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Old 06-21-2012, 04:43 PM   #16
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My mom knows nothing about dogs that's why she isn't deciding. She hardly knows the difference between breeds lol
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I got my schnauzer at a mall . Never heard of a puppy mill before. She is the best dog we've ever had she mines very well has never been sick.She is 7yrs old.
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What an impossible dilemna... you take the dog, and the puppy mill prospers and you suffer.... you don't take the dog, and it is sold to someone else, and the puppy mill prospers and you suffer. I even struggle with rescue... aren't we teaching owners that it's ok to surrender your dog because there are loving rescue homes who will care for them and find them good homes? So, what is different about promoting rescue and promoting puppy mills.? I struggle with allocating a million dollars to a humane society shelter, but not passing laws to mandate spay/neuter. In the BEST shelters, there's an 85% kill rate. That fact escapes us Yorkie owners because an adorable Yorkie is adopted immediately after the waiting period. That doesn't mean the baby gets a good home... just that he gets another chance to be recycled. There is no one who would advocate we not rescue Yorkies... but what if we didn't?... What if youtube showed euthanizing babies who pee on the carpet...? What if there was no one to take those puppy mill babies who manage to make it thru their first year, but have behavior and health problems that lead their owners to abandon them.

If I were younger, I would take up the cause. I get ill when people jump on breeders like rightous evangelists, and then beg for help for the pup when it hits the pound. It's the same baby... why is it so noble to get medical care and a good family for the dog AFTER it leaves it's puppy mill home and first family... but absolutely demonic to take a puppy immediately out of puppy mill hell?

Take the baby... you've already touched her... her life may be short and painful, but at least maybe she won't have to pass thru the pound before she dies.

I don't know what the answer is... but the question is much deeper than most are asking.
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If I had become attached to the dog, I'd take it. I'd get a very good insurance plan immediately.
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The fact is that by buying a puppy mill puppy you are enabling the people who run the place to continue to torture dogs and puppies. You are not rescuing a puppy from a puppy mill. You are simply continuing the cycle of suffering. Those dogs live in small dirty cages for the full length of their days. If the puppy mill goes out of business then at least caring people can go in and save the ones that can be saved.

You need to let your mom know the facts about this puppy. You could be putting her in a very difficult situation if the puppy is ill. Many puppy mill puppies do not live more than a few days after purchase while others have diseases that are very costly to treat. There are some that will survive with treatment but that is only a percentage. Most of those do not look much like the dog the buyer thought they were getting for their money.

I'm sure your mom works hard for her money and it sounds like you and she are going through some difficult times. I would hate to have you also face a sick puppy with large vet bills. You could be one of the few lucky ones that get a healthy puppy but the odds are against you. At least inform your mom about what you could be facing. Maybe she could help you find a better choice for your puppy. I'm sure she is a smart woman that can figure it out.
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What an impossible dilemna... you take the dog, and the puppy mill prospers and you suffer.... you don't take the dog, and it is sold to someone else, and the puppy mill prospers and you suffer. I even struggle with rescue... aren't we teaching owners that it's ok to surrender your dog because there are loving rescue homes who will care for them and find them good homes? So, what is different about promoting rescue and promoting puppy mills.? I struggle with allocating a million dollars to a humane society shelter, but not passing laws to mandate spay/neuter. In the BEST shelters, there's an 85% kill rate. That fact escapes us Yorkie owners because an adorable Yorkie is adopted immediately after the waiting period. That doesn't mean the baby gets a good home... just that he gets another chance to be recycled. There is no one who would advocate we not rescue Yorkies... but what if we didn't?... What if youtube showed euthanizing babies who pee on the carpet...? What if there was no one to take those puppy mill babies who manage to make it thru their first year, but have behavior and health problems that lead their owners to abandon them.

If I were younger, I would take up the cause. I get ill when people jump on breeders like rightous evangelists, and then beg for help for the pup when it hits the pound. It's the same baby... why is it so noble to get medical care and a good family for the dog AFTER it leaves it's puppy mill home and first family... but absolutely demonic to take a puppy immediately out of puppy mill hell?

Take the baby... you've already touched her... her life may be short and painful, but at least maybe she won't have to pass thru the pound before she dies.

I don't know what the answer is... but the question is much deeper than most are asking.
This is exactly how I feel 100 percent. How can we demonize one side and champion the other. I love dogs and want them all to be cared for no matter where they started. Some say don't support the mills but some of these mills have pups living in crap conditions, I don't feel comfortable watching a dog suffer but that's just me.
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This is exactly how I feel 100 percent. How can we demonize one side and champion the other. I love dogs and want them all to be cared for no matter where they started. Some say don't support the mills but some of these mills have pups living in crap conditions, I don't feel comfortable watching a dog suffer but that's just me.
Unless we stop giving those puppy mills the money to continue to keep those dogs in such horrid conditions we are not solving anything. Yes, those dogs need help but to continue to support such a horrific business is to continue the suffering. It is the same as if you were to buy slaves to give them freedom. It only allows the slave trade to continue to prosper and get more slaves to sell. You have to put slave master out of business in order to stop the suffering!
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Unless we stop giving those puppy mills the money to continue to keep those dogs in such horrid conditions we are not solving anything. Yes, those dogs need help but to continue to support such a horrific business is to continue the suffering. It is the same as if you were to buy slaves to give them freedom. It only allows the slave trade to continue to prosper and get more slaves to sell. You have to put slave master out of business in order to stop the suffering!
What you say is true but you're not addressing the issue. The pup that you're getting at the rescue is probably the same pup from the mill. What is the difference between helping them now or after they've left their first family. By no means am I saying go to the puppy mill and get a dog but at the same time I'm not condemning anyone who does.

