Here we go again, and again...

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Sine pit bulls bites seem to always make the news, that number isn't all that high. It looks like less than 100 a year? More kids drown in swimming pools yearly than that... There are double the # of drowning in the US in one year than injury from pit bulls in 20 years if we go by that site.

And there is absolutely no way they can do a % of pit bull population estimate. There are hundreds of thousands + more dogs that aren't registered. It is impossible to estimate.

Yep. I would know, my brother is part of the statistics as he drowned in 2006. We have been working for nearly 5yrs to get a few simple laws passed and it's nearly impossible and gets passed by every year, yet thousands are drowning every year. 1 in 5 children drown with lifeguards present. It's the second leading cause of death in children 14 and under and actually the first leading in approx. 14 states, I believe. It's an even larger problem yet nobody pays attention it... but because Pit Bulls are "popular" in the media, it gets more recognition.

Originally Posted by gemy

I"d like to see mandatory chipping instituted by all registries in North America. All litters must be chipped, and then when sold the microchip info is transferred to new owner.
Then I'd like to see mandatory reporting, using a chip scanner that then identifies the breed, the bite, the person bit by age and sex, the emergency care given, and a short narrative of incidence description. A standard form that must be filled out by the health care or emt that attends to the person.
In my opinion on all these dog bites stats, we have "garbage in" and therefor no reliable stats out.
I'd also like to see mandatory reporting of health stats that are collected by vets, entered into a OFA like database, sorted by chip number by breed, etc.
I'd like to see that city dog licensing requires a universally identifiable chip, that will help to identify the crossbreeds or mutts.

I think that sounds like a fantastic idea!

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by Gatord

Me too (in red) .

I seen a pick-up truck yesterday with a dog box on back. A pit was in the box and another on top. I was so mad. The one on top was chained to the box and the poor guy (pit) was holding on with his front paws on front of dog box. I tried to catch up with the guy to get tag number I was going to call it in. You could see the terror in the dogs face. I wanted to put that driver on a chain on top of the box and haul butt and see if he could hold on. So sad. My next thought was do you any kids?

gee... see the difference in people who really care about animals. My heart breaks for the pit that was chained on top. BUT.. I would do every thing in my power to kill a pit who came after my little guys.

I really have gone up and down with this thread. It is an emotional topic. I think I will be more pro active in having something on my person that will "ward off" dogs when walking my pack. I just can't get out of my mind the story of the lady who had to throw her yorkie to a pack of pit bulls to save herself. I just don't know if I could deal with myself if I felt I had to do that . I just want to cry and I can't control the bad owners or the laws so I have to protect in the best way I can.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I really have gone up and down with this thread. It is an emotional topic. I think I will be more pro active in having something on my person that will "ward off" dogs when walking my pack. I just can't get out of my mind the story of the lady who had to throw her yorkie to a pack of pit bulls to save herself. I just don't know if I could deal with myself if I felt I had to do that . I just want to cry and I can't control the bad owners or the laws so I have to protect in the best way I can.

I didn't see this?! That's terrible. Ugh, it makes me ill.

I think having something to ward off dogs is very smart. I thought about it this past weekend when camping and there was a camper that had two Labs, one of which did NOT friendly and they were keeping him OFF leash (grrrr) and as I was walking Buddy (dads dog) and Jackson, he looked like he was about to charge us and I'm not sure what he would have done if he hadn't listened to his owners and turned around. Maybe he wasn't aggressive, but still.

ALL weekend long I could hear them shouting "Marley! Get BACK here!" I'm like... put your dog on a leash! He's obviously not reliable enough to be off it, grrr.

Anyways, I'm not really sure what would be best to do in a situation like that. Do you think grabbing your dog and kind of laying on top of them would help? But then the attack dog would probably be biting your back. I'm not really sure.

