, sit stay, she retrieved toys like crazy and was quite food motivated.


The findings was of an unstable dog, likely genetic in so far as something in her brain was mis-wired. Conclusion no amount of training will make her reliable and stable.


We never gave up on her, but we were very cautious with her around strangers - she could never be trusted.


This type of problem is quite rare. And it is way too early to tell if that is what is going on with your dog.


It is quite difficult to offer advise over the internet, not seeing the dog, not seeing how the humans interact with this dog. I wish there was some magic bullet, command, or simple change we could offer you and your dog. But there simply isn't.


I am so glad you realize that 98% of the time it is the failure of we humans to train our dog, to find the way into their wonderfull being.


I offer this thought to you, if you think/feel you have done literally everything you can that you know; then it is truly time to seek the counsel of a specialist.


All I can tell you right now; if your dog is defecating on beds despite regular walks and potty time, and peeing all around, they need to be restricted in their free access to the house; as much as this might be a chore; difficult to institute etc. You have to go back to housebreaking as you would an eight wk old puppy.


If your dog nips people and most certainly you, then he does not get to have free run when guests are present.


And finally do see a specialist

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Larry92

I'm new to this but I am needing some advice regarding my boyfriends yorkie. I just want to know if this behaviour is normal for a Yorkshire terrier or if the dog is in fact just a little s**t! The dog is 2 and has lived with my boyfriend and his family since he was 6 months old. Is it normal for him not to come to call, even in the house? it seems as though it will only do something when it wants to do and even the simplest of things like wanting to shut the door to a room and it's sat in the way it will not move if you ask it to and growls at you if you try to move it, so you have to wait until its ready to move?! I have never seen anything like it in my life! It also climbs up on the kitchen work top to eat food (we are not sure how it gets up there is nothing for it to climb up!!) this happens literally in the space of two minutes when someone pops upstairs or goes to the toilet, its ridiculous! Also I have known yorkies to be friendly and happy dogs but this dog when me and my boyfriend even touch start whimpering and barking at us even though I have been there since they got the dog and am not new to its life. It cowers when I walk in the room even though I have never shouted at it or hit it in my life and when I pick it up to move it when people are in the room it yelps like I'm hurting it but it doesn't do it when anyone else picks it up and doesn't do it when I'm in the room on my own with it. It has just started to not go to the toilet outside really.. maybe a wee here and there but its walked 3 times a day and goes out in the garden and will not go for a poo and then comes inside (after they have to leave the door open for half an hour and it wont come inside when asked) and will go for one on places like the sofa and beds?!(this is a constant behaviour when I am not there as well) We really don't know what to do anymore. It has also bit me 3 times.. not broke the skin but hard enough to leave a bruise and scratches and they happened when I was sat on the sofa by myself but has never even gone to do it when people are in the room. It has different people in the house all the time and its behaviour with them is strange and unpredictable and it barks constantly.. pretty much all day even if there is someone in the house it chooses to sit and bark alllll day. We are really stuck on what to do! help

Hi, Welcome to YT. I've not read any of the replies here but I'm going to ask you to read this whole thing over....do you see how many times you called this pup an IT? You said HIM one time. In my opinion you dislike this little guy and therefore your perceptions and judgments regarding this pup to me are biased. I wonder did you write this whole thing out so you can show your boyfriend what a terrible little s**t this pup is? Are you seeking validation? I say this because I've know 2 people who have talked about pups the way you have and the reality is they didn't even like stuffed animals! I hope I am wrong.


I take biting seriously so I will address this, you all need to pool your money together and get this pup a professional trainer. I do hope this works out for the pups and your sake. Please keep us posted.

[Larry92]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Hi, Welcome to YT. I've not read any of the replies here but I'm going to ask you to read this whole thing over....do you see how many times you called this pup an IT? You said HIM one time. In my opinion you dislike this little guy and therefore your perceptions and judgments regarding this pup to me are biased. I wonder did you write this whole thing out so you can show your boyfriend what a terrible little s**t this pup is? Are you seeking validation? I say this because I've know 2 people who have talked about pups the way you have and the reality is they didn't even like stuffed animals! I hope I am wrong.


I take biting seriously so I will address this, you all need to pool your money together and get this pup a professional trainer. I do hope this works out for the pups and your sake. Please keep us posted.

HAHAHA people like you who make judgements on people when you clearly don't know what your talking about make me laugh! As you said you haven't read any of the replies, WHY? this has been spoke about so much and now I'm seriously BORED. I don't need to explain why I wrote something the way I did to people I don't even know because now quite frankly it's pissing me off now. The people on here who have been genuinely nice and helpful to me make it worth while but people who judge and make ridiculous comments like you just have without even taking a second thought give forums like this a bad name!!!! Just think about this, why would I bother joining a site like this and writing all that stuff down if all's I wanted to do is prove to my boyfriend that Jake is a little s**t? do you not think he can see that everyday? do you not think that it took me a long time to pluck up the courage to write on somewhere like this? I have never done anything before like this in my life. And also to suggest I'm not an animal lover is the most ridiculous thing I've EVER heard in my life, considering I have two of my own dogs and two horses; so I spend all that money because I don't like animals?! Yeah somehow I think your WRONG! How about next time before you make ridiculous and judging comments you have a little read about what's actually been said after and refrain from doing it again to save peoples feelings and your own embarrassment.

