Breeding

[Lisa and Pic]

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford

Sometimes I ....
" Sometimes I forget, my opinions are not universally accepted as the only right answer. I sometimes jump to wrong conclusions or misunderstand what the person is trying to say. Sometimes I am unrealistic and expect people to have a great level of understanding about the subject when they don't. Sometimes rather than seeing their questions as an innocent ignorance searching for answers, I may see willful stupidy, or belligerent nose thumbing at my convictions. Sometimes I should humbly listen, and gently teach. All the time, I should skip the negative retorts, rudely phrased questions, personal taunts, frustrated venting, and undiplomatic blurts. I may only have one chance to make a difference. I hope I don't miss the moment, because I got angry." T Radcliff

That is a really great quote and I certainly hope I tried to do the above as a teacher of special education students for 27 years. However, I have problems with this quote being applied to this thread. I feel so sorry for the OP's dog and understand the frustration and posts of other YT members.

[Teresa Ford]

Originally Posted by Lou

OK, who are you and what have you done with Teresa?

So we have another uneducated newbie asking for advice when it is already too late. sigh. I hope she does take her little one to the vet and do what must be done. Poor little dog.

Now Lou............
LOL Good greif, we have done this so many times. I stomp around saying please spay and neuter,I even step on some toes, when I have to, I write pages of advice, we google and share facts. But this still happens, people breed dogs without a clue of what could happen. I did the little quote this time to remind myself, to just shut up and let some one else explain. My patients was not very strong today. And the good Lord knows I need kindness and patients, to say it again and again, and again. Guess I was just tired today.

[Lou]

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford

Now Lou............
LOL Good greif, we have done this so many times. I stomp around saying please spay and neuter,I even step on some toes, when I have to, I write pages of advice, we google and share facts. But this still happens, people breed dogs without a clue of what could happen. I did the little quote this time to remind myself, to just shut up and let some one else explain. My patients was not very strong today. And the good Lord knows I need kindness and patients, to say it again and again, and again. Guess I was just tired today.

I know sweetie. I read it and just thought, "Here we go again." And just as sure as shooting - another newbie weighs in to tell us how mean we are. I think we need to appoint one or two people to contact these newbies so the rest of us don't end up frustrated and resentful. My anger is also on the breeder from which this little girl was purchased. Has he/she never heard of a contract stipulating a pet only?

Dear Newbies,
Most of us are so dedicated to our dear little furbutts that we would literally kill anyone that deliberately hurt them. I sincerely mean that - it might be in a fit of rage and grief but it would happen. Please see that we have compassion for your dog - not you. We will at first nudge you to make the right decision but if you refuse to listen then all bets are off. We will tell you what we think. If you want a puppy for Pete's sake go buy one from a good breeder. You don't have to make your own!

Dear Newbie Defender,
I understand your concern but when you have been on here as long as us you will also get tired of trying to talk new owners out of breeding. You can't imagine the expense and heartbreak this owner is in for. I only hope that little one can get through it OK. I guess it could happen but the odds are against it with a novice in charge.

L

[caw]

Lou, I was not defending the OP or her position. I liked Susan Fords post as the best way to pursuade another towards the possibility of taking and adopting someone elses viewpoint. I was responding to Susans post.

[justamom03]

I come to this forum on rare occasions just to look around~and I never stay for long because a lot of posters are extremely judgmental and rude. Guess what people, the original OP probably read the first few posts and decided that the help they were seeking was not going to be found here. I'm sure she won't be back to read all of your rude comments so you might as well go pick on someone else as I'm sure you've already scared her away instead of helping her and her dog. This site does have very useful and helpful information on it if the person is brave enough to look around for it, but most people would just leave and never come back. Sorry, I usually keep quiet but it just saddens me that people come here looking for help and instead they get told what a horrible person they are, over and over again, every reply is the same, isn't once enough?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by justamom03

I come to this forum on rare occasions just to look around~and I never stay for long because a lot of posters are extremely judgmental and rude. Guess what people, the original OP probably read the first few posts and decided that the help they were seeking was not going to be found here. I'm sure she won't be back to read all of your rude comments so you might as well go pick on someone else as I'm sure you've already scared her away instead of helping her and her dog. This site does have very useful and helpful information on it if the person is brave enough to look around for it, but most people would just leave and never come back. Sorry, I usually keep quiet but it just saddens me that people come here looking for help and instead they get told what a horrible person they are, over and over again, every reply is the same, isn't once enough?

