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PattiNumber_H · 01-23-2012, 01:44 AM

Before ever officially joining Yorkie Talk I was a Yorkie Stalker. I came here, read tons of threads, any question I would google pertaining to yorkies would also lead me here. I liked a lot of what I read, I like the non-info as much as the true info. I decided, I'm ready to join and I am glad that I did. Now, I can imagine, hundreds of other members have the exact same story I just listed and I know just from people's general curiosity, they will shop before buying so to speak. They too will come here, read and look around before creating a profile.

So what is the deal with all of the op's and their seemingly naive but truly offensive posts? You know the ones; I am going to buy from a pet store, I just bought from a pet store, I want my 3lb 1 yr old female to have puppies so I can be a grandma , I want a teacup teddy bear, micro yorkie how much will it cost to have her shipped from FL to OR and by the way she is only 8 weeks old? Because of all the shady people that have been banned and most certainly have nothing better to do with their time, I am truly convinced that these "ops" are in fact those wierdos posing as newbies posting such blatant stupidity in an attempt to aggrevate those people that would debate them in the past, that is before they were given the boot. And unfortunately, it works

Excuse the very direct language, however it is absolutely blatantly stupid to have read what this forum is about and stands for and post such controversial questions/comments anyway. I give the general public much more credit than this, this is why I believe they are hoaxes. I will go through and scan as many past threads relating to puppymills, breeding ethics, animal welfare, and rather than engage these op's, just welcome them and post a link for them. Let them do some of the work, trust me, you guys have done an awesome job, all the information is here.

I wrote this after having posted in a thread titled "teddy bear yorkie" or something like that, I stooped, poked fun, and don't like to behave that way. Thanks for reading.

BabyFidgette · 01-23-2012, 02:17 AM

There are some trolls who come here to cause problems with those fake posts. But I believe a lot are real. The reason I think they may not come back is the responses they get. What I mean by that is...most don't come and ask SHOULD I buy a six week old Yorkie. They say I already got one, now what? It's ridiculous to yell at the person at this stage. Believe me, they will learn their lesson! We just have to be happy they came here to learn how to take care of this little one. Many people here don't see the problem at hand and only see the drama words like six weeks, teacup, pet store, etc. If we bite our tongue instead of saying wtf did you do!? We may learn how these babies turn out. JMHO.

But yes, there are a lot of people who know nothing about the breed they just purchased.

DBlain · 01-23-2012, 06:24 AM

I am new to YT so I did not really think about these OP's being fakes, but I did wonder how come so many people can be so stupid. There were a couple of threads that talked about getting pups that were only about 4-6 weeks old and yet they believed they they were more like 8-12 until they got to the vet. Yorkies are expensive, and they are a living breathing commitment that hopefully you have for at least 10 years. So when I read these threads I can't help but screaming the question why would you spend less time researching the breed and how to purchase it then you would if you were buying a smart phone or a laptop. I can't accept that someone would say, I was walking by a pet store and this dog caught my eye, or there was a shopping cart full of cute puppies and I could not resist a a pair of them. Sure I might go to the grocery store for milk and in a moment of weakness buy a chips and a chocolate cake, but not a frigging puppy!!!

Lovetodream88 · 01-23-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DBlain

I am new to YT so I did not really think about these OP's being fakes, but I did wonder how come so many people can be so stupid. There were a couple of threads that talked about getting pups that were only about 4-6 weeks old and yet they believed they they were more like 8-12 until they got to the vet. Yorkies are expensive, and they are a living breathing commitment that hopefully you have for at least 10 years. So when I read these threads I can't help but screaming the question why would you spend less time researching the breed and how to purchase it then you would if you were buying a smart phone or a laptop. I can't accept that someone would say, I was walking by a pet store and this dog caught my eye, or there was a shopping cart full of cute puppies and I could not resist a a pair of them. Sure I might go to the grocery store for milk and in a moment of weakness buy a chips and a chocolate cake, but not a frigging puppy!!!

Lovetodream88 · 01-23-2012, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

There are some trolls who come here to cause problems with those fake posts. But I believe a lot are real. The reason I think they may not come back is the responses they get. What I mean by that is...most don't come and ask SHOULD I buy a six week old Yorkie. They say I already got one, now what? It's ridiculous to yell at the person at this stage. Believe me, they will learn their lesson! We just have to be happy they came here to learn how to take care of this little one. Many people here don't see the problem at hand and only see the drama words like six weeks, teacup, pet store, etc. If we bite our tongue instead of saying wtf did you do!? We may learn how these babies turn out. JMHO.