[mscat]

I don't know if this fact has already been mentioned about the pitbull breed. This breed has the large jaw structure that is designed to clamp down on its prey, and not let go. They have very powerful jaws, that simply lock down. This is why pit bulls have a bad reputation. Not to mention that young thugs like to use them for dog fighting. Making them even more dangerous . I have also heard that it is the Blue Nosed Pitbull that has the most issues with being very aggressive, and violent. It is something in their genetic makeup that makes them even more far dangerous then the average Pit. Anter thing that is a fact. Pitbulls are so much more likely to end up in animal shelters and PTS then any other breed. When a pit goes into a shelter it is pretty much doomed.
I have mixed feelings about this breed, because I have seee nice Pitbulls. Even though they still scare me. They can also be unpredictable which does not help the breeds reputation. So many countries now ban the bully breeds, plus army bases will not allow anybody to own them.
About the Shih Tzu biting somebody on the nose in a public store.... UMM Not too sure what the heck got into that one dog, Shih Tzus are normally docile breeds , and not known for aggression. They are calm and sweet dogs. I have one and she is smaller then my yorkie. My shih tzu hardly even barks. She is so calm I can have her as a service dog, as well as take her to retirement centers. the one my father died in.
Their are a few Pit bulls in my neighborhood , two of them scare me to death. I know if they were loose they would go straight for my 2 small dogs, and that would be it.
Not too long ago a toddler wandered into the home's garage, and was killed by the families 2 pitbulls.
But their is anther pretty agressive breed out there , the carn na serio I did not spell that right. Those were the 2 dogs that killed a grown woman in San Fransisco as she was going into her own home. It was years ago, but made huge news everywhere.

[bellemarie]

i am very much anti-BSL. it is just rediculous- laughable even (here at least). link is a story of a family pet Lennox who was taken from his family, where he acts almost as an alert dog for his owner, a 13yr old girl. he was taken because his muzzle and legs are the appropriate length of a pitbull- even though they had a dna profile performed to prove otherwise... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...ghlight=lennox
his case is still to be determined in court next month- so just because he looks like an illegal breed, he has been locked away from human contact for a year now (his owner was 12 when they took him from her home, where he was sitting on her knee getting a cuddle minutes before they put the leash on him.)
when i was little, we all knew to stay away from two dogs in specific from our area- one was a cairn terrier the other was a toy poodle. no one could get these dogs taken off the owners for some reason, but they were downright nasty dogs- and quite often ran loose. one of my friends fell off her scooter on the path where the cairn was sitting round the corner. we were at the other end of the street before we noticed she wasnt amongst us- looked back and it had her leg and was biting and chomping it (like the animated ones do, only with more blood). it took 2 boys, 2 girls, her screams of agony and a scooter to the back to get it off her, (i normally dont agree with violence towards animals, but we were 8 and it was kinda a special circumstance!) and it then just licked its lips and ran off home. even though that complaint was filed and she needed Several stiches, 'it was only a little dog and didnt mean any harm', so nothing was done- appart from the owner took the hint and kept it locked up... that never made the news, yet when a kid pokes a bigger dog in the eye and blinds it the dog isnt allowed so much as a snarl or its pts.
personally, i do think that if a kid is going to hurt a dog, if it gets bit then it deserves it and the parents should have 'trained' it better, but that doesnt mean i feel the same about unprovoked attacks.
in would love an APBT, but because of some idiots fighting them, i'll never be allowed- although staffies are the fighting dog of choice here now because of the ban. if staffies are banned, they'll move on to something else, and just keep on going... if people want to fight dogs, it doesnt matter the breed, they'll keep on going with whatever can hold its own. sad, but true.

[Deuce]

American 'Pit Bull' Terriers (taken from American Pit Bull Terrier, Pit Bulls, Pitbulls)

Height: 18-22 inches (46-56 cm)
Weight: 22 -110 pounds (10-50 kg)
Please Note: The APBT ranges in size from 22 pounds to 110 pounds (rare), with the most common being between 35 - 55 pounds (16-25 kg.), in fact the original APBT's were between 20 - 40 pounds (9-18 kg.) and were bred small for their main purpose, fighting, These dogs are varying from small to extra large. A very common misconception is that APBT's are muscle bound (viscous) hulks that weigh in around 85 pounds (39 kg.) and this is generally not the majority, Most of the APBT's that Are that large have been crossed with another breed.

Their natural aggressive tendencies are toward other dogs and animals, not people. However if they are properly socialized with a firm, but calm, confident, consistent pack leader, they will not even be aggressive with them. The American Pit Bull Terrier is a good-natured, amusing, extremely loyal and affectionate family pet, which is good with children and adults. Almost always obedient, it is always eager to please its master. It is an extremely courageous and intelligent guard dog that is very full of vitality. Highly protective of his owners and the owner's property, it will fight an enemy to the death. It is usually very friendly, but has an uncanny ability to know when it needs to protect and when everything is okay. The American Pit Bull Terrier can be willful with meek owners and needs a firm hand. They are generally okay with other pets if they are raised with them from puppy hood. They are very friendly, but not recommended for most people, because most people do not understand how to properly raise and treat a dog.

