Smart A$$

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by Britster

And to even question why service dogs are allowed and our PET Yorkies aren't is mind boggling to me.

I wasn't questioning it in the sense of why can they do it but we can't, I was merely saying it's odd to hear a manager say "you can't have a dog in here, because we sell food" but yet service dogs are still dogs. So in my thinking, if dogs can't come in because they might contaminate the food, whats to keep the service dog from doing the same thing? Does that even remotely make sense??? And the OP made it seem like the ms.VIP person was snotty and rude about her having the dog in the store-I don't think that's appropriate. Merely pull the shopper aside, explain the no dog policy and then both of you have a good day. Its really hard to not get snippy back at someone who has been rude to you (a general you)

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

. Also whoever thinks that dogs are equal to children are CRAZY. I feel really really bad if there is someone who cannot have a child and chose to have dogs rather than adopt human children

You should pop over to surromomsonline or inferiltyworld and read some of the horror stories before you judge. It takes years and upwards of 100,000 to adopt. It can take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars for surrogacy. There's no guarantee you'll ever even get a child. Your surrogate might never get pregnant, or she gets pregnant and miscarries. Or she carries a baby to almost term and her placenta detaches and you have to bury your baby. Or you could have the child for 3 months only to have a biological mom change her mind. Do you have any idea what it's like to have to admit to yourself that your body is broke and you can't do the one thing you want most in this world-make a baby with your husband. I can tell you that I have seen the pain in women's faces when they have to come to that realization. I have carried babies for other couples, just so they can have a family of their own-they turned to surrogacy because adoption failed them. When you are at that low point in your life and you want nothing more than to hold a baby in your arms and can't, I can understand why they get pets. It's something to love them in return and fills a small part of the void and guilt they feel.

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by gidget529

As for why ppl would pick a dog and not adopt a child if they could not have children, some of us have diseases that are very serious. We have managed to survive them, have some semblance (sp) of a lifespan and life; however, child adoption agencies are not going to give us children to raise. Some of us must come to the acceptance that these are the cards we have been dealt and get a small dog to fill that void, as best can be w an animal. ]

I am so sorry. I don't know the specifics of what happened to you, but please know I do understand.

[gidget529]

Originally Posted by McheleM

I am so sorry. I don't know the specifics of what happened to you, but please know I do understand.

Thank you for your understanding and kind words. God bless you for helping the couples you have helped. I'm sure they thank God every day for your willingness to risk your own health and complications to help them have a child - a very selfless act!

[KizzieKins]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

Agreed!

and



Agreed.

I often travel with mine and they are obviously in a carrier for those trips- as required by the airline- I actually HATE when people notice I have a dog in the carrier- I much prefer when I pull the dog out of the carrier at baggage claim and people start commenting that they never noticed I had the dog. I hate that people want to ask a million questions and ask to see the dogs, etc.

I actually find it hilarious when people who have yorkies act like people who have yorkies are all stuck up, show off-y people- if all you want to do is complain about people who own yorkies- both on this site and on other sites- why own them? I am not going to hide my dogs away and never take them anywhere with me because someone might think that having a yorkie with me is a way to show off- I don't apologize for the breed I own.

Also- don't feel bad for people who don't have kids- not everyone wants them.

I agree! I went out of my way to find a purse/carrier that doesn't look like a dog carrier so people would NOT notice I have her. I prefer people to not notice her or me when we are on the go, when I want her noticed I walk her on a leash outside. Sometimes she pops her head up and people see her, but most of the time no one ever knows she is there.


The only comment I have for the people who chose to personally attack me and others like me for choosing to keep our dogs with us when possible is wow... what a horribly mean attitude.. I hope if you do have children you don't raise them to be so vicious and mean towards other people, I know I work extra hard to raise my daughter to be tolerant and kind even when we disagree with others. Our family motto, if you don't have something nice to say, think of something!

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

That is the other side of extreme!!

no biggie, if it was his rule so be it!! I walked.. got lost

Again, if we all treated each other with respect, and was treated with respect the "issues" would not be such a big deal. I really don't understand why some people think that rules don't apply to them, not just with dogs but other stuff as well. I think it is a "etiquette" issue.

