Kimbo ate PIZZA!!!!

[navillusc]

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie
I'm actually quite shocked at how many on this thread has had dogs eat large amounts of people food. How is this happening? I know the op said Kimbo got in the trash, but others? Like plates of food are just left out and dogs on tables or something.

Originally Posted by navillusc
I am curious...besides the boxes, bottles, and bags of chemicals colored and shaped to look, smell, and taste like food, what is the "real difference" between "people food" and "dog food"...seriously? After all "dog food" came into being as a commercial, "for profit" enterprise...and has fulfilled the "for profit" part so well that there are now hundreds of thousands of pet food "products"...and there are all these recalls...and dogs getting sick and dying...and there are ingredients in those "products" which are not fit for canine or human consumption.

If I could create a "garden" or "farm" where I only grew "dog food" perhaps I'd understand the difference. However, long before there was any product called a "dog"...anything...food...biscuit, etc., there was something we just called "food" and we grew it, and hunted it, and gathered it...and we people ate it and shared it with our dogs, cats, etc., to ensure their survival, and amazingly survived the ordeal.

I'd be concerned if the pizza was moldy, or there was something toxic in the trash can with the pizza that might have gotten on it, or even about all the nitrates and nitrites used to preserve the meats which could build up and cause long term health issues, but otherwise, I doubt there would be much of a problem...maybe a tummy ache...maybe a pukey-wukey.

Mine love pizza....they don't get it all that often, but they love it. I make it with all organic fresh ingredients including organic flour...or I get it from a source whose sources I also trust. My pizza is better for them than most 'commercial' dog food and it's minimally processed so there is actually more nutrition in it than high heat processed kibbles or cans. Additionally, with commercial kibble, even if the ingredients refer to what we think of healthy fruits and vegetables IN that kibble...and we think in terms of people nutrition mostly 'cuz most of us are not 'skilled' in canine/feline nutritional needs...we should take into consideration that THOSE fruits and vegetables 'may' be GMO, or sprayed with pesticides...watered by affluent dispersion, or from a polluted water source, or any number of other harmful things.

I've had pets almost continuously since I was a kid and they have all eaten "food" we cooked for them as well as some "commercial pet food" products...and all have lived in good health until quite old. When I feed healthy foods to my cats and dogs based on what the animal would hunt/eat in its 'normal'/'wild' environment, at least I have a halfway decent idea where the food came from and how it was prepared...and...I like that!

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie
I don't feed mine Purina or Beneful (1) if that's what you're getting at. They certainly don't get pizza from a chain, or even if it were organic grown from my own yard. Uni has pancreatitis and (2) no way I would give her pizza made by anyone, (3) not even yours. The op's dog accidentally got in the trash. Obviously, it was (4) not meant for the dog to get to. She (5) did not intentionally feed her dog pizza. Some people food can be dog food. I give mine fruits and veggies. (6) What I mean by "people" food is food that a dog shouldn't have, such as greasy salty fattening, etc. like pizza!



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Originally Posted by navillusc
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie

You (?a) went on a long rant (?b) about commercial dog food, and asked me (?b) questions and I answered them (?c). Not sure where the confusion is coming from.

...confused again...and saddened by the response...

I will look again when I have more time, but I do not recall seeing in the YT member rules, and was therefore completely unaware, that it is the "length" of a post that determines its status ("rant" vs information/opinion sharing, etc.) rather than the "tone" (confrontational, accusatory, defensive, congratulatory, welcoming, happy, etc. ) of the post. I asked exactly one rhetorical question which I myself answered within the same post...and asked nothing of you.

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Originally Posted by nanahas3
I think she is confused because in her post she was speaking of "All" commercial dog foods not just those two you mentioned.




Correct...thank you for your kind, polite intervention on my behalf.

I, in fact, did not mention brand at all...only industry (commercial, farm, private garden, hunting, gathering, etc.)...and made no references to the poster personally. I merely presented and answered one (1) purely rhetorical question based on a currently and widely held public 'mindset' created by highly successful advertising campaigns over more years than I have been alive that there are 'significant' (i.e., 'shocking') differences between the "sources" of "dog" vs. "people" foods. From that, incorrect conclusions were clearly formulated and escalations occurred even though I made no reference in what I wrote to anyone's handling/feeding of their dogs/pets other than myself. My post clearly shows that I knew the OP's dog ate ill-gotten ("trophy") gain (pizza) from the trash as well ("something toxic in the trash can with the pizza") rather than being intentionally fed it by the OP, whose post I actually read...see confusions (4) and (5) above. However...no worries..."capt_noonie" has seen to it that I've been substantially "put in my place" accordingly:

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie
Doubt it. It wasnt bolded in the 1,2,3,4,5,6 points.