The APBT, as registered by the UKC, is an individual breed of dog and does not refer to just any ill-bred, mindless warrior-type mongrel. At one time, the Pit Bull was a much loved, trustworthy companion. People who chose to train these dogs to fight are chiefly responsible for the banning and witch-hunting that has been sweeping the U.S. The media, however, should not go unmentioned, for it is also responsible for escalating isolated incidences in a relentless and attention-getting way. In a lot of cases when the media is reporting about a Pit Bull attacking, it is indeed not even a Pit Bull at all, but a mixed breed of some sort, or another bull breed all together. An example, there was a report on KYW news in Philadelphia about two Pit Bulls attacking a person. The dogs did not look like Pit Bulls, but rather Boxer mix looking dogs. The news station was called and asked if they knew the dogs were in fact purebred American Pit Bull Terriers, or another bull breed of some sort, or a mutt for that matter. They stated they did not know, and to call the police station to verify that information. They were asked how they could report something that they were not sure of. They had no answer and they were not sure of the dog's breed. Even after admitting on the phone that they did not in fact know the breed of the dogs in question, they kept calling the dogs Pit Bulls in their reports. Why? Because the name Pit Bull will drawl out the most attention from the public. The Pit Bull's future has been perhaps irreparably undone and everyone is to blame except the dog itself. This very loyal dog is too set on pleasing his owner, and ironically this is the root of his own undoing.

[katienme2002]

Originally Posted by kalina82

I think we also have to remember that the "pit bull" isn't a set breed. The term "pit bull" can be used for any dog that "appears" to look like one to the person doing the classifying. "Pit Bull" can encompass the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, "game" pit bulls, bully to bully hybrids, pit bull mixed with other non-bully pure bred, and any built, muscular dog with a square head and wrinkles . I think it is harder to get true numbers on pit bull attacks because it will always include mixes and dogs that aren't actually pit bulls but just have that look.

can you tell the difference?
findpitbull_v4
http://www.pinellascounty.org/animal...reeds-test.pdf

I couldnt agree with you more on this. I love pit bulls, dont know if I would ever own one again, but they do get a bad rap. And its mostly because everyone wants to label any dog that even closely resembles this kind of dog a pit bull. It sickens me that the media and others are so non educated on this. Now if a REAL ACTUAL true pit bull attacks someone and its on the news so be it, but come on half the time they show some mixed up something and label it a pit. JMO>....

[candigirl]

Originally Posted by Britster

I'm not sure where you are getting that it's a load of crock. I admit, I didn't do any deep searching but that list is on multiple dog forums. I'm going to go search now to find out more info. I could not find anything about it being "fake" on Google, and usually snopes would have something. I believe they are simply saying that this list of dog breeds are banned SOMEWHERE. An apartment complex in, say, California, may have Pugs banned, etc. Irregardless, it just proves how ridiculous BSL really is and you can't just naturally assume your breed is "safe". Ban one breed, you're allowing them to be able to ban any breed they want for any reason.

I posted this above but everyone that is for BSL seemed to pass by some of the facts I posted. In the ten years since the Dangerous Dogs Act banned the last 4 dogs in the UK (Fila, PB 'type', Dogo Argentino and Japanese Tosa) dog bites have increased by 50%. Clearly... something is NOT working.

We don't wipe out or ban the German's because Hitler was a terrible man.
So why is it any different for dogs? Thanks to BYBers and puppy millers, Golden Retrievers have been on the rise over the last decade or so for dog bites. However, subjecting them to BSL would be... idiotic, right? A knee jerk reaction to a HUGE problem that can not just be fixed by banning them.

I saw this posted somewhere else and totally agree:
Why don't you just go ahead and ban all black people? After all, black people are the cause of violent crime and it's well known that having a group of black people around means that sooner or later, someone is going to get killed, because that's what they do. Black people are vicious killers and are a menace to society.

See how dumb that sounds? Now just replace black person with pit bull.

I don't particularly like Jack Russel Terriers. Most of them I meet are annoying, barky, hyper spazzes who constantly start trouble and get into fights. That's my generalization of them from all the ones I've had experienced with (and lived with). I've only met one JRT that I liked. So because I've had bad experiences with them, I'm going to support that they all be banned? No... that would be silly.

