Bringing your YT into a restaurant...do you or don't you?

[LeylasMom]

Livinging in the Florida keys, most places have outdoor seating and we are all pretty laid back. There are only a few places that are stuffy. Leyla goes almost everywhere and loves to go to dinner.

[kionini]

Originally Posted by Deuce

Honestly I think European kids put a bad taste in my mouth for kids. I can't get away from them, I decided to try to have a night out with the BF where I thought there would be no kids. And lo' and behold' there are kids doing zig-zags throughout the restaurant...It was 10 PM btw. I've seen kids playing kick-ball near the kitchen, the dirty ball flying into the chef's area where he was making pizza, the guy picked the ball up and tossed it back to the kids and continued making the pizza (no glove change or hand wash).

Kids in Europe, for the most part, are irritating, obnoxious, and rude. And the parents do nothing, NOTHING to correct them. I've witnessed big kids, like 13, push little kids, probably around 6, out of their way. The little one will fall down and start crying and nothing happens, parents don't come over and correct them. Shoot, I've had a 10-ish y/o kid shove his way through me on an airplane while trying to find a seat! RUDE!

Kids on airplanes...gah...I don't care if their crying, I feel for them. I understand how much it sucks being cramped up, bored, and having your ears hurt. However, if they start kicking the back of my seat, it is on. I've given parents dirty looks in that case, I've even turned around and told the kid to stop it.

I cant wait to get back to American kids, where for the most part the only time you see temper tantrums are if the kid is having a bad day. And even then the parent is usually trying to make it stop. Maybe then I'll decide if kids will ever be a part of my life...for now there is no freakin way!

[kionini]

Originally Posted by CouversMom

This is just it. I don't take my dogs on purpose when we know we are going to a restaurant. We will leave them at home when we go out for an evening, but we travel a lot (to visit family) and on our road trips we have to eat. Often we will drive through or go inside and (rarely) if I can park the car where I can see them AND the weather is good, we will eat inside. Otherwise, I do NOT leave my dogs in the car and yes, they do ride in their bag. The safety of my dogs is of utmost importance to me, and I will not risk them being taken.

In the almost 3 years that I have been carrying Couver, he has not once made a peep or caused someone to have an allergy attack. My dogs are bathed once a week and have less dander than most pet owners probably carry on their clothing.

You see? In these type of situations I more than understand. I'm okay with people taking their babies everywhere in general, in fact, I prefer it to people leaving them alone at home for long periods of time or in the car, which is so dangerous.
At the supermarket I was waiting on line one day, when a lady pushing her way through jumped the line all the way to the front and asked the person whose turn was up to let her go first. Being an older woman, I supposed, he let her. I was furious with this woman for her rudeness and inconsideration.

In the mean time another line opened and I ran to it to finish my shopping.
Well, when I got to the parking lot I saw her getting in her car where there were this tiny furbabies faces smack against the window My heart shrunk at the thought of someone stealing them or them suffering from heat exposure. If only I had known, I would have helped her push her way through earlier

As long as it's for your babies safety and happiness, you can do just about anything in my book...I'd even help

[kionini]

Originally Posted by katienme2002

I wanted to add that I love my daughter dearly (she is almost 9) but it really is the hardest job in the world. IMO...I wouldnt trade her for anything in the world, but I dont want any more kids..lol..I dont know if its because I cant handle it, or I am too selfish, I just know that I cannot do it again..lol..This girl keeps me on my toes to say the least, I try to be mindful of what she sees and hears on t.v. or anywhere, and then she learns the crap at school. Sometimes I am at my wits end..lol..Its so much easier with dogs..lol..My parents stay on my case about having more kids, and I tell them the baby factory is CLOSED..lol..They dont get it, but I honestly 100 percent know that most of the time I feel like I am losing my mind..lol..

