Hi new here and question

[Taryn0405]

Once again, do not yell at the dog while she is peeing. You simply pick her up, calmly, take her outside, and say "Potty" when after a few minutes if she walks around outside, bring her back in, and then clean up the mess without yelling, cursing, whatever.

This whole "alpha" dog doesn't work with Terriers. They use complately different training techniques, and many times people don't want to listen and the dog ends up in a shelter. Hence the reason Yorkies are found so many times in rescues.

This dog associates you with everything being negative. You're her owner, you're her caretaker, and you need to be the one that has to change. That means never, EVER putting her in the crate for "punishiment". The crate is a safe haven for dogs. Not a "room" punishment that you do with children.

When you take her outside to potty, if she potties, you make a big deal like no tomorrow and regard her with praise and treats. You play with her, take her for walks, teach her tricks.

It's when you start associating yourself with doing fun and learning activities that you become this so called "alpha male" not by yelling and scolding the dog...

[TR8]

Bitsy Im sorry to inform you but this is true. I have no need to feel "alpha" to a 6 pound little dog!
I haven't read these forums before just looking for a quick answer and I guess my frustration showed in my op.
I was actually trying to come up with a solution for this if you want I can take a picture of me with the dog so you can see im a real person

The dog has been taken to the vet before and has all needles etc. not fixed though if that could make a difference.

4 years ago when the dog was bought she was prescribed medication temporarily for an overactive bladder I had just found out. The dog wasnt believed to have an overactive bladder still but she may still. I was hoping on training her to hold it opposed to medication but it hasnt worked.

All I would really like now would be for some advice on earning the dogs trust back and I can handle the pee if its on the floor out of excitement. the bed is always out of fear I want to undo it

I know it will take time, but I am willing to do it because I do love dogs and have always had one but so much trouble with this one, before it was kept in a house with the doors open at my fiances kids grandmothers house while she mover out into an apartment when her and her ex split up. no one ever properly trained the dog of anything really, and it would ether pee on the deck in the backyard or on a pad. in the house and out of excitement on the floor

[Bitsy]

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ationship.html

Sound familiar to anyone?

[Taryn0405]

Sigh I put my two sense in...For what it's worth. Not that it's going to be taken. But, figured that's my good deed for the day.

[TR8]

Taryn0405 Im going to follow your advice
Alpha dog situation I thought was the way it worked for all dogs. We already praise for going outside. I just need to work on my own personal interactions with the dog for the trust
thanks for the advice even though people thought i was a troll I guess im just yorkie retarded
i have been making an effort to spend more time playing with her, but i had no idea on the crate deal

[Taryn0405]

Originally Posted by TR8

Taryn0405 Im going to follow your advice
Alpha dog situation I thought was the way it worked for all dogs. We already praise for going outside. I just need to work on my own personal interactions with the dog for the trust
thanks for the advice even though people thought i was a troll I guess im just yorkie retarded
i have been making an effort to spend more time playing with her, but i had no idea on the crate deal

Crate Training and Yorkies
There's an article that explains crate training.

Like I said, positive reinforcement is the key. You ignore the bad stuff, but make a huge deal out of the good stuff.

[gidget529]

Your training methods and mindset are going to have to change completely if you want this to work. If you are not willing to do that, the kindest thing you can do is turn this dog over to a yorkie rescue. We have members here who are affiliated w very good yorkie rescues and could help you w this.

NEVER punish the dog by putting it in its crate or outside. Yorkies are too little to be outside unsupervised. If you did not catch it in the act of peeing where it was not supposed to, you lost your chance to correct it. It will not understand what you are screaming about. It does not speak your language fluently. It is a dog. If you catch it in the act, say "No" in a firm voice (not a deep, scare the sh!! out of it) and take it outside and say "potty". Never yell or throw a fit while you are correcting or cleaning. It will just think the act of peeing itself is the problem and will sneak off and pee when you are not looking.

You need to take your voice up an octave when talking to it. Yorkies respond well to a higher, female-like voice. I have a big husband w a deep voice. When he works w them in training, he raises his voice to a higher register. Yorkies LOVE him. Ours will do anything for him. In fact, he gets a better response in potty-training, so you can do this if you learn a more effective way of handling this.

Yorkies are terriers who can have a prey drive. They are never to be let out unleashed. You cannot trust them not to chase things. They are ratters. They will get the urge to chase things. It is your fault if they are not leashed and take off chasing something.

You need to make up w this dog BIG TIME. You need to love on it, give it high value treats it likes, speak to it lovingly - treat this dog like a woman you want to get to know but who will not give you the time of day.

If this is not your personality to adapt and do these things, you really should ask for help in turning it over to a rescue. We have members here who can help you.

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Taryn0405

Sigh I put my two sense in...For what it's worth. Not that it's going to be taken. But, figured that's my good deed for the day.

You did a good deed. Someone else might see the advice posted here and learn something. I've been around here for a long time....I've seen this type of post a few times too any. But hey, I could be wrong. Stranger things have been known to happen.