But yes, there are a lot of people who know nothing about the breed they just purchased.

I think offering them help and then adding a side note that yorkie puppies shouldn't go home until 12 weeks is the best thing to do. There is nothing wrong with giving people information and helping them. They obviously didn't know not to get a puppy that young or from where they did so what makes you think after getting the puppy they would all of a sudden know without anyone telling them or explaining it to them?

DBlain · 01-23-2012, 06:49 AM

When it comes to teacup yorkies, this will be a constant battle. My dogs have always been on average about 5-6 lbs. EVERYTIME I would be out with one of them, people would come over to talk to us, they would either share stories of their dog or someone they knew. Almost everyone would ask; "is that a teacup". And I would say no it is not it is just a yorkie, there is only one type of yorkies, teacups and toys are not a type like toy poodles. They would tell me, "well my mom, friend, whatever has a teacup", and act like I did not know what I was talking about. Then these same people later will see web site after web site advertising AKC registered tea cup yorkies. On top of it all there is a demand for the little ones, at this point I would say the majority of people buying a yorkie wants one 4 lbs or less. For so many pet yorkie owners low weight seems to be a sense of pride. The proff in that is that almost the first thing you get asked when someone finds out you have a yorkie is what does it weigh. People seem to gloat if there dog is smaller than yours, well mine is 4lbs, or mine is only 3 lbs, it's like a badge of honor. I also think this is the same with maltese and chici. I have a lot of friends that have small yorkies, while I don't encourage it, I also don't argue with them about it since it their choice and their dogs are healthy and well taken care of.

Lovetodream88 · 01-23-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DBlain

When it comes to teacup yorkies, this will be a constant battle. My dogs have always been on average about 5-6 lbs. EVERYTIME I would be out with one of them, people would come over to talk to us, they would either share stories of their dog or someone they knew. Almost everyone would ask; "is that a teacup". And I would say no it is not it is just a yorkie, there is only one type of yorkies, teacups and toys are not a type like toy poodles. They would tell me, "well my mom, friend, whatever has a teacup", and act like I did not know what I was talking about. Then these same people later will see web site after web site advertising AKC registered tea cup yorkies. On top of it all there is a demand for the little ones, at this point I would say the majority of people buying a yorkie wants one 4 lbs or less. For so many pet yorkie owners low weight seems to be a sense of pride. The proff in that is that almost the first thing you get asked when someone finds out you have a yorkie is what does it weigh. People seem to gloat if there dog is smaller than yours, well mine is 4lbs, or mine is only 3 lbs, it's like a badge of honor. I also think this is the same with maltese and chici. I have a lot of friends that have small yorkies, while I don't encourage it, I also don't argue with them about it since it their choice and their dogs are healthy and well taken care of.

Me and my mom are weird we get so excited when someone says they have a bigger yorkie around Callie or Sammy's size which is 16 pounds. Don't get me wrong I love all yorkies tiny, small, or bigger but I get excited with the bigger ones because I am not so worried about them getting hurt. I do get what your saying though I have had people ask what Callie is and I will be like just a bigger yorkie and they go oh I have a yorkie but it is way smaller then yours like bragging.

azkaty · 01-23-2012, 06:58 AM

Yorkies have some unique issues that the average person does not know.. they are not just small dogs. People that think they can buy a 4-6 week old yorkie, are thinking that they are like any other breed which they are not. Their needs are much more specific and demanding.But unless the research is done, the new owner will not have a clue.This all has been posted many times on this forum..I sure wish every new prospective yorkie owner would do good research so that they would learn what they needed to prior to getting one. It would save allot of heartache and potential illness , injuries or death of these little ones.Not even mention the thousands of dollars spent..

chachi · 01-23-2012, 07:00 AM

I believe most of them are true people and can be can be naive even stupid. But when they are given the info and they argue like about going to a vet espeicially in life and death situations then they are informed and choosing to take their own path and their own consequences. Then what usually follows is a rip thread where everyone is consoling the OP and the passionate members are screaming inside because they know it didnt have to happen.