I know the mod said this statement wasn't meant to offend but i am extremely offended by this. This so called analogy sickens me and should never have been mentioned, what a horrible thing to post.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Britster

I'm not sure where you are getting that it's a load of crock. I admit, I didn't do any deep searching but that list is on multiple dog forums. I'm going to go search now to find out more info. I could not find anything about it being "fake" on Google, and usually snopes would have something. I believe they are simply saying that this list of dog breeds are banned SOMEWHERE. An apartment complex in, say, California, may have Pugs banned, etc. Irregardless, it just proves how ridiculous BSL really is and you can't just naturally assume your breed is "safe". Ban one breed, you're allowing them to be able to ban any breed they want for any reason.

I posted this above but everyone that is for BSL seemed to pass by some of the facts I posted. In the ten years since the Dangerous Dogs Act banned the last 4 dogs in the UK (Fila, PB 'type', Dogo Argentino and Japanese Tosa) dog bites have increased by 50%. Clearly... something is NOT working.

We don't wipe out or ban the German's because Hitler was a terrible man.
So why is it any different for dogs? Thanks to BYBers and puppy millers, Golden Retrievers have been on the rise over the last decade or so for dog bites. However, subjecting them to BSL would be... idiotic, right? A knee jerk reaction to a HUGE problem that can not just be fixed by banning them.

I saw this posted somewhere else and totally agree:
Why don't you just go ahead and ban all black people? After all, black people are the cause of violent crime and it's well known that having a group of black people around means that sooner or later, someone is going to get killed, because that's what they do. Black people are vicious killers and are a menace to society.

See how dumb that sounds? Now just replace black person with pit bull.

I don't particularly like Jack Russel Terriers. Most of them I meet are annoying, barky, hyper spazzes who constantly start trouble and get into fights. That's my generalization of them from all the ones I've had experienced with (and lived with). I've only met one JRT that I liked. So because I've had bad experiences with them, I'm going to support that they all be banned? No... that would be silly.

I explained in the very post you quoted why I think it is a crock. The list is compiled by a self-proclaimed group with no credentials -- the "Responsible Dog Owners of the Western States" and they say there are two ways to get on the list: either by the breed being named or a description fitting the breed being banned. They are using their very broad and loose interpretation of the description fitting these breeds to put them on the list. The states are not putting all of these breeds on a banned list. This group is trying to over-generalize the description so that they can say all of the breeds are banned when they know full well the intent of the law was never to ban all of them!!

Saying the list has some sort of credence because it has been repeated on several dog forums is ridiculous. That does not make it so! Your next reason for the list being true is even more inane -- just because it is NOT mentioned on SNOPES, then it must be true??? Really???? I can think of millions of things that are NOT on SNOPES, does that make them true? NO!

You say that the list means the breeds listed are banned somewhere. I say that is NOT TRUE. By their own admission, they have included dog breeds that THEY believe meet a "description" listed somewhere of dogs that are banned. In other words, in trying to further define a pit bull, authorities have included descriptions and then this group has wildly exaggerated the description to include most of the breeds they listed on their list. You have to be very careful when you start believing everything written on an internet site is true! If they did the actual research to show all of these breeds were really banned, don't you think they would list the law/municipality/etc. to back up their accusations? They don't list them, because they have exaggerated this article so much, that it no longer has any resemblance to the real laws on the books.

I am guessing that you are using an analogy of the Jack Russell Terrier since I own one. But your analogy is not fitting the situation. There is a HUGE difference in a dog being annoying and a dog being a KILLER! My JRT's mouth will not open enough to be any real threat. As far as starting fights? What are you using to substantiate that accusation? I have not seen any JRTs that start fights, and have seen no statistics verifying that. For a dog lover to say to another dog lover that a breed they own are "annoying, barky, hyper spazzes" seems very insulting, disrespectful, immature, rude, and not very animal-loving at all. I am sure you are doing it intentionally so you can say, "now you know how pit bull owners feel" but I have NOT insulted the pit bulls or any other breed. I have made it quite clear I thought MAN was the problem. So, why would you do this to me? Truthfully, I find this beneath you.