As to treating dogs like children. I have children, now I have an empty nest. Remy, Bailey and Sammy are my children. They are not as important as humans of course, but they give me love and I will not have to pay for their college!!!!!

My comment above was not saying that it's not ok to treat a dog like a child or love them like little furry kids too. I love my dogs more than a lot of people love their kids even, but to argue as was done above that someone should be allowed to be shopping with their dogs when they are allowed with their kids is silly. dogs simply aren't children. sometimes they fill a void like children would and sometimes they replace having children by choice or not by choice, but they aren't able to go in stores because they are NOT human beings so saying they are children to you doesn't mean anything to a store manager/owner.

BTW this isn't to argue with the person who i've quoted i'm just showing that lots of us love our dogs and they fill a void somehow. mine sure did for us until we decided to have a baby. i'm just quoting as an example of that love and devotion to a dog. but stating that i don't think they should give people an automatic "IN" in a store that says NO.

[mscat]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

I did this so I wouldn't have to bring them all over the place with me. Also whoever thinks that dogs are equal to children are CRAZY. I feel really really bad if there is someone who cannot have a child and chose to have dogs rather than adopt human children, yes dogs are our family and we love them but as a soon to be mother I now understand that there is a HUGE difference between an animal and a human being.

As for entitlement attitude I totally agree. If the store says NO DOGS or you are told to take the dog outside then LISTEN don't back talk and mouth off. It's their rules and policies. You wouldn't ask to break the law for a child so why break the rules of the store for a DOG???

Take em' everywhere you can but leave em' at home with a pet sitter or another puppy friend when you know that you can't take them into a store.

I know i did not mention anything about children vrs dogs. Their is no comparison. Children are always first.
Yes, I did get carried away. However, it feels good . And I do not care .

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by McheleM

I wasn't questioning it in the sense of why can they do it but we can't, I was merely saying it's odd to hear a manager say "you can't have a dog in here, because we sell food" but yet service dogs are still dogs. So in my thinking, if dogs can't come in because they might contaminate the food, whats to keep the service dog from doing the same thing? Does that even remotely make sense??? And the OP made it seem like the ms.VIP person was snotty and rude about her having the dog in the store-I don't think that's appropriate. Merely pull the shopper aside, explain the no dog policy and then both of you have a good day. Its really hard to not get snippy back at someone who has been rude to you (a general you)
You should pop over to surromomsonline or inferiltyworld and read some of the horror stories before you judge. It takes years and upwards of 100,000 to adopt. It can take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars for surrogacy. There's no guarantee you'll ever even get a child. Your surrogate might never get pregnant, or she gets pregnant and miscarries. Or she carries a baby to almost term and her placenta detaches and you have to bury your baby. Or you could have the child for 3 months only to have a biological mom change her mind. Do you have any idea what it's like to have to admit to yourself that your body is broke and you can't do the one thing you want most in this world-make a baby with your husband. I can tell you that I have seen the pain in women's faces when they have to come to that realization. I have carried babies for other couples, just so they can have a family of their own-they turned to surrogacy because adoption failed them. When you are at that low point in your life and you want nothing more than to hold a baby in your arms and can't, I can understand why they get pets. It's something to love them in return and fills a small part of the void and guilt they feel.

I wasn't saying those things to be mean. I sincerally feel bad for mothers who cannot have a child and chose not to adopt and I feel that yes a dog does fill a void that's a wonderful thing I agree with. I'm saying that you can't expect your dog to come into a store because no matter what it's not a human child.

[peachesmom1sc]

Originally Posted by dawn27

I just dont get it..... why people feel the need to take their animal into a store with them !!

Would you take your dog into the Doctors office with you ?
Would you take your dog into a Hospital with you ?
Would you take your dog into an indoor Resuraunt with you or into a Lawyers office, or even a Bank ?

I wouldn't....

Dogs... (other than a service animal) Do Not belong in stores or any other business that is not a designated animal friendly store, Sign or No Sign thats just common sense !

