Breeder question

[Nancy1999]

Here's more information on CHIC testing the YTCA site isn't working very well, but this gives some information. YTCA is trying to encourage all breeders to CHIC test thier dogs. Health Committee

Canine Health Information Center: CHIC Information

CHIC Benefits

Once in place and accepted within the dog breeding community, the CHIC program offers benefits to breeders, buyers, parent clubs, and researchers.

•For breeders, CHIC provides a reliable source of information regarding dogs they may use in their breeding programs. In the future, breeders can begin to analyze the pedigrees of a proposed breeding for health strengths and weaknesses as well the traditional analysis of conformation, type, and performance strengths and weaknesses.
•For buyers, the CHIC program provides accurate information about the results of a breeder's health testing. For diseases that are limited to phenotypic evaluations, there are no guarantees. However, the probability that an animal will develop an inherited disease is reduced when its ancestry has been tested normal. Further, as more DNA tests become available and the results are entered into CHIC, the CHIC database will be able to establish whether progeny will be clear, carriers, or affected.
•For parent clubs considering establishment of health databases on their own, CHIC provides the answer with no upfront investment required by the club. The CHIC infrastructure is supplied and maintained by the OFA. The data is maintained in a secure environment by trained staff. The services are not subject to the time, technology, and resource constraints that parent clubs might face on their own. This frees parent clubs to focus on their core strengths of identifying health concerns, educating their membership, and encouraging participation in the CHIC program.
•For researchers, CHIC provides confidential and accurate aggregate information on multiple generations of dogs. CHIC information will also be useful for epidemiological studies enhancing our knowledge of health issues affecting all breeds of dogs.
•For everyone interested in canine health issues, CHIC is a tool to monitor disease prevalence and measure progress.

[concretegurl]

OOPS! I guess I missed the CHIC I didn't see the pedigree either but now I do maybe it just didn't load the first time and nope I wasn't joking at all.

Why wouldn't someone suggest YorkieTalk?
Especially those who use it themselves?

I didn't say it had anything to do with being a substitute for face to face education, I'd be shocked if anyone thought it should be...well then again there are all those emergency posts...I did make a thread asking why it is so many sellers of all sorts of goods that sell on here and use YT and breeders on here well they don't have YT links under their links, and I've always personally wondered about that myself.

Besides I was posting my personal opinions...no a site shouldn't be an all inclusive but if I had one I'd also want a load of information put on it to combat all the false information out here, much more readily available.

Anywho this breeder looks very reputable and their site seems quite sufficient, I was just tossing my 2 cent out there...I totally get that many breeders don't have sites and why but in this day information is sought online and more reputable breeders should be taking the forefront of the information spreading, that means going online to get the word out.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

OOPS! I guess I missed the CHIC I didn't see the pedigree either but now I do maybe it just didn't load the first time and nope I wasn't joking at all.

Why wouldn't someone suggest YorkieTalk?
Especially those who use it themselves?

I didn't say it had anything to do with being a substitute for face to face education, I'd be shocked if anyone thought it should be...well then again there are all those emergency posts...I did make a thread asking why it is so many sellers of all sorts of goods that sell on here and use YT and breeders on here well they don't have YT links under their links, and I've always personally wondered about that myself.

Besides I was posting my personal opinions...no a site shouldn't be an all inclusive but if I had one I'd also want a load of information put on it to combat all the false information out here, much more readily available.

Anywho this breeder looks very reputable and their site seems quite sufficient, I was just tossing my 2 cent out there...I totally get that many breeders don't have sites and why but in this day information is sought online and more reputable breeders should be taking the forefront of the information spreading, that means going online to get the word out.

I'm just saying that there are many great breeders who don't use Yorkietalk, or even computers!!!! I'm very thankful for the good breeders who frequent YT, but I understand that many are too busy to do so.

[concretegurl]

Totally, they're busy with the dogs.

[jsargent]

ok guys my husband and I are going to look at a yorkie puppy this weekend the only thing Im leary about is the person has papers on both mom and dad but never sent them off she says she can show them to me to see what i can do, Im not looking to get one to breed or anything so what do yall think, I know I have had alot of question on here but everybody has been a big help, we are just so nervous because our little prancer was so sick the past 4 years of his life and I would do it again for him would not change a thing I did for Prancer I just dont think I could go through it again mentally with another one if something was wrong. He is a cutie though but we want to see the mom and dad before making a decision thanks guys looking forward to the feedback

[bellemarie]

did they say why they haven't sent them off?
honestly, there is no reason whatsoever to Not register pups if everything is correct... so i always advise against it- even for a pet.
here, only one litter per year per dam can be registered, and only 6 (soon to be 4!) per lifetime, so unreg pups here are a Huge red flag for over breeding their dogs, but i believe it is different over there?
breeders are able to breeding endorse (limited reg) the pups papers if it isn't breeding quality, which means its pups cannot be registered; so if everyone buying a pedigree looked for papers, then it would eliminate a Fair few inherited ailments- and improve the breed over all for everyone.
if they haven't registered, what did they say on health testing?