...and I have re-learned the value of 'reading' other's posts rather than 'posting' my own knowledge and experiences...as well as the value of the PM....

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nanahas3,

Thank you. You were most kind, and I appreciate your response. I appreciate also that you understood what I meant. I wish you and yours all the best always!

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capt_noonie,



While I remain completely confused as to the responses I have received from you, I genuinely hope you and yours are well and happy, and that Uni never has another bout with pancreatitis, or any other illness, ever again.

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I know there are now considerably more than enough "inches" in this post to warrant another "rant" insinuation.

My apologies to the admins for the length required for hopefully complete understanding without getting me "banned" from YT, and for any disruption my post has caused for the YT forum.

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...now exiting this thread so as to not cause any further issue...

Take care, all!

[nanahas3]

You are welcome. I did read your entire post and maybe because I am older and have lived in an era where commercial dog foods were nothing more than a convienence (Not packed full of vitamans etc) as they are suppose to be now, and hence my father who raised hunting dogs always fed table scraps with it to supplement his dogs, I entirely understood where you are coming from. I felt your post as I hope mine and others was just us stating our opinions on this fact. If I lived in a perfect world in a perfect home my little ones would never be sick and always have nothing but the best of everything life has to offer but alas they are dogs and very curious ones at that. Kyra would eat anything if she thought was something she shouldnt so we are ever vigilent. God bless you all and enjoy your day.

[gracielove]

I'm glad to hear the OP's baby is back to normal. She certainly had every reason to be concerned. It sounds like she is a concerned Yorkie mom that watches her baby's diet well.

There are all kinds of opinions on the pet food industry going around. I would just add that not all dog's are the same. Some seem to be able to consume all kinds of foods while others can end up in the ER with one offending item in their belly. It is always better to error on the side of caution rather than be careless about things.

Many raise their skin kids eating sugary breakfast cereals made of bleached flower and things we cannot pronounce along with the long list of added vitamins. Many human foods come out of boxes and our fruits and veggies in many cases are genetically changed to be bug resistant and to all grow the same size so they will fit in that plastic bag properly. I could do a rant on human and pet foods. The way our foods are produced now is a far cry from 20 years ago. Information about how our foods are now produced is not exactly public knowledge. No newspaper or television station is going to rat on the people who pay to advertize in their publications or on their networks. People just get accustomed to change and do not have much of a choice about what is available.

Just like our kids the effects of these foods on our dogs do not show up so much until they start to age. They mght live long but how about quality of life? How many people spend the last 2 decades of their lives in nursing homes or just unable to enjoy life, dependent on medications in many cases?

Because we live such busy lives sometimes we are not able to serve the kind of meals that great grandma use to serve. She had fresh meats and veggies that were not genetically altered or sprayed with chemicals.

This does not pertain to the OP but just an observation and also perhaps a suggestion of why we should be a bit more careful about what goes into our pet's mouth. A little bit of something out of the ordinary is probably not going to effect our pet's short or long term health but a constant diet of foods that their bodies were not made to digest can have long term effects just as it does to us humans.

Best wishes to Kimbo. I'm sure that old pizza smelled great to him!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by navillusc

Quote:
Originally Posted by capt_noonie
I'm actually quite shocked at how many on this thread has had dogs eat large amounts of people food. How is this happening? I know the op said Kimbo got in the trash, but others? Like plates of food are just left out and dogs on tables or something.

Originally Posted by navillusc
I am curious...besides the boxes, bottles, and bags of chemicals colored and shaped to look, smell, and taste like food, what is the "real difference" between "people food" and "dog food"...seriously? After all "dog food" came into being as a commercial, "for profit" enterprise...and has fulfilled the "for profit" part so well that there are now hundreds of thousands of pet food "products"...and there are all these recalls...and dogs getting sick and dying...and there are ingredients in those "products" which are not fit for canine or human consumption.

If I could create a "garden" or "farm" where I only grew "dog food" perhaps I'd understand the difference. However, long before there was any product called a "dog"...anything...food...biscuit, etc., there was something we just called "food" and we grew it, and hunted it, and gathered it...and we people ate it and shared it with our dogs, cats, etc., to ensure their survival, and amazingly survived the ordeal.