If you dislike the people here so much why are you posting to judge us and attack us like you say we are doing? The people who post here are dog lovers and normally only give advise in the best interest of the dog so take a second and think about the dog for a minute, the dog that has no voice. Barley a year old, owner knows nothing about breeding, hasn't been health checked the list goes on and on it is in the best interest of this dog to be spayed and not have puppies. Not knowing what your doing when a dog is having puppies could end you up with a dead mom dog and dead puppies and I sure as heck don't want that.

[Lou]

Originally Posted by caw

Lou, I was not defending the OP or her position. I liked Susan Fords post as the best way to pursuade another towards the possibility of taking and adopting someone elses viewpoint. I was responding to Susans post.

I did not read your post that way and did not aim my remarks at you. I do apologize for offending you personally.

Originally Posted by justamom03

I come to this forum on rare occasions just to look around~and I never stay for long because a lot of posters are extremely judgmental and rude. Guess what people, the original OP probably read the first few posts and decided that the help they were seeking was not going to be found here. I'm sure she won't be back to read all of your rude comments so you might as well go pick on someone else as I'm sure you've already scared her away instead of helping her and her dog. This site does have very useful and helpful information on it if the person is brave enough to look around for it, but most people would just leave and never come back. Sorry, I usually keep quiet but it just saddens me that people come here looking for help and instead they get told what a horrible person they are, over and over again, every reply is the same, isn't once enough?

I stand by what I said:
"I understand your concern but when you have been on here as long as us you will also get tired of trying to talk new owners out of breeding. You can't imagine the expense and heartbreak this owner is in for."

I was a newbie myself when I came here for help. I brought a little seven week old yorkie home. The next day she was sick and that night she nearly died. I was kindly told that she was too young to leave her mother and to return her. It wasn't an option at the time. I was then given strick instructions to take her to an emergency clinic. I did and they saved her life - BECAUSE I LISTENED TO THE ADVICE I WAS GIVEN. For the next two weeks I was on here every day giving progress reports and feeding tips to help my little Adie grow strong and beat her illness. I became a loyal member of this board and became friends with these "Rude" people you criticize.

When kind words and treatment fail to get through the only recourse is stern advice. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. And NOBODY called the OP a horrible person.

[justamom03]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

If you dislike the people here so much why are you posting to judge us and attack us like you say we are doing? The people who post here are dog lovers and normally only give advise in the best interest of the dog so take a second and think about the dog for a minute, the dog that has no voice. Barley a year old, owner knows nothing about breeding, hasn't been health checked the list goes on and on it is in the best interest of this dog to be spayed and not have puppies. Not knowing what your doing when a dog is having puppies could end you up with a dead mom dog and dead puppies and I sure as heck don't want that.

You have misunderstood my post. I don't dislike the people here it just saddens me that when someone comes here for help, they get yelled at instead and I was hoping that if someone other than a regular poster brought it to your attention you would take a look at the situation in a new light. The situation not being someone breeding without knowledge but the situation being that she was attacked instead of being helped I know that there there are tons of dog lovers here and of course her dog doesn't have a voice. But isn't it fair to say that its going overboard that 99% of the replies have been negative? I just think it would be more helpful to her dog if the OP got the help that she was looking for~for the sake of her dog. I'm not here to attack anyone, I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I was trying to help the situation, not add fuel to the fire It was my hope that when someone else comes here for help, maybe we could try and help the person help the dog instead of scaring them away, thus not helping the dog at all.

[justamom03]

Originally Posted by Lou

I did not read your post that way and did not aim my remarks at you. I do apologize for offending you personally.



I stand by what I said:
"I understand your concern but when you have been on here as long as us you will also get tired of trying to talk new owners out of breeding. You can't imagine the expense and heartbreak this owner is in for."

I was a newbie myself when I came here for help. I brought a little seven week old yorkie home. The next day she was sick and that night she nearly died. I was kindly told that she was too young to leave her mother and to return her. It wasn't an option at the time. I was then given strick instructions to take her to an emergency clinic. I did and they saved her life - BECAUSE I LISTENED TO THE ADVICE I WAS GIVEN. For the next two weeks I was on here every day giving progress reports and feeding tips to help my little Adie grow strong and beat her illness. I became a loyal member of this board and became friends with these "Rude" people you criticize.

When kind words and treatment fail to get through the only recourse is stern advice. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. And NOBODY called the OP a horrible person.

"Horrible" wasn't a quote, it was my impression of how she must have felt reading all of the replies. And I'm sure your right, if I read this type of post over and over again, I'm sure it would get frustrating. I can see how it can be very upsetting.

[maci_mace]

Justamom/Nancy... I'm confused. I think she got a LOT of help on that first page. Carmen gave her a whole list. Others gave her other info too.
All in all though she got the advice/help she NEEDED even if wasn't what she WANTED.
You're right she may have read the replies and left because she wasn't getting the help she WANTED, but guess how many of us are going to help a person become a backyard breeder?