may i ask why you decided against honeybee; did they just not 'fit' you?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jsargent

ok guys my husband and I are going to look at a yorkie puppy this weekend the only thing Im leary about is the person has papers on both mom and dad but never sent them off she says she can show them to me to see what i can do, Im not looking to get one to breed or anything so what do yall think, I know I have had alot of question on here but everybody has been a big help, we are just so nervous because our little prancer was so sick the past 4 years of his life and I would do it again for him would not change a thing I did for Prancer I just dont think I could go through it again mentally with another one if something was wrong. He is a cutie though but we want to see the mom and dad before making a decision thanks guys looking forward to the feedback

Is this the second breeder you linked or someone else? Some breeders never send the papers in because they don't actually have breeding rights, they have papers, but the papers were given with limited registration, meaning they should breed these dogs for various reasons. This is an example of someone stealing breeding rights, and this means she probably didn't do any health testing either. So if you look at the papers, make sure they had open registration, not limited.

I know what you mean about being scared, we went through a very hard time with a purebred Cairn Terrier, and it had a serious genetic problem. I was afraid to even get a purebred again until I learned some breeders take breeding very seriously. If this is a good breeder, she will want to hear about your experience.

[concretegurl]

I'd want papers for my pet it's called limited registration.

You'll also see that breeders selling pups on full registration are not the most responsible, same as those selling pups without AKC registration at all.


Nancy-you mean shouldn't breed stinking typo, auto correct does it to me ALL the time I just get random weird words.

Everything else Nancy said

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I'd want papers for my pet it's called limited registration.

You'll also see that breeders selling pups on full registration are not the most responsible, same as those selling pups without AKC registration at all.


Nancy-you mean shouldn't breed stinking typo, auto correct does it to me ALL the time I just get random weird words.

Everything else Nancy said

LOL, you mean someone actually reads my replies? I usually just skim them! Thank you, yes, I meant "shouldn't".

[theresac]

I just put a deposit down with a "backyard" breeder. I'm new to this & now I'm worried that I made a mistake. She did not have the parents but had full grown yorkies from the same parents (she said) She had many full grown, healthy, beautiful dogs that were hers. The 3 puppies that were for sale are already 4 months old & she's selling them for $650. Everything looked on the up & up....should I be worried?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by theresac

I just put a deposit down with a "backyard" breeder. I'm new to this & now I'm worried that I made a mistake. She did not have the parents but had full grown yorkies from the same parents (she said) She had many full grown, healthy, beautiful dogs that were hers. The 3 puppies that were for sale are already 4 months old & she's selling them for $650. Everything looked on the up & up....should I be worried?

It's hard to answer that question, many have purchased from byb's and not all the dogs have genetic problems, but the problem is so many do. Many of these problems can be fixed, but it's expensive, for example, knee surgery is around $1600 per leg, and that's such a common problem. The hardest part is you will become unbelievably attached to your Yorkie, and the emotional costs are extremely high when your baby has genetic problems.

Did she say why she didn’t have the breeding pair? Another thing that you should be aware of, is puppy mill breeders often sell their dogs through regular homes, and you need to make sure the breeding pair are being treated properly, otherwise these greeders get away with abusing dogs.

If I were you, I'd cancel the sale, if she doesn't return your deposit, it's even more proof, she's a poor breeder.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by theresac

I just put a deposit down with a "backyard" breeder. I'm new to this & now I'm worried that I made a mistake. She did not have the parents but had full grown yorkies from the same parents (she said) She had many full grown, healthy, beautiful dogs that were hers. The 3 puppies that were for sale are already 4 months old & she's selling them for $650. Everything looked on the up & up....should I be worried?

Who's the breeder?
You can research a lot of breeders by name on here.
You can also use the search section and put in their name or name of their kennel.

This situation sounds odd to me from the beginning. Could be on the up and up but it does sound strange from the get go.

[jsargent]

How do you search breeder by name on here ?

[concretegurl]

click on the Search option on the top blue bar

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[theresac]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

It's hard to answer that question, many have purchased from byb's and not all the dogs have genetic problems, but the problem is so many do. Many of these problems can be fixed, but it's expensive, for example, knee surgery is around $1600 per leg, and that's such a common problem. The hardest part is you will become unbelievably attached to your Yorkie, and the emotional costs are extremely high when your baby has genetic problems.

Did she say why she didn’t have the breeding pair? Another thing that you should be aware of, is puppy mill breeders often sell their dogs through regular homes, and you need to make sure the breeding pair are being treated properly, otherwise these greeders get away with abusing dogs.

If I were you, I'd cancel the sale, if she doesn't return your deposit, it's even more proof, she's a poor breeder.

She says the breeding pair are w/ her folks out of state & that several of her dogs are from those parents. I called the vet in her town & they knew immediately who she was even though I only told them her 1st name. They seemed to have a good relationship w/ her & I asked a lot of questions & they didn't send up any red flags. This made me feel better about the whole thing...I want to trust my gut on this but I don't want to be stupid about it....
She seemed very knowledgeable about the breed, very willing to share training, grooming & care tips...really took her time w/ us & is willing to keep our pup till Dec 23 when we will pick her up for a Christmas surprise. I want to trust that this is all good & I am NOT a trusting person! Please reassure me or tell me to wake up & smell the coffee!!!