# 1 yes i did many years ago my lil peaches needed to eat every 30 minutes so i put her in my purse and took her with me no one ever knew she was in it

# 2 yes just a few weeks ago i took my pekingese to the hospital to see my friend here in south carolina as long as they are up to date on everything and has a bath they can go visit

[gidget529]

Originally Posted by mscat

I know i did not mention anything about children vrs dogs. Their is no comparison. Children are always first.
Yes, I did get carried away. However, it feels good . And I do not care .

Would you consider this entitlement?

[Rhetts_mama]

Bottom line, businesses have the freedom to enforce a no dog policy ( with the exception of service dogs) if they so choose. Customers also have the freedom to choose whether or not to patronize the business.

You might be the world's best dog owner. Your dog is clean, healthy, well behaved. But chances are, the guy coming in behind you isn't as conscientious. Why force business owner to stand there and try to determine which type of owner you are? It's easier for them to make a blanket statement of "no dogs allowed." Just because it's not posted specifically doesn't mean it's ok to take them in. How hard is it to ask first? And if the answer is a "no", then why sweat it? We may love our dogs beyond reason, but everyone else doesn't have to.

BTW-every hospital I have ever worked at has had a "no pets" policy. Only a select handful of specially trained and (health)screened dogs and trainers were ever allowed in because there are immune compromised people there (heck, most ICU's don't even allow flowers or balloons any more because of the health risks!) The most well behaved pet can freak out at the sounds and smells of a hospital.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

I did this so I wouldn't have to bring them all over the place with me. Also whoever thinks that dogs are equal to children are CRAZY. I feel really really bad if there is someone who cannot have a child and chose to have dogs rather than adopt human children, yes dogs are our family and we love them but as a soon to be mother I now understand that there is a HUGE difference between an animal and a human being.

As for entitlement attitude I totally agree. If the store says NO DOGS or you are told to take the dog outside then LISTEN don't back talk and mouth off. It's their rules and policies. You wouldn't ask to break the law for a child so why break the rules of the store for a DOG???

Take em' everywhere you can but leave em' at home with a pet sitter or another puppy friend when you know that you can't take them into a store.

Why should everyone adopt a child over a dog? Not everyone is fit for a child. I feel terrible for your dogs if they are not somewhat "equal" to your newborn child. So when the baby comes, they are pushed down a level? If so, that's sad. And happens far too often. Young people get dogs, treat them like royalty, then a baby comes along and they get shoved aside.

I agree that humans have a certain... superiority to dogs, obviously. But I see nothing wrong with treating my best friend and canine companion like a member of my family and equal to a child. Yes, I think there is a certain bond that is going to be there between mother and child that may not be there between mother and dog, of course. If I had to pick who to save from falling off a cliff, my child or my dog, I'd pick my child, that sort of thing.

But if a couple can't have a baby and wants a dog in 'replacement' of having a child, there is NOTHING wrong with that, either. You just have to realize that they are still a dog and will still do doggy things.

My aunt's Pit Bull has been her baby for the last 8yrs. She had her son one year ago. Yes, her son now is #1 priority in her life but she is sure to give Max everything he needs as well. Max gets his alone time with her still, she still is sure to get him his walks, to take him down to the beach, she includes him in everything she does WITH her child. While Max runs and plays on the beach, the baby sits on a blanket and watches, etc. It's a tough balancing act but I think it's sad that you have a sudden change in attitude over your dogs simply because you are going to have a human child now. I know MANY people who had babies and still doted on their dogs like children.

Originally Posted by TresCutePiggies

Wow. I can't believe how heated his debate has gotten. I love to take my girls with me when I go places, and they aren't small by yorkie standards. However, if I'm asked to leave, I would certainly do so politely (even if the person asking was snotty). I respect the rules, and I'm a self admitted rule follower. I chose to frequent places who have no problems with dogs being in there, and the places who don't allow dogs I'm not as likely to go to. I don't see what is wrong with that, and I certainly don't see why enjoying having my dogs with me everywhere makes me a bad dog owner or in need of attention.