None. The best advice was given... SPAY THE DOG for the sake of the dog, the puppies, and the overpopulation of unwanted animals. That was HELP FOR THE DOG. That was the best help and advice this OP could have been given for her dog.

[katienme2002]

Originally Posted by maci_mace

Justamom/Nancy... I'm confused. I think she got a LOT of help on that first page. Carmen gave her a whole list. Others gave her other info too.
All in all though she got the advice/help she NEEDED even if wasn't what she WANTED.
You're right she may have read the replies and left because she wasn't getting the help she WANTED, but guess how many of us are going to help a person become a backyard breeder?


None. The best advice was given... SPAY THE DOG for the sake of the dog, the puppies, and the overpopulation of unwanted animals. That was HELP FOR THE DOG. That was the best help and advice this OP could have been given for her dog.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by justamom03

You have misunderstood my post. I don't dislike the people here it just saddens me that when someone comes here for help, they get yelled at instead and I was hoping that if someone other than a regular poster brought it to your attention you would take a look at the situation in a new light. The situation not being someone breeding without knowledge but the situation being that she was attacked instead of being helped I know that there there are tons of dog lovers here and of course her dog doesn't have a voice. But isn't it fair to say that its going overboard that 99% of the replies have been negative? I just think it would be more helpful to her dog if the OP got the help that she was looking for~for the sake of her dog. I'm not here to attack anyone, I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I was trying to help the situation, not add fuel to the fire It was my hope that when someone else comes here for help, maybe we could try and help the person help the dog instead of scaring them away, thus not helping the dog at all.

Yelling at would be in all caps and I did not see that. She got advise and the best advise which is to get the dog spayed. The thing is when people look up posts on here or google breeding yorkies we don't want them to just see a post and think oh its easy and no big deal when that's not the truth. There are many things that need to be taken into consideration before breeding and the op didn't take any of those into consideration and not only will breed out of standard puppies but also possibly puppies with gentic disorders or could lose her dog and or the pups by not knowing a thing about birthing puppies. What the op has done is reckless. When you see so many of these posts weekly it becomes impossible to be miss sunshine and I am sorry but there is no sunshine in my opinion that can be seen in this post and I refuse to tell people who have no business breeding oh your doing great keep doing what you doing awesome job. She mated a barely 1 year old dog without getting genetic testing and with out having even seen a dog give birth before. Her dog is in danger as I see it!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by justamom03

You have misunderstood my post. I don't dislike the people here it just saddens me that when someone comes here for help, they get yelled at instead and I was hoping that if someone other than a regular poster brought it to your attention you would take a look at the situation in a new light. The situation not being someone breeding without knowledge but the situation being that she was attacked instead of being helped I know that there there are tons of dog lovers here and of course her dog doesn't have a voice. But isn't it fair to say that its going overboard that 99% of the replies have been negative? I just think it would be more helpful to her dog if the OP got the help that she was looking for~for the sake of her dog. I'm not here to attack anyone, I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I was trying to help the situation, not add fuel to the fire It was my hope that when someone else comes here for help, maybe we could try and help the person help the dog instead of scaring them away, thus not helping the dog at all.

The OP was looking for advice how to breed her yorkie. The advise was to NOT breed her. Just bc no one gave her advice on how to breed her, we are being rude? We care more for her dog, than her feelings, and this is case time and time again. It's not going to change as long as there is a strong group of yorkie lovers here.

[gracielove]

Please don't put your female with the male again. If she ovulates during that mating she could conceive another pup that is not the same age as the ones previously conceived. Meaning she would have puppies that are not all the same age and not ready to deliver at the same time. Making puppies is a lot more involved than just putting two dogs together to mate. Please read about what you are doing. There are breeders that have spent a lifetime learning what they know about dog breeding and are still do not know it all.

[Lisa and Pic]

Originally Posted by justamom03

I come to this forum on rare occasions just to look around~and I never stay for long because a lot of posters are extremely judgmental and rude. Guess what people, the original OP probably read the first few posts and decided that the help they were seeking was not going to be found here. I'm sure she won't be back to read all of your rude comments so you might as well go pick on someone else as I'm sure you've already scared her away instead of helping her and her dog. This site does have very useful and helpful information on it if the person is brave enough to look around for it, but most people would just leave and never come back. Sorry, I usually keep quiet but it just saddens me that people come here looking for help and instead they get told what a horrible person they are, over and over again, every reply is the same, isn't once enough?

I am not sure why you come on here at all if you think so many people are judgemental and rude? There are certainly has to be forums on the internet that meet your standard of politeness. It really is all about the welfare of the dogs here, and I for one would rather know the truth.