I will reiterate that the main difference is that of fatalities! Those who do not want any bans or restrictions on pit bulls usually like to bring up another breed that has bitten ..... but it is not a simple dog bite that makes a dog a danger to humans! It is the fact that some can kill. That is my objection to continuing breeding programs for pit bulls. They kill people! There are verifiable statistics that are legally mandated to show when human lives are taken by dogs. These are not some made up crap from a group calling itself "Responsible Dog Owners of the Western States," these are government-kept statistics which have been put in the system by doctors who are legally responsible for doing so. We do not treat assassins/murderers the same way we treat someone who got into a high school fistfight, do we? Of course not! We MUST have laws that fit the situation. We cannot have the same penalty for a man who murders as we do that high school boy who punches his buddy. So, we cannot have the same penalty for a dog who KILLS PEOPLE as we do for one that occasionally bites someone.

Concerning the analogy of a black person.....you are right in that it does "sound dumb" but I will NOT further dignify such preposterous words with a reply! Same with the Hitler comparison. Using them to compare with the subject of spay & neutering for pit bulls is just a horrible racial insult! We are so far off track here......and that is usually what happens when there are no intelligent answers to a problem other than what the writer is against.

I am saddened that you have decided to personalize this debate. There are always going to be two sides to this topic. Each can feel strongly and relate their beliefs WITHOUT insulting one another, their dogs, or entire races! I think of you as too good of a friend to continue down this path. I know you are passionate about your stance as I am about mine. I think most who have seen the horrible disfiguring results of a pit bull attack on an innocent child feel as I do. But let's agree to disagree, state our beliefs maturely and leave the insults and disgusting, far-fetched comparisons behind.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I explained in the very post you quoted why I think it is a crock. The list is compiled by a self-proclaimed group with no credentials -- the "Responsible Dog Owners of the Western States" and they say there are two ways to get on the list: either by the breed being named or a description fitting the breed being banned. They are using their very broad and loose interpretation of the description fitting these breeds to put them on the list. The states are not putting all of these breeds on a banned list. This group is trying to over-generalize the description so that they can say all of the breeds are banned when they know full well the intent of the law was never to ban all of them!!

Saying the list has some sort of credence because it has been repeated on several dog forums is ridiculous. That does not make it so! Your next reason for the list being true is even more inane -- just because it is NOT mentioned on SNOPES, then it must be true??? Really???? I can think of millions of things that are NOT on SNOPES, does that make them true? NO!

You say that the list means the breeds listed are banned somewhere. I say that is NOT TRUE. By their own admission, they have included dog breeds that THEY believe meet a "description" listed somewhere of dogs that are banned. In other words, in trying to further define a pit bull, authorities have included descriptions and then this group has wildly exaggerated the description to include most of the breeds they listed on their list. You have to be very careful when you start believing everything written on an internet site is true! If they did the actual research to show all of these breeds were really banned, don't you think they would list the law/municipality/etc. to back up their accusations? They don't list them, because they have exaggerated this article so much, that it no longer has any resemblance to the real laws on the books.

I am guessing that you are using an analogy of the Jack Russell Terrier since I own one. But your analogy is not fitting the situation. There is a HUGE difference in a dog being annoying and a dog being a KILLER! My JRT's mouth will not open enough to be any real threat. As far as starting fights? What are you using to substantiate that accusation? I have not seen any JRTs that start fights, and have seen no statistics verifying that. For a dog lover to say to another dog lover that a breed they own are "annoying, barky, hyper spazzes" seems very insulting, disrespectful, immature, rude, and not very animal-loving at all. I am sure you are doing it intentionally so you can say, "now you know how pit bull owners feel" but I have NOT insulted the pit bulls or any other breed. I have made it quite clear I thought MAN was the problem. So, why would you do this to me? Truthfully, I find this beneath you.

I will reiterate that the main difference is that of fatalities! Those who do not want any bans or restrictions on pit bulls usually like to bring up another breed that has bitten ..... but it is not a simple dog bite that makes a dog a danger to humans! It is the fact that some can kill. That is my objection to continuing breeding programs for pit bulls. They kill people! There are verifiable statistics that are legally mandated to show when human lives are taken by dogs. These are not some made up crap from a group calling itself "Responsible Dog Owners of the Western States," these are government-kept statistics which have been put in the system by doctors who are legally responsible for doing so. We do not treat assassins/murderers the same way we treat someone who got into a high school fistfight, do we? Of course not! We MUST have laws that fit the situation. We cannot have the same penalty for a man who murders as we do that high school boy who punches his buddy. So, we cannot have the same penalty for a dog who KILLS PEOPLE as we do for one that occasionally bites someone.

