I need major help

[pink66]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

How can some of yall say just give the puppy back to the greeder? Seriously the pup would be better off put to sleep then given back to this terrible breeder who would either pass her off to someone else for lots of money or even keep her and breed her! Sometimes it needs to not be about money but about this poor pup she should absolutely not be given back to the greeder unless money is the ONLY concern here. This is a living breathing being that feels things, she didn't ask to be born with problems so she shouldn't have to suffer and be given back to a terrible person who will do God knows what with her.

Love doesn't come with a money back guarantee. Either you love her and are willing to take care of her and give her a great life, or you don't. I am reading a lot of posts about what is best for you, but I think the only question is what is best for this baby. What say has she had?

[Rhetts_mama]

I can see both sides of this debate. On the one hand, I absolutely believe that our pups are ours for life. No matter what. Just like I wouldn't send back my kids if there were health problems with them. My dogs are mine, for better or worse.

On the other hand, I know that there are situations where it's not always possible for an owner to keep and provide everything they need to keep their dogs healthy/comfortable due to their medical conditions. Even if they love that pup to pieces. Just look at Ladyjane's latest thread about Mindy in the sick/injured forum.

For others, the emotional toll of dealing with a special needs pup might be too much for them. We don't know what anyone else is capable of handling emotionally because we don't know what else is going on in their lives.

I hope what ever Amy decides, we at YT can not only respect it, but support her.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

How can some of yall say just give the puppy back to the greeder? Seriously the pup would be better off put to sleep then given back to this terrible breeder who would either pass her off to someone else for lots of money or even keep her and breed her! Sometimes it needs to not be about money but about this poor pup she should absolutely not be given back to the greeder unless money is the ONLY concern here. This is a living breathing being that feels things, she didn't ask to be born with problems so she shouldn't have to suffer and be given back to a terrible person who will do God knows what with her.

Well, some people are just not wealthy enough to spend a lot of money to get a new puppy that turns out to be seriously ill and should never have even been offered for sale, pay thousands upon thousands for it's medical care, sit by as it suffers and then still have to perhaps watch it die and allow the breeder to keep the money and skate on the disreputable action of producing and then passing on for sale dogs of very poor health and questionable quality. Like it or not, some are being priced out of owning a purebred dog if they have are going to have to both fund disreputable breeders' mistakes and still wind up without a puppy in a few months and to try to buy a second and start all over.

If one does deal with a breeder who offers a puppy that quickly or immediately becomes ill or proves to be one that should never have been sold, people should be allowed to call them on it and get their money back if they cannot afford to keep and pay for all the medical care and the dog's eventual final expenses within a few weeks. It is their personal choice and is often necessarily based on financial concerns for those who are not financially the most comfortable.

Which is why all the disreputable overbreeding that is going on, producing sickly and ill puppies, usually advertised on websites that promise all kinds of pie-in-the sky claims and dogs that never should have even been created at all let alone offered for sale, is so painful. It can often prey on those who can least afford to deal with all the financial and emotional hit - those who are perhaps new to the dog or pet world, not savvy enough to even know to do "research" and "educate" themselves, are not well off financially but still want and perhaps even need a canine companion to enrich their lives and provide someone to just love and come home to at the end of the day. Some people psychologically need a dog to help them through their day and that dog is all they have got to hang onto. Some have no other family, no support system and not a great deal of money. Some are totally on their own and sadly, finances mean more than some can ever know. Yet they still want a dog they have perhaps always dreamed about. They should be allowed to dream and find the dog they would so love to have if possible.

People caught in this situation matter, too, and some are not financially well off enough to have to pay for irreputable breeders' poor choices plus suffer the psychological pain of being so taken in by a BYB'er/puppymiller/greeder in addition to watching their dog slowly die so soon after they got it, all as their funds dwindle and huge debt mounts. Some have no alternative but to painfully try to return the very ill dog for the money they can get in refund and try to find their companion at another, hopefully respected and reputable breeder's home. If we are going to buy and sell dogs for money from breeders who promise a healthy dog, then money and keeping promises are going to have to be part of the conversation when the dog sold is proven to be a sickly dog that shouldn't have been offered for sale. Returning a new, sickly puppy to a breeder is a personal and private decision and every pet owner has to decide what will work for them and their own personal situation in addition to that of the puppy.