I'd be concerned if the pizza was moldy, or there was something toxic in the trash can with the pizza that might have gotten on it, or even about all the nitrates and nitrites used to preserve the meats which could build up and cause long term health issues, but otherwise, I doubt there would be much of a problem...maybe a tummy ache...maybe a pukey-wukey.

Mine love pizza....they don't get it all that often, but they love it. I make it with all organic fresh ingredients including organic flour...or I get it from a source whose sources I also trust. My pizza is better for them than most 'commercial' dog food and it's minimally processed so there is actually more nutrition in it than high heat processed kibbles or cans. Additionally, with commercial kibble, even if the ingredients refer to what we think of healthy fruits and vegetables IN that kibble...and we think in terms of people nutrition mostly 'cuz most of us are not 'skilled' in canine/feline nutritional needs...we should take into consideration that THOSE fruits and vegetables 'may' be GMO, or sprayed with pesticides...watered by affluent dispersion, or from a polluted water source, or any number of other harmful things.

I've had pets almost continuously since I was a kid and they have all eaten "food" we cooked for them as well as some "commercial pet food" products...and all have lived in good health until quite old. When I feed healthy foods to my cats and dogs based on what the animal would hunt/eat in its 'normal'/'wild' environment, at least I have a halfway decent idea where the food came from and how it was prepared...and...I like that!

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie
I don't feed mine Purina or Beneful (1) if that's what you're getting at. They certainly don't get pizza from a chain, or even if it were organic grown from my own yard. Uni has pancreatitis and (2) no way I would give her pizza made by anyone, (3) not even yours. The op's dog accidentally got in the trash. Obviously, it was (4) not meant for the dog to get to. She (5) did not intentionally feed her dog pizza. Some people food can be dog food. I give mine fruits and veggies. (6) What I mean by "people" food is food that a dog shouldn't have, such as greasy salty fattening, etc. like pizza!



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Originally Posted by navillusc
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...confused again...and saddened by the response...

I will look again when I have more time, but I do not recall seeing in the YT member rules, and was therefore completely unaware, that it is the "length" of a post that determines its status ("rant" vs information/opinion sharing, etc.) rather than the "tone" (confrontational, accusatory, defensive, congratulatory, welcoming, happy, etc. ) of the post. I asked exactly one rhetorical question which I myself answered within the same post...and asked nothing of you.

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Originally Posted by nanahas3
I think she is confused because in her post she was speaking of "All" commercial dog foods not just those two you mentioned.




Correct...thank you for your kind, polite intervention on my behalf.

I, in fact, did not mention brand at all...only industry (commercial, farm, private garden, hunting, gathering, etc.)...and made no references to the poster personally. I merely presented and answered one (1) purely rhetorical question based on a currently and widely held public 'mindset' created by highly successful advertising campaigns over more years than I have been alive that there are 'significant' (i.e., 'shocking') differences between the "sources" of "dog" vs. "people" foods. From that, incorrect conclusions were clearly formulated and escalations occurred even though I made no reference in what I wrote to anyone's handling/feeding of their dogs/pets other than myself. My post clearly shows that I knew the OP's dog ate ill-gotten ("trophy") gain (pizza) from the trash as well ("something toxic in the trash can with the pizza") rather than being intentionally fed it by the OP, whose post I actually read...see confusions (4) and (5) above. However...no worries..."capt_noonie" has seen to it that I've been substantially "put in my place" accordingly:

Quote:
Originally Posted by capt_noonie
Doubt it. It wasnt bolded in the 1,2,3,4,5,6 points.



...and I have re-learned the value of 'reading' other's posts rather than 'posting' my own knowledge and experiences...as well as the value of the PM....

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nanahas3,

Thank you. You were most kind, and I appreciate your response. I appreciate also that you understood what I meant. I wish you and yours all the best always!

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capt_noonie,



While I remain completely confused as to the responses I have received from you, I genuinely hope you and yours are well and happy, and that Uni never has another bout with pancreatitis, or any other illness, ever again.

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I know there are now considerably more than enough "inches" in this post to warrant another "rant" insinuation.

My apologies to the admins for the length required for hopefully complete understanding without getting me "banned" from YT, and for any disruption my post has caused for the YT forum.

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...now exiting this thread so as to not cause any further issue...

Take care, all!

When you quote someone, you are directing your post at them. That's what you did with your long post about commercial dog food and you asked me what I thought was people food vs dog food. I answered you.