I'm getting a dna test done. Then what??

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Ok I read the results and while I'm no geneticist, I can see that she is in the lowest range, but I still just can't see Minnie as a Yorkie, how sad that the breed is being so over bred that we can't even decipher the Yorkie from the Yorkie anymore.

Minnie is beautiful, don't get me wrong, she really is gorgeous, I would have loved to have a pup that looks like her she is so unique...at the end of the day the final analysis yields that Minnie is a Yorkie, the breeder did not lie, but the breeder did knowingly sell a very obvious poor representation of the Yorkie Standard, not sure there is any recourse here.

What say you Pstinard?

According to the figure captions for the PCA analysis, Minnie was compared with Yorkshire Terriers (US Show) and Yorkshire Terriers (UK Show). To me, that means that MARS used only DNA from show dogs in their comparisons with Minnie's DNA. It's interesting that the US Show dogs clustered more closely together, and that the UK Show dogs were more spread out (showed more diversity). (Sorry that doesn't answer your question, but it's something I just noticed, so I had to throw it out there.)

Back to the question... Yes, Minnie is a Yorkie, but the breeder did knowingly sell a poor representation of the Yorkie standard. (Wait for the hair to grow longer?!?!??? Give me a break!!!) I think that if this ever went to court, Cristina (Minnie's breeder) could argue that at least Minnie is genetically a Yorkie. If push came to shove, a parentage test could be ordered to determine whether Minnie is the offspring of the reported parents, but I'm guessing that the results of such a test would favor the breeder . Minnie is the result of a breeder who didn't know what she was doing, but at this point, I don't think there is much that Jen can do about it. Cristina has other ads on ebay, but it looks like her dog breeding is more of a sideline than a profession--I don't know whether her litters and breeding program are registered with the AKC. If I were Jen, I'd file a complaint with the AKC. I don't know what else she can do at this point other than love Minnie as a very special and unique dog.

[Yorkieaddict22]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

With Minnie recently being diagnosed with demodex would this have anything to do with lack of hair?? Or hair growth in general??

If she has demodex it can explain the hairloss. She's beautiful regardless, I have a chihuahua with demodex just need to take extra care. If you keep up with her treatment she should look like all other dogs!

[Yorkieaddict22]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

That's exactly what I was thinking when I was looking at pretty much every mix possible lol. If I recall did the breeder mention at all about having multiple dogs one being this breed?? This thread is so long I forget. Lol. The funny part is she kept telling me her hair will grow when I questioned her when minnie was about 13 weeks. If her "yorkies" and my Minnie look nothing alike how long did she think I would go with out wondering and trying to get answers somewhere else since all I got from her was a joke. It's really a shame that it had to come down to this. To call ur self a breeder and try and play innocent people for fools but never say never anything is possible right, ya never know. if it turns out she is purebred lol i will owe a huge apology to her, but honestly i think anyone that's Not blind would question it. First because she doesn't look like a yorkie and when someone questions the breeder as an adult and professionally and gets screamed at and threatening to take Minnie back and her telling me I don't love her and regretting selling her to me and then tells me something so bogus about giving it time and her turning it around and making me feel bad about sll of this, i end up apologizing to her and begin questioning my self. Then a month later I send messages to more then one number and hear nothing back. How long should I have waited for her hair to grow lol. I just wish I knew where her brother was and to c how he is doing

Even if she is purebred which I doubt the breeder NEEDS to give you some compensation. Demodex mange is transferred from mom to offspring so ALL her brothers and sisters have it. I think you need to get on her case! I did it with my chihuahua and the breeder gave me back half the money which was $250 my chihuahua was going bald and I spent way more on vet bills! Truly ridiculous I don't think there should be any breeders besides show breeders!!

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Yorkieaddict22

Even if she is purebred which I doubt the breeder NEEDS to give you some compensation. Demodex mange is transferred from mom to offspring so ALL her brothers and sisters have it. I think you need to get on her case! I did it with my chihuahua and the breeder gave me back half the money which was $250 my chihuahua was going bald and I spent way more on vet bills! Truly ridiculous I don't think there should be any breeders besides show breeders!!

Good point about the demodex! We were so caught up in the DNA aspect that we almost forgot--Jen does have a case for getting some money back due to Minnie's health issues. I hope Cristina (Minnie's breeder) does the right thing...

[Yorkieaddict22]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Good point about the demodex! We were so caught up in the DNA aspect that we almost forgot--Jen does have a case for getting some money back due to Minnie's health issues. I hope Cristina (Minnie's breeder) does the right thing...

I agree!! Thankfully my breeder was sweet but I will fight it because my poor baby has bald spots and that's now what you paid for!

[lillymae]

IF Jen can find out if her state has the puppy lemon laws, she CAN get ALL moneys she has put out on vet bills from the mange, back from the breeder. Any GOOD breeder would have already offered to pay those bills AND at the very least a partial refund for the purchase of the pup. What this breeder does now WILL tell IF her intentions are HONORABLE or not AND when anyone Googles this breeder from here on out YT & this thread WILL pop up for ALL to see, so it would be in the breeders best interest to do rite by Jen

[lillymae]

Just needed to add this. Even if her state has no puppy lemon laws, I am certain that Jen would win in court , her money for vet bills for the treatment of the mange.

[dollydoodle]

Who is the breeder? I only know her by baboon or Christina.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by dollydoodle

Who is the breeder? I only know her by baboon or Christina.

It has not been said, you may need to PM Jen for this info. IF I were Jen & going through this I WOULD Deff post that info to protect any future buyers. It Will come out before it's over with.