Concerning the analogy of a black person.....you are right in that it does "sound dumb" but I will NOT further dignify such preposterous words with a reply! Same with the Hitler comparison. Using them to compare with the subject of spay & neutering for pit bulls is just a horrible racial insult! We are so far off track here......and that is usually what happens when there are no intelligent answers to a problem other than what the writer is against.

I am saddened that you have decided to personalize this debate. There are always going to be two sides to this topic. Each can feel strongly and relate their beliefs WITHOUT insulting one another, their dogs, or entire races! I think of you as too good of a friend to continue down this path. I know you are passionate about your stance as I am about mine. I think most who have seen the horrible disfiguring results of a pit bull attack on an innocent child feel as I do. But let's agree to disagree, state our beliefs maturely and leave the insults and disgusting, far-fetched comparisons behind.

As for the article, fine, let's dismiss it. My point was merely to say that by allowing govt. to ban one breed of dog is opening it's doors to ban MORE breeds of dogs. I stated I didn't know the credentials behind it and when I researched further, I found none. So you are probably right... it's far fetched and biased. I realize you can't believe everything on the internet -- I'm not saying everything you simply read is the truth or that just because it's not on Snopes it's NOT true or something... I think you took my post out of context. I was just trying to say that usually there's some other evidence against such an article being bogus and I could not find any online. Both sides are going to have far fetched statistics and biased facts... it's what happens in any kind of argument really. Both sides have valuable points.

I really don't see how the comparisons used were that far fetched from what is being used to say all Pit Bulls as a breed should cease to exist. I will reitirate that I did NOT write the analogy, I simply copied and pasted from somewhere else. I don't find it offensive and I'm sorry for those who do... it was not meant as a personal attack. It is not in my character to personally attack people. I am a very open minded and for the most part non judgmental person, and yes, I do have strong opinions on certain subjects. It was mainly posted to show how foolish it sounds to ban a breed of dog because of a FEW of them attacking/killing.

Actually, I didn't say JRT's because you have one. I honestly forgot that you even owned the breed. So it was definitely not a personal attack towards you. It's simply a breed I've *always* had bad experiences with and my dad owns one as well. She is the hardest dog we've ever had and it's their fault for not researching the breed enough, not hers, just like irresponsible people who buy Pits w/o researching... it's just in my experience with going to the dog park for the past 2.5yrs every week or more and dog events, dog sports, being a dogwalker, and just being involved in dog things in general, that I tend to not really like the breed. It's not the dogs themselves, I'm sure it's the bad breeding and the owners. It's just another breed that I don't see very well-bred JRT's and they have unstable temperaments. Just like Pitties... anytime any breed is overbred and bred irresponsibility, it happens. But it doesn't mean that I want the breed as a whole to die or that there are specific JRT's that I don't absolutely adore. There are two that come to some of our Yorkie meet ups who are awesome! I just don't see how me saying that I've had bad experiences with JRT's is any different than people in here saying they've had bad experiences with Pitties and don't like them? Everyone has breeds that they are not fond of.

I don't see how I personally insulted any race. I was using an analogy, that I wasn't the author to... and am far from a racist person. The analogy made sense to me, simple as that. It wasn't meant to offend and I had no idea it would... so sorry for that...

I think we can all agree that SOMETHING must be done and that Pitties are a very strong breed. I am super compassionate to the people who fall victims to such an attack, because I honestly can't imagine... I'm sure it would make me feel more strongly towards them but for now, I stand my ground. I just don't think it's any more fair to blame an entire breed for something a few of them have done just as I don't think it's fair to blame an entire race on something a few of them have done...

Sorry for any misconceptions or miscommunication I caused. Never meant to be a personal attack towards anyone in this thread and things always tend to spiral out of control or get too heated in threads such as these so I'll just skip out of them from now on and give an apology to those I offended. It was never my intention! I am not an ill-hearted person and I was simply trying to give the other side of the fence... that's all.

[Britster]

To get this thread back more on topic.... I was curious about peoples opinions on this:

The Problems with BSL - Brampton, Ontario Edition - KC DOG BLOG
A boxer and a boxer mix being mistaken for pit bulls and their owners being dragged through a court case to determine whether their dogs (who were not aggressive and had never hurt anyone) should be killed under the current ban.

I find it extremely sad and just another reason why BSL doesn't work... now those poor dogs are sitting on death row for no reason other than the way that they look.

