Breeding

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

Yes, I'm dead serious. This has been going on (as I've seen it) for six years on YT. People jump all over the OP who is seeking advice. Yes, I am seething inside too by some of the things I read, but they didn't come here for a sermon. They came here for help. We are so quick to scold the OP that they don't return and we never know what happen to these poor babies. Yes, she should know everything about breeding, get testing done, have champion lines, yada yada. But let's face it, probably 75%+ of the people don't. They breed their little Fido (one breed) to their little Spot (another breed) because they are just so darn cute and they want free puppies. They are not going to listen to someone over the computer yelling at them.

For example: In another post a woman came on about buying her pup in a pet store and now she (the woman) was going into anaphylactic shock. Well some were so preachy about "OMG you got your dog at a pet store!?" That she never came back to tell us if she were alive! It's THAT stuff that psses me off.

This original poster asked a question, which should have been answered FIRST. Then when she came back and trusted us, it is then that we could explain the "other" stuff.

I was "one of those" who first thought I wanted to breed my ever so cute Yorkie. If I would have come here first post with that question and heard those answers I would have told you all to go to hll. But I built a rapport with YT and read ONE post that made me change my mind. A girl bred her tiny 3 or 4lber and she wound up dying. THAT is what made my decision. I was not about to have my Baby die. It's not all the preaching that changes someone's mind, most of the time it's the kindness, or sometimes it's something tragic.

Now I'm done preaching...

Preach it girl !!! You Go...

I started a thread called What if ? That takes on this very subject. It got pretty heated at times. Some posts were even deleted. I felt ganged up on at times. There were some very good points made and we all learned why the other chooses to reply in the way they do. Its a good read if you have the time.

Its good to see other members who feel the same way that I do.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

Yes, I'm dead serious. This has been going on (as I've seen it) for six years on YT. People jump all over the OP who is seeking advice. Yes, I am seething inside too by some of the things I read, but they didn't come here for a sermon. They came here for help. We are so quick to scold the OP that they don't return and we never know what happen to these poor babies. Yes, she should know everything about breeding, get testing done, have champion lines, yada yada. But let's face it, probably 75%+ of the people don't. They breed their little Fido (one breed) to their little Spot (another breed) because they are just so darn cute and they want free puppies. They are not going to listen to someone over the computer yelling at them.

For example: In another post a woman came on about buying her pup in a pet store and now she (the woman) was going into anaphylactic shock. Well some were so preachy about "OMG you got your dog at a pet store!?" That she never came back to tell us if she were alive! It's THAT stuff that psses me off.

This original poster asked a question, which should have been answered FIRST. Then when she came back and trusted us, it is then that we could explain the "other" stuff.

I was "one of those" who first thought I wanted to breed my ever so cute Yorkie. If I would have come here first post with that question and heard those answers I would have told you all to go to hll. But I built a rapport with YT and read ONE post that made me change my mind. A girl bred her tiny 3 or 4lber and she wound up dying. THAT is what made my decision. I was not about to have my Baby die. It's not all the preaching that changes someone's mind, most of the time it's the kindness, or sometimes it's something tragic.

Now I'm done preaching...

Then you should know the rules.
What you said was very rude as well.
I'm grateful for the chewing I got when I first came here, made me rethink a lot, I'm still learning.

I doubt the validity of a lot of the one time posters; however, people will read those posts for years to come.

Yorkie talk is about educating people. Weather the OP chooses to listen is their choice, but what about the 100 nonmembers who will Google search & read the threads later?

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Then you should know the rules.
What you said was very rude as well.
I'm grateful for the chewing I got when I first came here, made me rethink a lot, I'm still learning.

I doubt the validity of a lot of the one time posters; however, people will read those posts for years to come.

Yorkie talk is about educating people. Weather the OP chooses to listen is their choice, but what about the 100 nonmembers who will Google search & read the threads later?

I speak the truth. Not trying to be rude. Nothing seems to change here regarding the "dreadful" word teacup, pet stores, mills, breeding, blah blah. Same story over and over. I am the kind of poster that will ANSWER the OP's question, not jump all over them b/c they use an incorrect term. If they want to research they can search YT. Or...when they start to trust me, then I will throw in some of my knowledge. Until then, I will not try to make someone feel bad b/c in "your" eyes they are doing something wrong.

What if you came here as a breeder and had a legitimate question/emergency and I REEMED you for being a breeder? Telling you how disgusting you were for bringing more dogs into this world when their are many dogs out their who need to be adopted. Would you want to stick around and listen to the crazy poster behind the computer or would you search for another avenue to get advice?

Disclaimer: The above is an example, not my feelings towards breeders.