[Larry92]

Originally Posted by gemy

Larry; I will tell you a story (a short one), I brought a 7month old puppy into my lifeabout 5 yrs ago now. She had a long long flight to come to me. At first her behaviour issues was attributed to that long long flight. A different breed to yours, and one that is much much larger. She was nervous, scared of many many things, loud sounds, the timer going off, new places, travelling in the car, and the list goes on. Her first un-solicited nip of human came 2 months after we had received her, on our way to the indoor swimming pool, no warning, no barks/growls, no body language change that we could see... And she was corrected immediately.
She went into intensive obedience training, instead of once per week, we did 3x per week. She was obedient, but also would shut down very quickly. The second nip of a stranger - this time I was on the lead, happened very like the first time, immediate correction. The third nip, was on that same vacation. On vacation, I called up a behaviour specialist to have her evaluated. Once their findings were known; I sought a second opinion. By now Zoey had a wonderfull recall, heel on lead, down/stay, sit stay, she retrieved toys like crazy and was quite food motivated.


The findings was of an unstable dog, likely genetic in so far as something in her brain was mis-wired. Conclusion no amount of training will make her reliable and stable.


We never gave up on her, but we were very cautious with her around strangers - she could never be trusted.


This type of problem is quite rare. And it is way too early to tell if that is what is going on with your dog.


It is quite difficult to offer advise over the internet, not seeing the dog, not seeing how the humans interact with this dog. I wish there was some magic bullet, command, or simple change we could offer you and your dog. But there simply isn't.


I am so glad you realize that 98% of the time it is the failure of we humans to train our dog, to find the way into their wonderfull being.


I offer this thought to you, if you think/feel you have done literally everything you can that you know; then it is truly time to seek the counsel of a specialist.


All I can tell you right now; if your dog is defecating on beds despite regular walks and potty time, and peeing all around, they need to be restricted in their free access to the house; as much as this might be a chore; difficult to institute etc. You have to go back to housebreaking as you would an eight wk old puppy.


If your dog nips people and most certainly you, then he does not get to have free run when guests are present.


And finally do see a specialist

Thank you your advice has been really helpful to me and I'm glad we aren't the only ones who have had these troubles! lol. We are ringing a behaviour specialist later on today as recommended by the RSPCA so hopefully we will try to get somewhere

[smelcerk]

Originally Posted by Larry92

HAHAHA people like you who make judgements on people when you clearly don't know what your talking about make me laugh! As you said you haven't read any of the replies, WHY? this has been spoke about so much and now I'm seriously BORED. I don't need to explain why I wrote something the way I did to people I don't even know because now quite frankly it's pissing me off now. The people on here who have been genuinely nice and helpful to me make it worth while but people who judge and make ridiculous comments like you just have without even taking a second thought give forums like this a bad name!!!! Just think about this, why would I bother joining a site like this and writing all that stuff down if all's I wanted to do is prove to my boyfriend that Jake is a little s**t? do you not think he can see that everyday? do you not think that it took me a long time to pluck up the courage to write on somewhere like this? I have never done anything before like this in my life. And also to suggest I'm not an animal lover is the most ridiculous thing I've EVER heard in my life, considering I have two of my own dogs and two horses; so I spend all that money because I don't like animals?! Yeah somehow I think your WRONG! How about next time before you make ridiculous and judging comments you have a little read about what's actually been said after and refrain from doing it again to save peoples feelings and your own embarrassment.

Love your spunk Larry and bravo for standing up for yourself. I have read the entire thread and it was very obvious to me that you came here looking for help and answers. You have been giving some great advice by some very loving and knowledgeable people. Absolutely ignore any and all haters and focus on the positive. I hope you will keep us all updated as to how things work out with the behavior specialist as this could be valuable information to some of us who might go through a similar situation. I also am glad that you said that the positive feedback you received made coming to this site worthwhile. Many people who do not have your spunk and self esteem have been chased away. Don't let that happen.

[Magnus]

Originally Posted by Larry92

Thank you your advice has been really helpful to me and I'm glad we aren't the only ones who have had these troubles! lol. We are ringing a behaviour specialist later on today as recommended by the RSPCA so hopefully we will try to get somewhere

Good luck with the behavior specialist. I think they'd be able to give you a lot of guidance and insight. Just remember, patience is a virtue!

Please keep us updated when you can. I think a lot of us would be interested on knowing how you guys progress and it'll help all others that come across same/similar issues.

[Larry92]

Originally Posted by smelcerk

Love your spunk Larry and bravo for standing up for yourself. I have read the entire thread and it was very obvious to me that you came here looking for help and answers. You have been giving some great advice by some very loving and knowledgeable people. Absolutely ignore any and all haters and focus on the positive. I hope you will keep us all updated as to how things work out with the behavior specialist as this could be valuable information to some of us who might go through a similar situation. I also am glad that you said that the positive feedback you received made coming to this site worthwhile. Many people who do not have your spunk and self esteem have been chased away. Don't let that happen.

Thank you for your kind words it mean a lot to know that even though I'm new here you can still find friendly people among the haters


The one thing with me is that I will stand up for myself and I will not let people who I don't even know make false judgements of me and make unfair comments about my situation and character. I will absolutely let everyone know our progress and keep coming back here as long as I need to. No nasty comments keep this girl down

[joyce evans]

So glad you are bringing in a specialist! I for one may learn something very valuable from your experience. I have read this entire thread. Many of us have thrown out what we think might be part of the problem but without being there it's really hard to say anything. Even if I were there I'm not a specialist! Wish I were! Just wanted to say that I think your doing the right thing for this pup and for all that come in contact with him. I can see from your post that you truly love this little guy or why would you bother! Please keep us posted! I want all the details! Wishing everyone much luck and will definitely be coming back to see if this pup and his human family are making progress.

[Siouxz]

My sister-in-law has a perfect pet except for a few things. They could not change the behavior. In frustration, they invited a pet trainer to come to the house. He showed them how to change the dogs particular behavior. He did nothing to the dog. He really is a pet owner trainer. They solved the issues. Good luck!