You're the ONLY ONE who knows what makes you happy. Parents THINK they know what's best for us, but they don't. I get pressured a lot by my family to have kids (still). We're from Spanish, Catholic descent and not having children is almost a sin I get the 'you have to have your children, it's not too late' sermon all the time. I've even had them say that my pooches aren't going to bring me a glass of water to bed when I'm old and sick

At first, I avoided a pregnancy like the plague, then later I tried to have a child. When I realize how tough it was, I asked myself who was I doing this for? It turned out that I was trying FOR my family...the wrong reason, so I stopped. Follow your heart, it will never mislead you

[katienme2002]

Originally Posted by kionini

You're the ONLY ONE who knows what makes you happy. Parents THINK they know what's best for us, but they don't. I get pressured a lot by my family to have kids (still). We're from Spanish, Catholic descent and not having children is almost a sin I get the 'you have to have your children, it's not too late' sermon all the time. I've even had them say that my pooches aren't going to bring me a glass of water to bed when I'm old and sick

At first, I avoided a pregnancy like the plague, then later I tried to have a child. When I realize how tough it was, I asked myself who was I doing this for? It turned out that I was trying FOR my family...the wrong reason, so I stopped. Follow your heart, it will never mislead you

Thanks for that post! Im glad to know I am not the only one. I always get the speech about "you cant have her be an only child, she doesnt have anyone to play with, etc" I hate to admit it but god forbid if I did have another child and Katie is almost 9, she would end up helping me with the baby, not actually having another child to play games,etc with and thats not fair either. IMO..

[kionini]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I just thought of something. I actually do NOT take Thor to restaurants with dog friendly patios, because Thor goes bananas when I'm eating something and other people/dogs walk by. He's normally very friendly with people, but I really think he believes everyone going by is planning to steal "our" food.

So I'm saying, I am allowed to take him in certain areas, but I don't, because my standard is generally, will this bother other people, or bother my dog. I really think that a small, non-shedding dog in an enclosed bag is not going to cause an allergy attack or cause a restaurant to get fined - I think these are extreme arguments, like saying that if you jaywalk, you could cause a horrible car accident.

It's not like I'm a career criminal, but I break rules from time to time. I do think there is a clear difference between a dog you can carry in a bag and a large one - just like, no shoes, no shirt, no service. I think it would be reasonable to change the rules that if your dog is in a bag, it's allowed. Your dog really can't be a sanitation risk at that point.

I can respect that other people disagree.

BTW, there's an easy way to avoid being bothered by kids on planes: EAR PLUGS! I never fly without 'em.

I respect other people's opinion too, but it's hard to tell when they're legitimate arguments or just attention seeking Like in the allergies subject, being that some one has mention that symptoms don't necessarily show up at the moment. Who's to say that the allergic episode was really because of the furbaby, then?

Take for instance; I was invited to a dinner at my in-laws once, they knew we were coming with Nini (it was only her at that time) and as soon as we got there my sister in-law's father had an allergy attack Just by looking at Nini from the other room.

We were asked to lock Nini up in the bathroom (we didn't, of course), so we spent about an hour in the back of the house, then we left. later I found out that this man is a 'DRAMA QUEEN' who would do anything just to get attention He's allergic to dogs, but not to his chain-smoking I don't get it

I'll take your suggestion about the earplugs into consideration for my trip to Europe (some day), but what do you suggest for the kicking in the back of the seat I'm coming up with a blank on that one, can't think of anything that may work

[kionini]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Alternatively: ALWAYS CHOOSE THE REAR-MOST ROW IN THE PLANE! Yes, you will be sitting next to the bathroom and it will smell disgusting, but no one can sit behind you.

There, problem double-dog solved!

There you go. I hadn't seen this suggestion. The others are great too, btw but this wold be cheaper. Now, I have to balance the worst of two evils...hummmm, smelly versus headaches from kicks in the back seat....tough one

[LeylasMom]

Used to do tons of business travel. When kids would kick the back of my seat I would wait for the parent to do something and if they didn't, I'd turn around and ask them to please put an end to this type of behavior. Most parents would apologize and try to keep the little one under control. If they didn't, called the steward over and asked for help with this problem. I raised by husband's kids for 20 years and swore to never have any of my own. He passed away 7.5 years ago and I have no desire to deal with this again. Been there, done that. I like kids....as long as they belong to someone else and have at least moderate manners. For this reason, we don't frequent places that are "kid friendly". My kids all have tails and are well behaved.. I am the pack leader in this house.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by kionini

I respect other people's opinion too, but it's hard to tell when they're legitimate arguments or just attention seeking Like in the allergies subject, being that some one has mention that symptoms don't necessarily show up at the moment. Who's to say that the allergic episode was really because of the furbaby, then?

Take for instance; I was invited to a dinner at my in-laws once, they knew we were coming with Nini (it was only her at that time) and as soon as we got there my sister in-law's father had an allergy attack Just by looking at Nini from the other room.