Taryn0405 · 01-23-2012, 07:00 AM

I pray that the Yorkie popularity and the trend of dummy-ing down the dog size ends.
Sadly when a dog gets "popular" or "trendy" is when the breed seems to have the highest health problems (due to over breeding, byb, etc.). If I remember correctly the Cocker Spaniel, Beagle, and Dalmation went through the popular phases too and the breed basically had to be slowly revived.

DBlain · 01-23-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DBlain

I am new to YT so I did not really think about these OP's being fakes, but I did wonder how come so many people can be so stupid. There were a couple of threads that talked about getting pups that were only about 4-6 weeks old and yet they believed they they were more like 8-12 until they got to the vet. Yorkies are expensive, and they are a living breathing commitment that hopefully you have for at least 10 years. So when I read these threads I can't help but screaming the question why would you spend less time researching the breed and how to purchase it then you would if you were buying a smart phone or a laptop. I can't accept that someone would say, I was walking by a pet store and this dog caught my eye, or there was a shopping cart full of cute puppies and I could not resist a a pair of them. Sure I might go to the grocery store for milk and in a moment of weakness buy a chips and a chocolate cake, but not a frigging puppy!!!

when I said screaming, I should have said "in my mind" while I might be thinking these things inside I do try to be polite in my advice, that is if I feel like even giving it to people who might not be smart enough to absorb it. I am glad that a veteran YTalker brought up the fact that she seems to think that some of these treads were started by tools trying to stir up an argument because I was starting to wonder how I could remain polite and upbeat if this was the norm for this site.

chachi · 01-23-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DBlain

when I said screaming, I should have said "in my mind" while I might be thinking these things inside I do try to be polite in my advice, that is if I feel like even giving it to people who might not be smart enough to absorb it. I am glad that a veteran YTalker brought up the fact that she seems to think that some of these treads were started by tools trying to stir up an argument because I was starting to wonder how I could remain polite and upbeat if this was the norm for this site.

We knew what you meant and we will be screaming inside too or we will be called rude, attacking or badgering the OP because we dont agree and go along with what they post

NewYorksBrandy · 01-23-2012, 07:30 AM

I feel that some people here give you what your looking for and I value everyones oppinon.. For one I bought my Brandy from a pet shop what I didn't know was that is was not the best idea because I didn't know much about puppy mills or pet shops sick animals.. When I can to this forum I was looking for the truth and the up and downs about the choice I made. My Brandy has been sick since I got her but after time she is getting better and the pet shop has helped us.. now as for tea cups pups.. I heared even as a non pet owner that their is no such thing.. but who am I to judge.. I was coming home from Fl sat and Brandy was barking at the airport.. the lady in front of us has a yorkie to and was like when she barks to get a spray bottle and spray her.. I was like what? she said that's how she trained her's.. mean while her dog is a year old and she asked if she could see Brandy and I told her ok.. I took Brandy out her carrier and she was like wow your dog is ig for 5 months.. I was like what you talking about?she was like a got a tea cup its 4lbs.. I was like and...she looked at me like I was crazy.. I like Brandy just the big girl she is.. I like the small ones to but I couldn't see my self with one...but here I got the whole truth even if it was good or bad and I have learned a lot..

megansmomma · 01-23-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi

I believe most of them are true people and can be can be naive even stupid. But when they are given the info and they argue like about going to a vet espeicially in life and death situations then they are informed and choosing to take their own path and their own consequences. Then what usually follows is a rip thread where everyone is consoling the OP and the passionate members are screaming inside because they know it didnt have to happen.

I try to stay out of sick and injured because of what goes on in that section of the forum. There was a time that I posted there but truthfully I just couldn't take it any longer. There were a couple of members that turned with forum upside down with all of the drama that went on with their sick dogs and lack of care given. I decided that I needed to just back away if I wanted to continue to be a member of this forum.

What makes me want to bang my head are the people that post generic replies without any answer to the question and then turn around to tell others how to post. Or better yet post a generic reply and a link.....don't they think the OPer can do a google search too? They ended up on YT didn't they?

They are looking for answers not a Google search.

gracielove · 01-23-2012, 09:22 AM

I think some are trolls just looking to stir up the population.