They are certainly not accessories to me, nor are they treated that way. Do I dress them up everyday? Yes.

Do they eat a "good" food and get appropriate vet care? Absolutely. Do they get intense exercise every day? Yes.

Do they go to daycare when I have a bunch of non dog friendly errands to run? Yes.

They both keep up when we do long walks (4+ miles) around the lake. They also go to doggie meetups, farmer's markets, outdoor festivals, pet expos, malls, and other doggie events - sometimes being pushed in a stroller, which has been a life saver when I feel an event gets too crowed or the girls get hot or tired.

A lot of stores are thrilled to see their sweet little faces and want to pet them and ask all kinds of questions, which is nice when you aren't in a hurry. Since January this year, the girls have gone out of town with us four times I think. Rory has easily been on over 25 flights and Lane probably 15 or so. I guess bringing them with me when I go out of town rather than boarding them means I want attention to? When I travel, I'd really people rather not notice I even have them with me. Usually, once we are waiting on our bags they'll pop their heads out and people are shocked that dogs were on the flight. They are like my children, and I only want the very best for them. As long as they are happy being with me and not a nuisance to others, I really don't see what the problem is. They bring so much joy to my life...I think the real question is why wouldn't I want them there with me.

Agreed

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Wow. That was a little uncalled for.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

My comment above was not saying that it's not ok to treat a dog like a child or love them like little furry kids too. I love my dogs more than a lot of people love their kids even, but to argue as was done above that someone should be allowed to be shopping with their dogs when they are allowed with their kids is silly. dogs simply aren't children. sometimes they fill a void like children would and sometimes they replace having children by choice or not by choice, but they aren't able to go in stores because they are NOT human beings so saying they are children to you doesn't mean anything to a store manager/owner.

BTW this isn't to argue with the person who i've quoted i'm just showing that lots of us love our dogs and they fill a void somehow. mine sure did for us until we decided to have a baby. i'm just quoting as an example of that love and devotion to a dog. but stating that i don't think they should give people an automatic "IN" in a store that says NO.

Yes, I do agree with this!

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

Sounds like a magical place! Not much of that here in Northern FL.

Nor here in my town in Ohio !

I guess that is perfectly fine and up to the business owner in each case.

I love my babies... I don't take them with me around town unless I know for a fact that I will not need to stop for any reason or there is someone in the car to sit with them. Usually only if I plan on being in a dog friendly area that allow my animals to be with me. Or straight to the park and than home.

[JMuedog]

Sorry the clerk came off rude to you.

I think there is a reason for the regulations health departments put on businesses. If they allow non-service dogs in who's to say people couldn't bring their pet rats, spiders...

If pets aren't allowed they aren't allowed. The store I work in has signs stating service animals only and they are ignored often, it gets old.

[susan lynn]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Bottom line, businesses have the freedom to enforce a no dog policy ( with the exception of service dogs) if they so choose. Customers also have the freedom to choose whether or not to patronize the business.

You might be the world's best dog owner. Your dog is clean, healthy, well behaved. But chances are, the guy coming in behind you isn't as conscientious. Why force business owner to stand there and try to determine which type of owner you are? It's easier for them to make a blanket statement of "no dogs allowed." Just because it's not posted specifically doesn't mean it's ok to take them in. How hard is it to ask first? And if the answer is a "no", then why sweat it? We may love our dogs beyond reason, but everyone else doesn't have to.

BTW-every hospital I have ever worked at has had a "no pets" policy. Only a select handful of specially trained and (health)screened dogs and trainers were ever allowed in because there are immune compromised people there (heck, most ICU's don't even allow flowers or balloons any more because of the health risks!) The most well behaved pet can freak out at the sounds and smells of a hospital.

I had a small mixed breed dog that was allowed to do pet therapy in the nursing home I worked at and he was featured on a Channel 8 (local channel) for his volunteer work. He also was a pet therapy dog at a Senior center for the frail elderly. I am sure this would not have been allowed in a hospital. It is amazing at the difference in some people when there are animals around them.It can make a world of difference.