I'm getting a dna test done. Then what??

[navillusc]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I understand what you are saying... I was explaining recessive genes to my dd the other day... She was having a hard time understand how two brown eye parents can have a blue eye child but not two blue eye parents a brown eye child.

So.... recessive genes can be carried many generations and will show up only with another recessive gene. My question on your "human" example ... what was the father's gene pool?

Problem is that long hair is a recessive gene...short hair is a DOMINATE gene.

Two (2) parents that only carry recessive (long hair length) genes cannot pass on a DOMINATE (smooth coat / short hair length) gene because they do not possess the gene themselves.

If Minnie is genetically smooth coated, I would like to know from which recessive long hair parent...as presented to the OP...did she inherit a DOMINATE hair length gene neither of them carried genetically?

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

I agree with you here but will go one step further....It is obvious that Minnie is not completely a Yorkie.

Example in the human world: My mother's dearest friend Rita was married to Bill, they had a daughter Ruthie, Ruthie was very obviously (like Minnie) not a completely caucasion child.....Billy left Rita believing she had cheated on him....my mother convinced him that Rita did not cheat etc., wait for blood tests etc....come to find out a little known family secret was that Great Great Grandma was part African American part White...anyway...Ruthie looks more African American than white but she is beautiful and Rita and Billy are still married today. Noteworthy here is that Ruthie's children have barely a hint of African American, YOU would not know that they had it in their blood upon site. Ruthie you can tell immediately upon site.

My point here is this can happen in dog world too, I am not a fool I can look at Minnie and tell what she is NOT, don't tell me what I CAN clearly see (not a Yorkie), test results or not this pup is clearly mixed with something down the line.

Anybody, even with half eyesight can see the same thing you as you. I smell BS when it comes to that DNA test!

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by navillusc

Problem is that long hair is a recessive gene...short hair is a DOMINATE gene.

Two (2) parents that only carry recessive (long hair length) genes cannot pass on a DOMINATE (smooth coat / short hair length) gene because they do not possess the gene themselves.

If Minnie is genetically smooth coated, I would like to know from which recessive long hair parent...as presented to the OP...did she inherit a DOMINATE hair length gene neither of them carried genetically?

Good point. Baboon never did post pics of the parents.

[Anny Mendoza]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

Good point. Baboon never did post pics of the parents.

Nope,
And she hasn't posted since the results were revealed..

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by navillusc

Problem is that long hair is a recessive gene...short hair is a DOMINATE gene.

Two (2) parents that only carry recessive (long hair length) genes cannot pass on a DOMINATE (smooth coat / short hair length) gene because they do not possess the gene themselves.

If Minnie is genetically smooth coated, I would like to know from which recessive long hair parent...as presented to the OP...did she inherit a DOMINATE hair length gene neither of them carried genetically?

So it comes down to the immediate parents and not some throw-back gene from 15 generations back?

And the hair length is only determined by dominant genes?

No long-recessive gene can suddenly jump up and produce an atypical short-hair unless both parents fail to have the long-hair gene?

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

So it comes down to the immediate parents and not some throw-back gene from 15 generations back?

And the hair length is only determined by dominant genes?

No long-recessive gene can suddenly jump up and produce an atypical short-hair unless both parents fail to have the long-hair gene?

If it is proven that Minnie is the offspring of two long-haired Yorkies, I see two possibilities for Minnie's short hair: (1) A spontaneous mutation from recessive long hair to dominant short hair that occurred in the sperm or egg cell that gave rise to Minnie (possible, but not likely), or (2) Minnie's parents are carriers for a recessive gene for short hair, and Minnie received a copy from each of her parents (more likely). There ARE recessive genes for short hair that have cropped up in Havanese dogs. See this link: Short Haired Havanese Pictures, 7. It is something to make you wonder...

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by pstinard

If it is proven that Minnie is the offspring of two long-haired Yorkies, I see two possibilities for Minnie's short hair: (1) A spontaneous mutation from recessive long hair to dominant short hair that occurred in the sperm or egg cell that gave rise to Minnie (possible, but not likely), or (2) Minnie's parents are carriers for a recessive gene for short hair, and Minnie received a copy from each of her parents (more likely). There ARE recessive genes for short hair that have cropped up in Havanese dogs. See this link: Short Haired Havanese Pictures, 7. It is something to make you wonder...

Another link with a better explanation of the recessive short hair gene in the Havanese: Short Hair Havanese

I'm not saying that this is the exact gene that is affected in Minnie, but it's a possibility.

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by pstinard

(2) Minnie's parents are carriers for a recessive gene for short hair, and Minnie received a copy from each of her parents (more likely). There ARE recessive genes for short hair that have cropped up in Havanese dogs

If that is the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Minnie's parents are closely related. It would be interesting to see the pedigrees of Minnie's parents.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

If that is the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Minnie's parents are closely related. It would be interesting to see the pedigrees of Minnie's parents.

I don't recall--was Minnie AKC registered? If so, Jen can get the 5 generation pedigree from the AKC and see whether there was any recent inbreeding.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by pstinard

I don't recall--was Minnie AKC registered? If so, Jen can get the 5 generation pedigree from the AKC and see whether there was any recent inbreeding.

In this earlier thread it said that Minnie was ACA registered. Also on post #17 there is a picture that I think is suppose to be Minnie's mom. She does not look pure yorkie either.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-yorkie-2.html

[OwnedByJezebel]

Minnie's parents were supposedly ACA registered.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by bjh

In this earlier thread it said that Minnie was ACA registered. Also on post #17 there is a picture that I think is suppose to be Minnie's mom. She does not look pure yorkie either.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-yorkie-2.html

Oh, I see. Does the ACA have any meaningful pedigree information? I know they are not reputable, but I'm not familiar with their record keeping.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by bjh

In this earlier thread it said that Minnie was ACA registered. Also on post #17 there is a picture that I think is suppose to be Minnie's mom. She does not look pure yorkie either.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-yorkie-2.html

Thanks for posting the link to the other thread. I hadn't seen the photo of Minnie's mom. She has long hair, but its texture looks odd, and her nose is long (unless that's a trick of the angle the photo was taken from).

[gracielove]

If that is a true picture of Mininie's mom then I have a real hard time believing that she is a purebred Yorkie. She looks like a typical terrier mix with short fur and a few straggling long hairs. I don't want to sound critical of the dog. It's certainly not her fault that she is a victim of bad breeding but that is no typical Yorkie. The face does not even look shaved. It looks naturally short.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by pstinard

If it is proven that Minnie is the offspring of two long-haired Yorkies, I see two possibilities for Minnie's short hair: (1) A spontaneous mutation from recessive long hair to dominant short hair that occurred in the sperm or egg cell that gave rise to Minnie (possible, but not likely), or (2) Minnie's parents are carriers for a recessive gene for short hair, and Minnie received a copy from each of her parents (more likely). There ARE recessive genes for short hair that have cropped up in Havanese dogs. See this link: Short Haired Havanese Pictures, 7. It is something to make you wonder...

But it would take both parents having the recessive shorthair gene to get a shorthair puppy? That would seem to make it harder for this to happen.

Seeing the one picture I saw of one of the parents back on her original thread linked above, the ears and face are quite different from a Yorkie's, besides just the hair. Back on page 1 or 2 of that thread there was a picture. What would have to happen in the breeding to have produced that head and face in a Yorkie? More mutations or recessive genes?