[jeane]

its a tough situation either way// I have been very fortunate not to be put in that situation

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I can see both sides of this debate. On the one hand, I absolutely believe that our pups are ours for life. No matter what. Just like I wouldn't send back my kids if there were health problems with them. My dogs are mine, for better or worse.

On the other hand, I know that there are situations where it's not always possible for an owner to keep and provide everything they need to keep their dogs healthy/comfortable due to their medical conditions. Even if they love that pup to pieces. Just look at Ladyjane's latest thread about Mindy in the sick/injured forum.

For others, the emotional toll of dealing with a special needs pup might be too much for them. We don't know what anyone else is capable of handling emotionally because we don't know what else is going on in their lives.

I hope what ever Amy decides, we at YT can not only respect it, but support her.

Ok so give the pup to a rescue don't sent it back to the terrible greeder!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Ok so give the pup to a rescue don't sent it back to the terrible greeder!

But how would the person recover their money from the breeder, if that is still possible?

[amyazer]

The problem is if zoey soft spot brings her hydrocephalus from my understanding she wont have much longer to live thats my issue if it was a treatable condition it could be worked out however water on the brain is very dangerous (worst case scenario)

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Well, some people are just not wealthy enough to spend a lot of money to get a new puppy that turns out to be seriously ill and should never have even been offered for sale, pay thousands upon thousands for it's medical care, sit by as it suffers and then still have to perhaps watch it die and allow the breeder to keep the money and skate on the disreputable action of producing and then passing on for sale dogs of very poor health and questionable quality. Like it or not, some are being priced out of owning a purebred dog if they have are going to have to both fund disreputable breeders' mistakes and still wind up without a puppy in a few months and to try to buy a second and start all over.

If one does deal with a breeder who offers a puppy that quickly or immediately becomes ill or proves to be one that should never have been sold, people should be allowed to call them on it and get their money back if they cannot afford to keep and pay for all the medical care and the dog's eventual final expenses within a few weeks. It is their personal choice and is often necessarily based on financial concerns for those who are not financially the most comfortable.

Which is why all the disreputable overbreeding that is going on, producing sickly and ill puppies, usually advertised on websites that promise all kinds of pie-in-the sky claims and dogs that never should have even been created at all let alone offered for sale, is so painful. It can often prey on those who can least afford to deal with all the financial and emotional hit - those who are perhaps new to the dog or pet world, not savvy enough to even know to do "research" and "educate" themselves, are not well off financially but still want and perhaps even need a canine companion to enrich their lives and provide someone to just love and come home to at the end of the day. Some people psychologically need a dog to help them through their day and that dog is all they have got to hang onto. Some have no other family, no support system and not a great deal of money. Some are totally on their own and sadly, finances mean more than some can ever know. Yet they still want a dog they have perhaps always dreamed about. They should be allowed to dream and find the dog they would so love to have if possible.

People caught in this situation matter, too, and some are not financially well off enough to have to pay for irreputable breeders' poor choices plus suffer the psychological pain of being so taken in by a BYB'er/puppymiller/greeder in addition to watching their dog slowly die so soon after they got it, all as their funds dwindle and huge debt mounts. Some have no alternative but to painfully try to return the very ill dog for the money they can get in refund and try to find their companion at another, hopefully respected and reputable breeder's home. If we are going to buy and sell dogs for money from breeders who promise a healthy dog, then money and keeping promises are going to have to be part of the conversation when the dog sold is proven to be a sickly dog that shouldn't have been offered for sale. Returning a new, sickly puppy to a breeder is a personal and private decision and every pet owner has to decide what will work for them and their own personal situation in addition to that of the puppy.

There should be laws that help the person get there money back with out having to give the puppy they have bonded with back to a terrible breeder who doesn't care about the pup and will do god knows what with it. Its just very wrong that the pup would have to go back to a terrible breeder to either die alone and unloved, to be possibly breed to make some of the greeders money back, or thrown off to another person not being told about the health issues. Even if I could not afford the pups health care I would rather put the put to sleep then give it back to go through god knows what no matter how much money it put me in the hole. This is a life we are talking about one that deserves love.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

But how would the person recover their money from the breeder, if that is still possible?

Personally, I don't think the breeder has any intention of returning even a dollar. Despite what she says, I just get the feeling that she won't do it.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Ok so give the pup to a rescue don't sent it back to the terrible greeder!

Between returning the dog and giving it up to a rescue (if she can find one with room), that would be what I would choose.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

But how would the person recover their money from the breeder, if that is still possible?