We were asked to lock Nini up in the bathroom (we didn't, of course), so we spent about an hour in the back of the house, then we left. later I found out that this man is a 'DRAMA QUEEN' who would do anything just to get attention He's allergic to dogs, but not to his chain-smoking I don't get it

I'll take your suggestion about the earplugs into consideration for my trip to Europe (some day), but what do you suggest for the kicking in the back of the seat I'm coming up with a blank on that one, can't think of anything that may work

Well I brought up allergies because I know first hand. I have a cousin that cant breathe if a dog is in the room. There are people out there in society that have extreme allergies and dont make up their reactions

[Alvindy]

I wouldn't do it, and wouldn't be pleased of someone else did - even though I love dogs. The reason being - I know how clean my dogs are but not how clean other folks dogs are. The same is true in the reverse - others don't know anything about my dogs' cleanliness so it isn't appropriate for me to force them to eat with my dogs in the restaurant. My dogs are no more or less important than theirs and I don't want their dogs there when I am out for dinner so I wouldn't take mine.

[kionini]

Originally Posted by katienme2002

Thanks for that post! Im glad to know I am not the only one. I always get the speech about "you cant have her be an only child, she doesnt have anyone to play with, etc" I hate to admit it but god forbid if I did have another child and Katie is almost 9, she would end up helping me with the baby, not actually having another child to play games,etc with and thats not fair either. IMO..

You're so welcomed I think that you're thinking in the most unselfish way and I admire you for that. Your 9 year old will be fine. I have a cousin who's an only child and have better friends than most people I know. You know what they say "you can't choose your family, but you can choose your friends." I have found myself asking why wasn't I an only child, sometimes

If you feel it in your heart that your decision is the right one for you, follow it no matter what. My decision is the most unselfish act I have ever done. If it's not right for me, is not fair to the child. My family doesn't see it that way, on the contrary they think its selfish and egotistic of me. But only hb and I know the real reasons why and we're at peace with our decision

[AlicetheYorkie]

Originally Posted by katienme2002

I wanted to add that I love my daughter dearly (she is almost 9) but it really is the hardest job in the world. IMO...I wouldnt trade her for anything in the world, but I dont want any more kids..lol..I dont know if its because I cant handle it, or I am too selfish, I just know that I cannot do it again..lol..This girl keeps me on my toes to say the least, I try to be mindful of what she sees and hears on t.v. or anywhere, and then she learns the crap at school. Sometimes I am at my wits end..lol..Its so much easier with dogs..lol..My parents stay on my case about having more kids, and I tell them the baby factory is CLOSED..lol..They dont get it, but I honestly 100 percent know that most of the time I feel like I am losing my mind..lol..

I'm the same way. We have one 6 yr. old son and my baby factory is closed too lol. My mom doesn'e pester me to have more though - she knows me well enough to know that for me, one is enough. I LOVE being a mom, but I couldn't handle having any more kids. Just like averyone's talking about - you want to raise them right and teach them properly and if I had more I just know it would be an out of control situation lol. I'm gonna friend request you so we can have our own little support group LOL.

[katienme2002]

[QUOTE=kionini;3525232]I respect other people's opinion too, but it's hard to tell when they're legitimate arguments or just attention seeking Like in the allergies subject, being that some one has mention that symptoms don't necessarily show up at the moment. Who's to say that the allergic episode was really because of the furbaby, then?


Ok, not sure exactly where this is going. But its def. not for attention on my part. I made the above comment above allergies showing up at the exact moment. You are right in the sense that if it shows up later it may or may not be from the dog, but me personally I just dont want to be responisble for any harm or someone being uncomfortable for something on my part. You can do whatever you wish, I PERSONALLY (key word personally) wouldnt go against the rules. End of story. Now that being said, yorkies probably would not be such a big deal , but think of all the HUGE dogs that could frequent the establishment as well. You cant ban everything BUT yorkies.. My views are my views I just choose to respectfully disagree with others . Thanks.

[katienme2002]

Originally Posted by AlicetheYorkie

I'm the same way. We have one 6 yr. old son and my baby factory is closed too lol. My mom doesn'e pester me to have more though - she knows me well enough to know that for me, one is enough. I LOVE being a mom, but I couldn't handle having any more kids. Just like averyone's talking about - you want to raise them right and teach them properly and if I had more I just know it would be an out of control situation lol. I'm gonna friend request you so we can have our own little support group LOL.

That would be awesome! At this point I need all the support I can get..lol...At least we know what our limit on children is ..haha..

[Suze225]

I have taken both of my yorkies into restaurants. In their carriers of course.