You also have to remember that most of the people on YT have a great deal of information available to them and have learned a lot about the breed and about purebred dogs in general. It is a sad fact that the majority of the population think that all there is to buying a purebred dog is checking to see if it has AKC papers. There is no public place that informs the general public about purebred dogs and the people who are out there abusing them. It appears that many of the people here have had to learn about these things after their first purchase.

I think it is a good idea to try to educate people. Give them the benefit of the doubt at first. If they come back as argumentative then you may very well have a troll. It is a waste of time to argue with a troll. Their purpose is to stir up controversy and they are on every type of forum there is. Just ignore them.

01-23-2012, 01:44 AM	#1
PattiNumber_H No Longer a Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pasadena, CA US Posts: 193	Sad and Disturbing If True Before ever officially joining Yorkie Talk I was a Yorkie Stalker. I came here, read tons of threads, any question I would google pertaining to yorkies would also lead me here. I liked a lot of what I read, I like the non-info as much as the true info. I decided, I'm ready to join and I am glad that I did. Now, I can imagine, hundreds of other members have the exact same story I just listed and I know just from people's general curiosity, they will shop before buying so to speak. They too will come here, read and look around before creating a profile. So what is the deal with all of the op's and their seemingly naive but truly offensive posts? You know the ones; I am going to buy from a pet store, I just bought from a pet store, I want my 3lb 1 yr old female to have puppies so I can be a grandma , I want a teacup teddy bear, micro yorkie how much will it cost to have her shipped from FL to OR and by the way she is only 8 weeks old? Because of all the shady people that have been banned and most certainly have nothing better to do with their time, I am truly convinced that these "ops" are in fact those wierdos posing as newbies posting such blatant stupidity in an attempt to aggrevate those people that would debate them in the past, that is before they were given the boot. And unfortunately, it works Excuse the very direct language, however it is absolutely blatantly stupid to have read what this forum is about and stands for and post such controversial questions/comments anyway. I give the general public much more credit than this, this is why I believe they are hoaxes. I will go through and scan as many past threads relating to puppymills, breeding ethics, animal welfare, and rather than engage these op's, just welcome them and post a link for them. Let them do some of the work, trust me, you guys have done an awesome job, all the information is here. I wrote this after having posted in a thread titled "teddy bear yorkie" or something like that, I stooped, poked fun, and don't like to behave that way. Thanks for reading.

01-23-2012, 02:17 AM	#2
BabyFidgette Learn Yorkie CPR! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,855	There are some trolls who come here to cause problems with those fake posts. But I believe a lot are real. The reason I think they may not come back is the responses they get. What I mean by that is...most don't come and ask SHOULD I buy a six week old Yorkie. They say I already got one, now what? It's ridiculous to yell at the person at this stage. Believe me, they will learn their lesson! We just have to be happy they came here to learn how to take care of this little one. Many people here don't see the problem at hand and only see the drama words like six weeks, teacup, pet store, etc. If we bite our tongue instead of saying wtf did you do!? We may learn how these babies turn out. JMHO. But yes, there are a lot of people who know nothing about the breed they just purchased. __________________ Nicole & Baby "The more men I meet, the more I love my Yorkie!"

01-23-2012, 06:58 AM	#8
azkaty & "The Bunny" Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 806	Yorkies have some unique issues that the average person does not know.. they are not just small dogs. People that think they can buy a 4-6 week old yorkie, are thinking that they are like any other breed which they are not. Their needs are much more specific and demanding.But unless the research is done, the new owner will not have a clue.This all has been posted many times on this forum..I sure wish every new prospective yorkie owner would do good research so that they would learn what they needed to prior to getting one. It would save allot of heartache and potential illness , injuries or death of these little ones.Not even mention the thousands of dollars spent.. __________________ Katy

01-23-2012, 07:00 AM	#9
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I believe most of them are true people and can be can be naive even stupid. But when they are given the info and they argue like about going to a vet espeicially in life and death situations then they are informed and choosing to take their own path and their own consequences. Then what usually follows is a rip thread where everyone is consoling the OP and the passionate members are screaming inside because they know it didnt have to happen. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

01-23-2012, 07:00 AM	#10
Taryn0405 Owned by a Gremlin Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Mitten State! Posts: 3,706	I pray that the Yorkie popularity and the trend of dummy-ing down the dog size ends. Sadly when a dog gets "popular" or "trendy" is when the breed seems to have the highest health problems (due to over breeding, byb, etc.). If I remember correctly the Cocker Spaniel, Beagle, and Dalmation went through the popular phases too and the breed basically had to be slowly revived. __________________ Taryn Momma to Gizmo AKA Monkeyman My husband, daughter, son, and dog make me who I am "My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am."