[Yorkiemommy1984]

Financially this isn't cheap because she's been there prolly 4 times for this condition already. I'm taking her back again today because there prolly going to add something else to it and add another round of treatments. They may end up having to shave her and do a cream who knows. But she's my baby and ill do whatever it takes to make her better. She didnt ask for this but she has it and as her mommy it's my job to make sure thst happens I would appreciate it if the breeder would have offered something but can I make her ?? Who knows i don't know enough details yet but well c.

[Nancy1999]

The certificate was printed sideways, and I wanted to make sure all of you could read what it says.

Wisdom Panel Professional certifies that: While Wisdom Panel professional is not designed as a purebred test our results indicate that the recent ancestry of Minnie only includes Yorkshire Terrier, June 5 2013.
Statement of Authenticity.
This certifies the authenticity of Minnie’s canine genetic background determined following careful analysis of more than 300 genetic markers using Wisdom Panel Professional. The purebred breed signature matches included in this analysis are those that were detected in the last three generations of Minnie’s ancestry using the proprietary breed detection algorithm at Mars Veterinary.

The first important point is that the test is not designed as a purebred test. Second point is they are only talking about the last 3 generations, and for most dog enthusiasts, this is way too limited.

As I stated earlier, this test measures against previous results. It’s considered one of the weakest forms of testing there is, however as they get a get a wider base, closer to 100 thousand or a million, the results will be much more dependable. With only 10,000 dogs in the sample, the results just aren’t that accurate in my opinion, since the genetic code of dogs is just so varied.

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemommy1984

Financially this isn't cheap because she's been there prolly 4 times for this condition already. I'm taking her back again today because there prolly going to add something else to it and add another round of treatments. They may end up having to shave her and do a cream who knows. But she's my baby and ill do whatever it takes to make her better. She didnt ask for this but she has it and as her mommy it's my job to make sure thst happens I would appreciate it if the breeder would have offered something but can I make her ?? Who knows i don't know enough details yet but well c.

PA does have a puppy lemon law:

Consumers: Protecting Consumers - Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General

See item #3:

To preserve your rights under the Law, you must take your newly purchased dog to a licensed veterinarian for examination within 10 days of purchase. If a veterinarian determines, within 10 days of purchase, that your dog is clinically ill or has died from an injury sustained or illness likely to have been contracted on or before the date of sale and delivery, you have the following options:
(a) Return the dog for a complete refund; (b) Return the dog for a replacement dog of equal value; OR (c) Retain the dog and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinary fees, not exceeding the purchase price.These options do not apply where a seller, who has provided a health certificate issued by a veterinarian, discloses in writing at the time of sale the health problem for which the buyer later seeks to return the dog.

[Yorkieaddict22]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

PA does have a puppy lemon law:

Consumers: Protecting Consumers - Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General

See item #3:

To preserve your rights under the Law, you must take your newly purchased dog to a licensed veterinarian for examination within 10 days of purchase. If a veterinarian determines, within 10 days of purchase, that your dog is clinically ill or has died from an injury sustained or illness likely to have been contracted on or before the date of sale and delivery, you have the following options:
(a) Return the dog for a complete refund; (b) Return the dog for a replacement dog of equal value; OR (c) Retain the dog and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinary fees, not exceeding the purchase price.These options do not apply where a seller, who has provided a health certificate issued by a veterinarian, discloses in writing at the time of sale the health problem for which the buyer later seeks to return the dog.

This law is similar to Florida, my advice would be to talk to the breeder yourself and try to resolve this. Believe it or not the court has better things to worry about and if she has a good lawyer which most do, they will find a crack. I would attempt to settle this calmly,I usually have my husband talk for me in cases like this to be like the mediator. If that doesn't work have an attorney write a letter, you need resolution and Im sure like most of us you have spent a lot of money in the purchase of your yorkie. In my area they are not below $1500 and although you love your puppy, she makes money and she needs to realize she's made a mistake. Im sure she looked DIFFRENT and Im sure the siblings have the same problem as you. Im empathize with you deeply!

[Yorkiemommy1984]

As much as the breeder says she loves her dogs I do believe her but in the same matter she is completly aware of the situation I'm in w Minnie with my concerns w her apparence and skin condition and and didnt act concerned about her apparence. or mention n e thing bout money to me. She said its cuz of her skin condition butbits not that cuz before her skin condition arrived her look was off. Her look was off at time of getting her. Did she really not think it was? I'm def not that type of person to ask for help but I am the type to expect to much out of people I guess

[joyziegirl]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

PA does have a puppy lemon law:

Consumers: Protecting Consumers - Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General

See item #3:

To preserve your rights under the Law, you must take your newly purchased dog to a licensed veterinarian for examination within 10 days of purchase. If a veterinarian determines, within 10 days of purchase, that your dog is clinically ill or has died from an injury sustained or illness likely to have been contracted on or before the date of sale and delivery, you have the following options:
(a) Return the dog for a complete refund; (b) Return the dog for a replacement dog of equal value; OR (c) Retain the dog and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinary fees, not exceeding the purchase price.These options do not apply where a seller, who has provided a health certificate issued by a veterinarian, discloses in writing at the time of sale the health problem for which the buyer later seeks to return the dog.

If Jen's breeder is just a person breeding her personal pets, and sells them directly to the public , and she's not a license business, none of those puppy laws apply to her. No law suit well hold up in court, Talk to the USDA, and your states Department of Consumer Affairs. Buying a puppy out of someone's house,..... same thing as buying something from their garage sale. Buyer Beware!