Why would you want to send a puppy back to that situation? How could you send a puppy back to that situation? Do you really want the puppy to die unloved?

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

There should be laws that help the person get there money back with out having to give the puppy they have bonded with back to a terrible breeder who doesn't care about the pup and will do god knows what with it. Its just very wrong that the pup would have to go back to a terrible breeder to either die alone and unloved, to be possibly breed to make some of the greeders money back, or thrown off to another person not being told about the health issues. Even if I could not afford the pups health care I would rather put the put to sleep then give it back to go through god knows what no matter how much money it put me in the hole. This is a life we are talking about one that deserves love.

It's sad that only a very few states have lemon laws. Florida has one of the best that covers not only breeders in that state, but also anyone from out of state that sells a puppy to someone who lives there.

I haven't been able to find a clear answer about the NJ law, but it sure would be worth finding a lawyer who would go after it. I could see taking the angle that FEDERAL laws apply since the transaction was done via money order.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

It's sad that only a very few states have lemon laws. Florida has one of the best that covers not only breeders in that state, but also anyone from out of state that sells a puppy to someone who lives there.

I haven't been able to find a clear answer about the NJ law, but it sure would be worth finding a lawyer who would go after it. I could see taking the angle that FEDERAL laws apply since the transaction was done via money order.

I also thing a lawyer would be the best way to go right now.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Well, some people are just not wealthy enough to spend a lot of money to get a new puppy that turns out to be seriously ill and should never have even been offered for sale, pay thousands upon thousands for it's medical care, sit by as it suffers and then still have to perhaps watch it die and allow the breeder to keep the money and skate on the disreputable action of producing and then passing on for sale dogs of very poor health and questionable quality. Like it or not, some are being priced out of owning a purebred dog if they have are going to have to both fund disreputable breeders' mistakes and still wind up without a puppy in a few months and to try to buy a second and start all over.

If one does deal with a breeder who offers a puppy that quickly or immediately becomes ill or proves to be one that should never have been sold, people should be allowed to call them on it and get their money back if they cannot afford to keep and pay for all the medical care and the dog's eventual final expenses within a few weeks. It is their personal choice and is often necessarily based on financial concerns for those who are not financially the most comfortable. Which is why all the disreputable overbreeding that is going on, producing sickly and ill puppies, usually advertised on websites that promise all kinds of pie-in-the sky claims and dogs that never should have even been created at all let alone offered for sale, is so painful. It can often prey on those who can least afford to deal with all the financial and emotional hit - those who are perhaps new to the dog or pet world, not savvy enough to even know to do "research" and "educate" themselves, are not well off financially but still want and perhaps even need a canine companion to enrich their lives and provide someone to just love and come home to at the end of the day. Some people psychologically need a dog to help them through their day and that dog is all they have got to hang onto. Some have no other family, no support system and not a great deal of money. Some are totally on their own and sadly, finances mean more than some can ever know. Yet they still want a dog they have perhaps always dreamed about. They should be allowed to dream and find the dog they would so love to have if possible. People caught in this situation matter, too, and some are not financially well off enough to have to pay for irreputable breeders' poor choices plus suffer the psychological pain of being so taken in by a BYB'er/puppymiller/greeder in addition to watching their dog slowly die so soon after they got it, all as their funds dwindle and huge debt mounts. Some have no alternative but to painfully try to return the very ill dog for the money they can get in refund and try to find their companion at another, hopefully respected and reputable breeder's home. If we are going to buy and sell dogs for money from breeders who promise a healthy dog, then money and keeping promises are going to have to be part of the conversation when the dog sold is proven to be a sickly dog that shouldn't have been offered for sale. Returning a new, sickly puppy to a breeder is a personal and private decision and every pet owner has to decide what will work for them and their own personal situation in addition to that of the puppy.

So eloquently spoken...and so very true....explaning the other side of the coin in heartfelt words, with clarity and sensitive reasoning. The VERY LEAST a respectable, ethical breeder should be offering, is a healthy puppy! No new owner should ever have to go thru this.

[ColesMommy01]

@ yorkietalkjilly well said!!!!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

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So eloquently spoken...and so very true....explaning the other side of the coin in heartfelt words, with clarity and sensitive reasoning. The VERY LEAST a respectable, ethical breeder should be offering, is a healthy puppy! No new owner should ever have to go thru this.

Knowing what we know of this breeder, would anyone really want another puppy from her?