[kalina82]

I highly doubt Britster meant to offend or insult anyone personally by what she has written. She has never been known to do so in any of her posts. I think some people are taking what she wrote way out of context.

I do have to say though that I do agree with her about JRTs. Most are very high strung and quick to act with out thinking. I've worked with them in shelters, hospitals, and grooming salons. I've also interacted with them in dog parks, on walks, and in friends and family's homes. Morgan has been attacked by a JRT twice at a dog park when she was younger. Two different dogs, months apart, two different parks. The dog entered the dog run and immediately went for her. Now when ever i see a JRT I immediately pick up morgan until the dog leaves or I have watched the dog interact with others well. More often then not, the owner of the JRT has to drag the dog out of the park by the request of the other dog owners because the dog is out of control.

I've also been bitten by a JRT and he almost took my bottom lip off. So believe me this JRT was able to open his mouth up enough to be a huge threat, even if its not as big as a pit bull.

My mother was attacked by a black Lab while she was out for a walk with a neighbor. They were just walking down the sidewalk when the lab burst out of his house and jumped my mom. Luckily she had a down jacket on so the dog bit never reached her skin. The jacket was torn off of her by the dog and while he ripped the jacket to shreds she and the neighbor were able to run away. The dogs owner never came out of the house.

With that in mind, I would never suggest any breed be banned. Its absurd. Dogs were domesticated by people and it is the responsibility of the people who own the dog to keep it that way.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by kalina82

I highly doubt Britster meant to offend or insult anyone personally by what she has written. She has never been known to do so in any of her posts. I think some people are taking what she wrote way out of context.

I do have to say though that I do agree with her about JRTs. Most are very high strung and quick to act with out thinking. I've worked with them in shelters, hospitals, and grooming salons. I've also interacted with them in dog parks, on walks, and in friends and family's homes. Morgan has been attacked by a JRT twice at a dog park when she was younger. Two different dogs, months apart, two different parks. The dog entered the dog run and immediately went for her. Now when ever i see a JRT I immediately pick up morgan until the dog leaves or I have watched the dog interact with others well. More often then not, the owner of the JRT has to drag the dog out of the park by the request of the other dog owners because the dog is out of control.

I've also been bitten by a JRT and he almost took my bottom lip off. So believe me this JRT was able to open his mouth up enough to be a huge threat, even if its not as big as a pit bull.

My mother was attacked by a black Lab while she was out for a walk with a neighbor. They were just walking down the sidewalk when the lab burst out of his house and jumped my mom. Luckily she had a down jacket on so the dog bit never reached her skin. The jacket was torn off of her by the dog and while he ripped the jacket to shreds she and the neighbor were able to run away. The dogs owner never came out of the house.

With that in mind, I would never suggest any breed be banned. Its absurd. Dogs were domesticated by people and it is the responsibility of the people who own the dog to keep it that way.

I agree Ive never seen Brit attack or go out of her way to insult everyone. I read what she wrote as an analogy. She said a couple of times she did not write it but copied it.

[FlDebra]

Brit and I are good -- we communicated by message and agreed that we have more in common than we do in difference of opinion. She is my friend and I do not expect my friends to agree with me on everything! What a boring world that would be. But she has to love my Jack Russell, Candy, who has never had a cross growl with anyone! In fact, the yorkies are way too mean to her! It is strange to hear anything negative about their demeanor as mine & the dam she comes from are the gentlest dogs ever. But there are exceptions to every rule. They are NOT known for being wicked, dangerous dogs though. Yorkies are probably one of the feistiest dogs around. I think it is a very good thing for the world that they are only so big! ROTFL!

I did freak out a bit with the racist comments (and yes, I know she only quoted someone else but I feel some things should not be given bandwidth!). But I know Brit's heart is in the right place. I do not think of her as one post or one thread -- she's a good-hearted person with many facets to her personality! Everyone can chill -- we are GOOD!

[Ringo1]

Aww. I love JRT's! My groomer back home had a really tiny one and it was one of the few dogs that Ringo looved to play with.

There was one tonight at the ER vet that had just had a seizure and she was just sleeping in her Mom's arms while I overheard the vet explaining epilepsy to the poor owner.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread; just seeing that little JRT tonight made me really sad. You could tell she was just spent and exhausted.

Brit, I don't agree with some of your analogies but I know you didn't mean to hurt anyone on purpose.

If only we could ban some of the humans that purchase those powerful breeds.