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06-23-2012, 03:39 PM | #31 |
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06-23-2012, 07:27 PM | #32 |
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| It's a very complex issue... There are very few breeders that would pass muster with YorkieTalk posters... there needs to be few dogs; few litters; only home raised litters, etc... and I agree... but the demand far out strips the supply... and that's how the puppy mills succeed. The tiny population of responsible breeders can only supply a minute portion of the demand... and if they supply more, they are immediately suspect, and pounced upon by the Yorkie community. But I continue to believe the root of the problem is the breed standard requiring Yorkies to be under 7#. A pup needs to be under 5# at a year and a half to meet the breed standard at two years old. If the 'ideal' Yorkie were more like 9 or 10#, we wouldn't have this obsession with tiny Yorkies. Anyone ever hear of a Cocker Spaniel under 7#? |
06-23-2012, 07:36 PM | #33 | |
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06-23-2012, 08:30 PM | #34 |
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| Everytime we buy a pupmill puppy we aren't saving that puppy, we are condeming the parenrs to a life of misery.
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06-23-2012, 08:48 PM | #35 | |
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06-23-2012, 08:49 PM | #36 |
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06-23-2012, 08:56 PM | #37 |
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| I know you love the puppy you picked out already but just think about her mother. You are sentencing that poor mom to a longer life lived in a cage, producing puppy after puppy wondering if anyone will save her and why she has to live this life. If everyone feels bad for the puppy and wants to "rescue it" the cycle will continue. In fact many puppy mills use this as a selling point as they know you will take pity and want to rescue it and therefor you buy it. More puppies will be produced to take that puppy's place while their parents live their whole lives in cages and then when they are too old to reproduce they are brutally killed. Do you really want to support that? Also keep in mind, not all puppy mills puppies are unhealthy just as all are not healthy. You are taking a huge gamble and it could end in heartbreak especially if you don't have the finances a sick one would cost.
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06-23-2012, 08:57 PM | #38 | |
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06-24-2012, 05:57 AM | #39 | |
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There is a puppy mill about 40 miles from me. They raise most of the small breeds. They are mixing them also in order to supply the "designer" puppies. They are located outside the city limits. They keep the dogs in outdoor kennels and they have hundreds of them. They sell to the local pet stores and they also have people who truck the puppies around the country. This is located in central NY. There is not a huge demand for small dogs in this area so most of the puppies are trucked out to other states. So they are supplying the "demand" for small dogs. For those who support this kind of breeding I would suggest you look at the intake of small breed dogs in the NYC area shelters. I receive an email from an agency that keeps track of dogs that go into those shelters weekly. It is so sad to see these dogs. Many are "designer" dogs that did not turn out to be the tiny purse sized dog the "demander" requested. Many are purebred but also did not turn out as expected. They are matted and a sad mess. Yes, there is a demand for the small dogs but this is a trendy thing. As capt_noonie said not everyone who wants a dog should have one. The puppy mills are bad but many of those who buy from them are not good care takers either. Many of them have never owned a dog and have no idea how to care for any kind of dog much less a tiny one. But so many people are used to having what they want when they want it so they throw all common sense out the window and buy that cute pet store puppy or go to that backyard breeder. Some end up with a puppy with no apparent problem and so they promote this type of purchase. However, for every one puppy that survives there are many that never make it alive to the pet store, many that carry diseases and genetic disorders and many mother and father dogs that are still sitting in a filthy cage for the entire length of their short painful lives. A responsible pet owner will take their time to find a breeder that knows what they are doing. The breeding of healthy dogs that fit the breed standard is not so simple as putting two nice looking dogs together. It requires a good working knowledge of genetics. It requires some good medical knowledge concerning the health and welfare of the dogs and it requires the ability to provide clean well equipped housing for the animals. Many of the people here on YT have purchased from backyard breeders and others that would not fit the qualifications that others on YT would approve of. They love their babies as they should. I don't fault them for what they did. Most people just do not know or understand what is going on in the dog breeding industry. At this point in time we are stalled in attempts to eliminate puppy mills. As long as those who could help refuse to care about the health and welfare of all dogs that suffer nothing is going to change. It takes action to stop this suffering. Nothing is to stop these greedy abusers by just talking about it. The public needs to be educated and those who are responsible breeders also need to help stop this abuse of animals. | |
06-24-2012, 06:06 AM | #40 |
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| You said you bought a puppy there In The past. Did you have any problems with it.? I'm guessing not or you wouldn't have returned.
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06-24-2012, 11:15 AM | #41 | |
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Sounds dramatic but the reality is it is dramatic torture less than 2% are reacued from pupmills...SPCA did an estimate report for every one puppy purchased three will die in a pup mill...NOT counting the parents. I know the OP has a hard descision to make we can all say not to buy or financially support this but her heart is torn and in matters of the heart there is no right answer. If yall remember the other thread...I'd not fault the OP here for writing the pup mill a check snagging the pup and canceling it...but don't really do that it's illegal.
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06-24-2012, 11:57 AM | #42 |
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| Just because a person buys a puppy mill puppy and it appears healthy for even the first year it does not mean that they got a healthy puppy. Many of the genetic disorders do not start to show up until well after the first birthday. I would not want that looming over my head after buying and falling in love with the little baby. Do any of you people realize how many Yorkies are surrendered to rescues because the owner cannot afford to pay the thousands of dollars to treat the genetic problem that showed up three and four years down the line? |
06-24-2012, 12:37 PM | #43 |
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| Oh thank goodness! I wish you lots of luck in your puppy search Take your time and buy your breeder first. You may have to wait a bit for a pup, but it will be SO worth it
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06-24-2012, 03:39 PM | #44 |
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| At 14 this is a tough decision to make. I'm 23 and lived a very mature teenagehood. I ran a business and learned the value of money very quickly from having a sick horse, and several other animals directly under my care (even some rescues). While in the heat of the moment it may feel like a wonderful thing to get a puppy immediately, think about all the troubles you could have in the future if the puppy gets sick. I don't want to be a downer, but picture if you will. You finally decide to go to college and move out of home, you've become extremely attached to fido, you love her. But in your first week of school away from home mom calls to tell you fido is sick yet again, and she doesn't know what to do. Rather than enjoying your time experiencing life you are worried sick about fido and are trying to figure out how to pay for school, pay for fun, and pay for fido's ever growing vet bills because fido is not getting better, not to mention the lost focus on your school work from being stressed out. I know it's harsh but I've had to make decisions like this before. It was for a horse but either way it's still an animal you care about. Please consider this when making your decision. If I could do everything over again I would have done things far differently. If you do decide to get this puppy, please, please, please get the best possible insurance plan for the dog immediately. You want the lowest possible deductible and the highest possible coverage. I have a pup now who I thought came from a reputable breeder, he's got a very sensitive system and has had issues for the past year. I've spent well over $4000 on the vet this year, thank god I have insurance, but not all of it was covered. I do not envy your decision. Best of luck with which ever decision you make, and know that this place is great for support. If you get the pup, we will help you make her life as best as possible. If you don't then we will support you and help you find a pup that will be healthy when you're ready for it, and when the right one comes along.
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06-24-2012, 03:56 PM | #45 |
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| It is sad but despite the fact that there are so many warnings and information here on YT most people decide to spin the wheel, roll the dice and bet on being the one that will get a healthy puppy. Well, they might get a healthy puppy from a puppy mill should it survive being taken from it's mom way too soon. The puppy may even do well it's first year. But then a year or more down the line those health issues start to pop up. Oh, well. You played the game and you are now the looser and so is the poor dog that belongs to someone who cannot afford the expense of the treatment needed to keep Fido alive. |
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