[BabyFidgette]

PS. I am an educator. We don't beat our students into learning. At least we don't in Jersey.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

I speak the truth. Not trying to be rude. Nothing seems to change here regarding the "dreadful" word teacup, pet stores, mills, breeding, blah blah. Same story over and over. I am the kind of poster that will ANSWER the OP's question, not jump all over them b/c they use an incorrect term. If they want to research they can search YT. Or...when they start to trust me, then I will throw in some of my knowledge. Until then, I will not try to make someone feel bad b/c in "your" eyes they are doing something wrong.

What if you came here as a breeder and had a legitimate question/emergency and I REEMED you for being a breeder? Telling you how disgusting you were for bringing more dogs into this world when their are many dogs out their who need to be adopted. Would you want to stick around and listen to the crazy poster behind the computer or would you search for another avenue to get advice?

Disclaimer: The above is an example, not my feelings towards breeders.

I like to think there is more than air between my ears. We do not use corporal punishment in California either btw-it's illegal. Verbal abuse of students is punishable by dismal and law suit as well. We are a little more pc most of the time out here,most of the time.

Thus in an emergency I'd not be sitting on the internet taking random advice...that's just me so I guess you can call me crazy...again.

Great Example:
Help everyone!

I have a pup mill teacup I bought from the pet store for $5000 and it has a full CKC registration.

I was planning on breeding her repeatably since she barely has issues with her LP in both back legs and she is just so cute at 2 whole pounds.

She was just hit by a car because she wriggle out the leash I had-yes of course it was attached to a collar around her neck while I was dragging her down the street...

I'm not so concerned with saving her as much as she might be pregnant-she has been putting on weight or maybe it's all the table scraps she's been surviving one.

Can someone explain how to do a C-section over the internet to me?

I need to sell these puppies she most likely wouldn't be able to deliver anyways since she was bred with a basset hound.

Oh and I can't afford to take her to the vet so she's never been anyways so please no one tell me to do the common sense answer or suggest I have made bad choices in the past, let's all move forward to the one question I said I want answered and nvermind suggesting she go to the ER vet that's absolutely ridiculously they actually charge twice as much there as a regular office visits plus there's a lot wrong with her now...
fleas
rashes
worms
lp
ct
pregnancy (I said possibly but that means obviously on the internet)
bad teeth
eat mites
it goes on and on but ONLY the polite people who will just respond in the way I want them to can respond okay?

[gracielove]

What I think everyone should take into consideration is that most of the people on YT now have information that most of the general public does not have. Most people think that the only thing they need to have to make a valid purchase of a purebred dog is AKC papers. There just is no big education place that informs people about the breeding of purebred dogs. The general public just does not have the information available to them.

It appears to me that a great many of the people on YT have purchased dogs from pet stores or back yard breeders. They come here because they get into trouble and need info and some stay and learn. I see aspiring byb people stopping by to ask questions from time to time. You have to remember they are ignorant. For the most part they just don't have the information that is available here and at other sources. YT is a bubble of information in a world of ignorance. The people here have the opportunity to inform people.
Some may have come here with problems with their dogs but I think the issue here is with people who want information about breeding their dogs. People seem to be more sympathetic toward people with a pet problem than people who want to breed. Some people want to shame people for wanting to breed and some people want to try to communicate with them. I think if you kindly offer people the sort of information they need some may learn from it, but then of course some won't and in that case then you have to be more blunt. It seems you have to take the opportunity to at least try to be helpful and communicate on the new person's level to start out with.

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I like to think there is more than air between my ears. We do not use corporal punishment in California either btw-it's illegal. Verbal abuse of students is punishable by dismal and law suit as well. We are a little more pc most of the time out here,most of the time.

Thus in an emergency I'd not be sitting on the internet taking random advice...that's just me so I guess you can call me crazy...again.

Great Example:
Help everyone!

I have a pup mill teacup I bought from the pet store for $5000 and it has a full CKC registration.

I was planning on breeding her repeatably since she barely has issues with her LP in both back legs and she is just so cute at 2 whole pounds.

She was just hit by a car because she wriggle out the leash I had-yes of course it was attached to a collar around her neck while I was dragging her down the street...

I'm not so concerned with saving her as much as she might be pregnant-she has been putting on weight or maybe it's all the table scraps she's been surviving one.

Can someone explain how to do a C-section over the internet to me?

I need to sell these puppies she most likely wouldn't be able to deliver anyways since she was bred with a basset hound.