01-23-2012, 06:24 AM	#3
DBlain Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Oakland County MI Posts: 6,190	I am new to YT so I did not really think about these OP's being fakes, but I did wonder how come so many people can be so stupid. There were a couple of threads that talked about getting pups that were only about 4-6 weeks old and yet they believed they they were more like 8-12 until they got to the vet. Yorkies are expensive, and they are a living breathing commitment that hopefully you have for at least 10 years. So when I read these threads I can't help but screaming the question why would you spend less time researching the breed and how to purchase it then you would if you were buying a smart phone or a laptop. I can't accept that someone would say, I was walking by a pet store and this dog caught my eye, or there was a shopping cart full of cute puppies and I could not resist a a pair of them. Sure I might go to the grocery store for milk and in a moment of weakness buy a chips and a chocolate cake, but not a frigging puppy!!!

01-23-2012, 06:49 AM	#6
DBlain Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Oakland County MI Posts: 6,190	When it comes to teacup yorkies, this will be a constant battle. My dogs have always been on average about 5-6 lbs. EVERYTIME I would be out with one of them, people would come over to talk to us, they would either share stories of their dog or someone they knew. Almost everyone would ask; "is that a teacup". And I would say no it is not it is just a yorkie, there is only one type of yorkies, teacups and toys are not a type like toy poodles. They would tell me, "well my mom, friend, whatever has a teacup", and act like I did not know what I was talking about. Then these same people later will see web site after web site advertising AKC registered tea cup yorkies. On top of it all there is a demand for the little ones, at this point I would say the majority of people buying a yorkie wants one 4 lbs or less. For so many pet yorkie owners low weight seems to be a sense of pride. The proff in that is that almost the first thing you get asked when someone finds out you have a yorkie is what does it weigh. People seem to gloat if there dog is smaller than yours, well mine is 4lbs, or mine is only 3 lbs, it's like a badge of honor. I also think this is the same with maltese and chici. I have a lot of friends that have small yorkies, while I don't encourage it, I also don't argue with them about it since it their choice and their dogs are healthy and well taken care of.

01-23-2012, 07:30 AM	#13
NewYorksBrandy YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Corona ny Posts: 473	I feel that some people here give you what your looking for and I value everyones oppinon.. For one I bought my Brandy from a pet shop what I didn't know was that is was not the best idea because I didn't know much about puppy mills or pet shops sick animals.. When I can to this forum I was looking for the truth and the up and downs about the choice I made. My Brandy has been sick since I got her but after time she is getting better and the pet shop has helped us.. now as for tea cups pups.. I heared even as a non pet owner that their is no such thing.. but who am I to judge.. I was coming home from Fl sat and Brandy was barking at the airport.. the lady in front of us has a yorkie to and was like when she barks to get a spray bottle and spray her.. I was like what? she said that's how she trained her's.. mean while her dog is a year old and she asked if she could see Brandy and I told her ok.. I took Brandy out her carrier and she was like wow your dog is ig for 5 months.. I was like what you talking about?she was like a got a tea cup its 4lbs.. I was like and...she looked at me like I was crazy.. I like Brandy just the big girl she is.. I like the small ones to but I couldn't see my self with one...but here I got the whole truth even if it was good or bad and I have learned a lot.. __________________ yours Roz and Brandy

01-23-2012, 09:22 AM	#15
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	I think some are trolls just looking to stir up the population. You also have to remember that most of the people on YT have a great deal of information available to them and have learned a lot about the breed and about purebred dogs in general. It is a sad fact that the majority of the population think that all there is to buying a purebred dog is checking to see if it has AKC papers. There is no public place that informs the general public about purebred dogs and the people who are out there abusing them. It appears that many of the people here have had to learn about these things after their first purchase. I think it is a good idea to try to educate people. Give them the benefit of the doubt at first. If they come back as argumentative then you may very well have a troll. It is a waste of time to argue with a troll. Their purpose is to stir up controversy and they are on every type of forum there is. Just ignore them.