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ationship.html

Sound familiar to anyone?

I pray that he is just bored watching tv while his girlfriend is at work

[jlock]

I really think just starting over with the potty trainning. You said she "was" pad trainned. How did that go when she was using it? What always worked best with us was to confine the dog to a room, we used kitchen with lanoliume floor, easy clean up. Have food, water and bed in this room, maybe bring the pad back into play and put that down again. He dog needs to spend all of it's time in this room, suppervised as much as possable. Go back to puppy basics. If the pad trainning was working, I say use it again!

Keep us posted.

[normarae63]

Originally Posted by gidget529

Your training methods and mindset are going to have to change completely if you want this to work. If you are not willing to do that, the kindest thing you can do is turn this dog over to a yorkie rescue. We have members here who are affiliated w very good yorkie rescues and could help you w this.

NEVER punish the dog by putting it in its crate or outside. Yorkies are too little to be outside unsupervised. If you did not catch it in the act of peeing where it was not supposed to, you lost your chance to correct it. It will not understand what you are screaming about. It does not speak your language fluently. It is a dog. If you catch it in the act, say "No" in a firm voice (not a deep, scare the sh!! out of it) and take it outside and say "potty". Never yell or throw a fit while you are correcting or cleaning. It will just think the act of peeing itself is the problem and will sneak off and pee when you are not looking.

You need to take your voice up an octave when talking to it. Yorkies respond well to a higher, female-like voice. I have a big husband w a deep voice. When he works w them in training, he raises his voice to a higher register. Yorkies LOVE him. Ours will do anything for him. In fact, he gets a better response in potty-training, so you can do this if you learn a more effective way of handling this.

Yorkies are terriers who can have a prey drive. They are never to be let out unleashed. You cannot trust them not to chase things. They are ratters. They will get the urge to chase things. It is your fault if they are not leashed and take off chasing something.

You need to make up w this dog BIG TIME. You need to love on it, give it high value treats it likes, speak to it lovingly - treat this dog like a woman you want to get to know but who will not give you the time of day.

If this is not your personality to adapt and do these things, you really should ask for help in turning it over to a rescue. We have members here who can help you.

I'm with Taryn & a few others...I'll take a chance on you being "real" too.
I think you've gotten good advice from those who've responded but I really feel Gidget nailed it with this statement.

Also, there's nothing at all wrong with using a pee pad indoors.

[gemy]

Your post is very reminicent of other male(presumably) posters here on training woes with the Yorkies.

I just want to point out the size of a dog, has nothing to do with submissive/fear peeing, or excitment peeing. All breeds, all sizes, can have this temperament fault. And by temperament fault or flaw, I'm talking one that is of a genetic basis, and has not resulted from inappropriate handling, rearing, training etc.

I have an 85 lb female BRT who is both a submissive and a excitement pee-er. As a 7month old puppy she came to us this way. Two full temperament test evaluations later, unfortunately she is just wired this way. I don't have a full answer and there may never be a full answer. Let's take excitement peeing first as that is a tad easier to control

What we have done is to train her to sit, and reward her when she sits when we enter the house. This has helped immensely with the peeing on the floor, due to her joy at seeing us return home. This means you leave for work or whatever with some treats in your pocket, so you can be really ready to reward good sits no pees with no time delay. If she does slip up and pee, there is no scolding, we just calmly go get our clean up gear and our enzymatic cleaner.
If she is in her crate when we arrive home, we let her out, in the backyard with us, and say Zoey go pee pee. She now pees on command outside, and is rewarded for this.
For guest arrivals she is crated first, people are allowed to settle in, and then we introduce her on leash to our guests. This works for the reason she feels she is under control, the guests are seated, and she has learnt to go up to guest, sit, and guest gives her a treat.

Submissive peeing. What you need to control most is the tone of your voice as others have suggested. When saying No up the register, or even change up the words, Like Nope, Uhhuh. And if you are naturally deep voiced, well let's face it once in awhile you will mess up and use too strong a tone and voila peeing. Again no punishment for submissive pee-ing, seriously and literally a dog can't help a submissive pee. You are the only one that can help that. I am not advocating no discipline, but correct tonal discipline; and yes I do use time-outs in crates quite effectively for punishment. Not how-ever when the pup is young and I am crate training.

Oh and I hear your pain about pee-ing in the bed!. I have a cat that will sometimes do that. It is a real bear to clean up the comforter the sheets and the blankets!. What we have done is put a blue tarp over the bed when we are not at home. As this is when are cat is most likely to pee on the bed. I know if I had a dog that peed in the bed it would be no bed priviledges.

Hope this helps and good luck with your training.

[TR8]

I am strange indeed. I can see kind of why you would think this was not real. My situation seems a little ridiculous lol
But I dont waste my time writing fake stories. I will listen to the advice. I have read the other discussion someone linked to, nope not me! check the ip if you wish doubt hes from where I am.
Perhaps more of these stories you hear are real. a yorkie seems like a difficult breed to train.
I just took her and the little one for a walk, jade(the yorkie) was excited, as soon as I said walk, excited and happy the whole time, even after peeing what I thought was an entire bladder on the floor found time to mark about 11 lawns.
now upon coming home I wanted to reward her behaviour with a treat but she cowered but didnt pee.