I got Giorgio from what I now know as a BYB. I have no regrets and his breeder is still selling dogs. That's her issue. I got my baby and he is a sweetheart. If her puppies were confiscated and sent to a rescue, this community would encourage people to rescue those dogs so that's where I get confused. I don't have the answer on how to stop the mills but I would think spay and neutering is a good place to start.
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The difference between purchasing a puppy from a puppy mill and rescuing are day and night! It's all about EDUCATION! Once the puppy is purchased by someone that doesn't know better, that dog is already out of the mill's hands. By adopting a rescue, you are not putting any more money into the miller's hands. If we can reach folks BEFORE they purchase, and hopefully redirect them to a reputable breeder or even rescue, then that is one less puppy that the miller will sell. Yes, the puppies are in horrible conditions and yes they deserve to be loved and cared for just like every other dog. But if we could put a dent in the demand, the supply would slow down. Rescued dogs, even if they started out at a mill, are not the same as purchasing a dog from a KNOWN mill. These poor dogs in rescue often have medical and social issues that the purchaser finds that they can't handle, so they end up in shelters, where the rescues try their best to get them and rehab them for a new home.

I don't think that there is ANY comparison between KNOWINGLY purchasing a puppy mill dog and adopting a rescue. Logic.
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My mom knows nothing about dogs that's why she isn't deciding. She hardly knows the difference between breeds lol
I don't mean to be a downer on getting a new pup, but I do have some concerns for you and your mom.

Based on what you have said above, does your mom know the overall long term cost involved with any dog, but especially this breed? It can be quite expensive for just these little ones routine care and the cost is devastating when the real medical issues come up. I think it's only fair that the costs is explained to her and that she fully understands the responsibility she is taking on. As it will be ultimatelybe on her, due your age and lack of imcome....is she ok with that?

What about when you are in high school and your social life is booming, is there going to be time for a puppy? Does your mom have the time for a dog then, as it will be mostly hers...you will be way to busy.

Not trying to discourage, just adding some thoughts for you to consider on top of what all has let you know about taking on puppy mill pups. I'm sorry you have to face all this but you will be well informed to say the least. Please think.....think long and hard.
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The difference between purchasing a puppy from a puppy mill and rescuing are day and night! It's all about EDUCATION! Once the puppy is purchased by someone that doesn't know better, that dog is already out of the mill's hands. By adopting a rescue, you are not putting any more money into the miller's hands. If we can reach folks BEFORE they purchase, and hopefully redirect them to a reputable breeder or even rescue, then that is one less puppy that the miller will sell. Yes, the puppies are in horrible conditions and yes they deserve to be loved and cared for just like every other dog. But if we could put a dent in the demand, the supply would slow down. Rescued dogs, even if they started out at a mill, are not the same as purchasing a dog from a KNOWN mill. These poor dogs in rescue often have medical and social issues that the purchaser finds that they can't handle, so they end up in shelters, where the rescues try their best to get them and rehab them for a new home.

I don't think that there is ANY comparison between KNOWINGLY purchasing a puppy mill dog and adopting a rescue. Logic.
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Perhaps saving the dogs that live in filth and suffering all the days of their lives would be a reason NOT to buy from a puppy mill. There are thousands of dogs being kept in filthy cages and forced to produce litter after litter of puppies in order to satisfy the desires of people who care nothing about the suffering that the adult dogs endure just so they can obtain that cute little puppy. When these dogs have served their purpose they suffer horrible deaths or are tied to a post at a local shelter. What about the dogs that are live in that puppy mill? Those are the ones we want to save! The poor mother dogs that never see light of day and are never let out of that tiny cage, and who are filthy from laying in uncleaned cages. That is where your cute little puppy comes from.
If you can close your eyes to that kind of suffering and say your not a puppy snob then you have missed the point of the whole issue. These animals are suffering horribly. That is the issue! Not who rescues the puppy that happened to make it out of a puppy mill alive! This is not about one dog being better than another because of where it came from. It is about stopping the suffering of those who LIVE and DIE in the puppy mill.
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What is the name of the place? Im looking to get a new baby soon and we are in the same area.
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What is the name of the place? Im looking to get a new baby soon and we are in the same area.
PLEASE tell me that you want to know the name of this place so that you can avoid it!!!!
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no question for me i would buy the puppy
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