Oh and I can't afford to take her to the vet so she's never been anyways so please no one tell me to do the common sense answer or suggest I have made bad choices in the past, let's all move forward to the one question I said I want answered and nvermind suggesting she go to the ER vet that's absolutely ridiculously they actually charge twice as much there as a regular office visits plus there's a lot wrong with her now...
fleas
rashes
worms
lp
ct
pregnancy (I said possibly but that means obviously on the internet)
bad teeth
eat mites
it goes on and on but ONLY the polite people who will just respond in the way I want them to can respond okay?

LOL Wonderful made up story. When you have a real one LMK. Right now I'm tired of this useless banter with you. I get to the point without hurting feelings. That's my style. Point, blank, simple. You catch more bees with honey. Some people on here think they know it all and it's sickening. Do you know that a lot of champion line breeders don't even come onto Yorkie Talk b/c of all the BS and improper information? Hmmm, I wonder why.

[BabyFidgette]

Originally Posted by gracielove

What I think everyone should take into consideration is that most of the people on YT now have information that most of the general public does not have. Most people think that the only thing they need to have to make a valid purchase of a purebred dog is AKC papers. There just is no big education place that informs people about the breeding of purebred dogs. The general public just does not have the information available to them.

It appears to me that a great many of the people on YT have purchased dogs from pet stores or back yard breeders. They come here because they get into trouble and need info and some stay and learn. I see aspiring byb people stopping by to ask questions from time to time. You have to remember they are ignorant. For the most part they just don't have the information that is available here and at other sources. YT is a bubble of information in a world of ignorance. The people here have the opportunity to inform people.
Some may have come here with problems with their dogs but I think the issue here is with people who want information about breeding their dogs. People seem to be more sympathetic toward people with a pet problem than people who want to breed. Some people want to shame people for wanting to breed and some people want to try to communicate with them. I think if you kindly offer people the sort of information they need some may learn from it, but then of course some won't and in that case then you have to be more blunt. It seems you have to take the opportunity to at least try to be helpful and communicate on the new person's level to start out with.

When I came on YT back in 2005 I was open and honest with the members. I told them I bought Baby on a whim. I went into a pet store. I knew nothing about Yorkies (or dogs for that matter) nor puppymills. They said they didn't get them from mills. Okay! WTF did I know? I knew that was stupid after doing some post searching and I wanted to "make up for it" by doing the right thing and finding out tons, something I should have done first. The responses I received were overwhelming nice and they were there to help. As I stated in a previous post, if I got bashed I would not have come back. Yes, some people do come back and learn by intimidation. I do not. I fight back tooth and nail until I get the last word and cut you down like a knife. I will admit when I'm wrong and fight when I'm not. In this case, people don't read the original question and seek out the drama word or sentence and harp on that. It's a shame seeing we are all here for the same reason. This is getting so redundant.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

When I came on YT back in 2005 I was open and honest with the members. I told them I bought Baby on a whim. I went into a pet store. I knew nothing about Yorkies (or dogs for that matter) nor puppymills. They said they didn't get them from mills. Okay! WTF did I know? I knew that was stupid after doing some post searching and I wanted to "make up for it" by doing the right thing and finding out tons, something I should have done first. The responses I received were overwhelming nice and they were there to help. As I stated in a previous post, if I got bashed I would not have come back. Yes, some people do come back and learn by intimidation. I do not. I fight back tooth and nail until I get the last word and cut you down like a knife. I will admit when I'm wrong and fight when I'm not. In this case, people don't read the original question and seek out the drama word or sentence and harp on that. It's a shame seeing we are all here for the same reason. This is getting so redundant.

Please, review Yorkie Talk rules.
Name calling is NOT allowed.
Ignore.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Thus in an emergency I'd not be sitting on the internet taking random advice...that's just me so I guess you can call me crazy...again.

That is 100% how I feel I sure as heck know if I had an emergency with Callie I would be heading out to the ER vet not posting.

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

I get to the point without hurting feelings. That's my style. Point, blank, simple. You catch more bees with honey.

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

I fight back tooth and nail until I get the last word and cut you down like a knife.

Those two statements seem to contradict one another.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

Those two statements seem to contradict one another.

That and the fact she was being hurtful to another member.

[TutBugaloo]

You should wait until she is at least 2 years old to make sure she has stopped growing before you breed her. Also you should have her checked to make sure she has no health problems. You also need to make sure she and her mate are good representatives of the breed.

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by TutBugaloo

You should wait until she is at least 2 years old to make sure she has stopped growing before you breed her. Also you should have her checked to make sure she has no health problems. You also need to make sure she and her mate are good representatives of the breed.

Omg... LOvE it!!

Never mind all the other crap that is taking place with this on going turn about on the thread.

Get IN, get Straight to the Point and Get the Hell OUT !!


Me on the other hand. . . NOT!