I think maybe she thinks this is my territory and I rule it like a tyrant, as she dosnt seem to be scared of me at my stepdaughters grandmothers house where we bring her when we go on long outings so she isnt home alone. I have been pretty hard on her at home, she did come over when I softened my voice and crouched down

[Taryn0405]

Originally Posted by TR8

I am strange indeed. I can see kind of why you would think this was not real. My situation seems a little ridiculous lol
But I dont waste my time writing fake stories. I will listen to the advice. I have read the other discussion someone linked to, nope not me! check the ip if you wish doubt hes from where I am.
Perhaps more of these stories you hear are real. a yorkie seems like a difficult breed to train.
I just took her and the little one for a walk, jade(the yorkie) was excited, as soon as I said walk, excited and happy the whole time, even after peeing what I thought was an entire bladder on the floor found time to mark about 11 lawns.
now upon coming home I wanted to reward her behaviour with a treat but she cowered but didnt pee.

I think maybe she thinks this is my territory and I rule it like a tyrant, as she dosnt seem to be scared of me at my stepdaughters grandmothers house where we bring her when we go on long outings so she isnt home alone. I have been pretty hard on her at home, she did come over when I softened my voice and crouched down

You're getting down on her level and showing her that you can be trusted. This is good. You're starting to build trust with her. No don't ruin this trust building up by going off track.

With regards to the peeing everywhere, you may want to just get her checked to make sure she doesn't have UTI. That's alot of pee for a little Yorkie.

Always remember, it only takes a second to break trust, but a lifetime to re-build it.

[TR8]

Originally Posted by gemy

Your post is very reminicent of other male(presumably) posters here on training woes with the Yorkies.

I just want to point out the size of a dog, has nothing to do with submissive/fear peeing, or excitment peeing. All breeds, all sizes, can have this temperament fault. And by temperament fault or flaw, I'm talking one that is of a genetic basis, and has not resulted from inappropriate handling, rearing, training etc.

I have an 85 lb female BRT who is both a submissive and a excitement pee-er. As a 7month old puppy she came to us this way. Two full temperament test evaluations later, unfortunately she is just wired this way. I don't have a full answer and there may never be a full answer. Let's take excitement peeing first as that is a tad easier to control

What we have done is to train her to sit, and reward her when she sits when we enter the house. This has helped immensely with the peeing on the floor, due to her joy at seeing us return home. This means you leave for work or whatever with some treats in your pocket, so you can be really ready to reward good sits no pees with no time delay. If she does slip up and pee, there is no scolding, we just calmly go get our clean up gear and our enzymatic cleaner.
If she is in her crate when we arrive home, we let her out, in the backyard with us, and say Zoey go pee pee. She now pees on command outside, and is rewarded for this.
For guest arrivals she is crated first, people are allowed to settle in, and then we introduce her on leash to our guests. This works for the reason she feels she is under control, the guests are seated, and she has learnt to go up to guest, sit, and guest gives her a treat.

Submissive peeing. What you need to control most is the tone of your voice as others have suggested. When saying No up the register, or even change up the words, Like Nope, Uhhuh. And if you are naturally deep voiced, well let's face it once in awhile you will mess up and use too strong a tone and voila peeing. Again no punishment for submissive pee-ing, seriously and literally a dog can't help a submissive pee. You are the only one that can help that. I am not advocating no discipline, but correct tonal discipline; and yes I do use time-outs in crates quite effectively for punishment. Not how-ever when the pup is young and I am crate training.

Oh and I hear your pain about pee-ing in the bed!. I have a cat that will sometimes do that. It is a real bear to clean up the comforter the sheets and the blankets!. What we have done is put a blue tarp over the bed when we are not at home. As this is when are cat is most likely to pee on the bed. I know if I had a dog that peed in the bed it would be no bed priviledges.

Hope this helps and good luck with your training.

I have tried bringing it up an octave lol it actuially works a bit but I find it difficult to do all the time I do have a deep voice and it is hard to remember to bring up an octave when speaking to the dog.
although sometimes i think it would be better off I ignore her when she does things and let my fiance deal with her scolding exclusively. as when I do it I literally seem to scare the pee out of her which leads to more frustration and more pee !

I did assume a lot of guys have this problem any maybe some of these previous "trolls" felt like they weren't going to be helped because people thought their explanations were a bit ridiculous and extreme.

Its kind of embarrassing to mess up, but im determined to set it right so I dont stress out my future wife and make her equally as frusterated with me as I am with the dog lol

as for the pee pads: Id rather clean it off the floor those things were a mess ! lol at least now I never get poo in the house

As for now im going to give your advice a try and let everyone know how it works. Thanks again for the help