Here we go again, and again...

[candigirl]

Reading your past posts Britster i never got the impression that you're anything but a geniunely kind hearted person but i find that analogy ignorant, offensive, idiotic and just way out of line, similar to the way PETA uses the holocaust when referring to the slaughter of animals. Statements like that are just plain wrong and yes racist. Thank you for apologizing

[kjc]

The problem is there are now too many PitBulls, and many are in the hands of people who do not accept the fact that they can be lethal. The shelters here are overcrowded with them...many are rehabbed and adopted out. (slightly graphic)

YouTube - ‪Pitbull attacks owner 24 hours...

My Feelings on the subject: Something needs to be done. I don't care if it's the government or who or what. I don't care if they are all S/N and/or banned. Train the owners, retrain the dogs, whatever. I realize there are good dogs that may be affected, and I am very sorry about that. There are too many now, because they are a popular breed.

When a breed becomes popular, the incidences of attacks or bites do increase bc the numbers of that breed increase. This happened with Golden Retrievers, GSDs, Rotties, Dobies, etc. even Dalmations. Usually has to do with the winner of the major dog shows.

People get them, and breed them and sell them. The gene pool goes to crap and the dogs become genetically unstable. There are too many PitBulls now, and I'd rather see the good ones suffer a humane death than hear about people, children, and other pets, including PBs, getting chewed up, mangled, or dying from attacks from dogs that are mismanaged.

I don't think the breed should be done away with completely, but some kind of control needs to happen.

More news:

The PitBull who attacked the boy was assessed and found to be agressive was PTS.

An 79 year old lady was attacked, dragged from her porch and mauled. She has her jaw wired shut and will need to be fed through a feeding tube in her stomach for 3 months. The owner requested her 1 year old pup be PTS. Her kids let the dog out.
Pit bull attack "traumatizes" Greektown block - Baltimore Sun

Update: (and pic of the dog)
Elderly Woman Still Hospitalized After Pit Bull Attack CBS Baltimore

This happened in San Diego the following week: another elderly lady with life threatening injuries: (Not here but in California, I post this out of my respect for the elderly... I feel so bad for this poor woman) For those who don't watch videos... She's had two limbs amputated and they are considering amputating a third from damage sustained in an attack from 2 PBs.)
Pit bulls attack elderly woman in San Diego, injuries 'life-threatening' - latimes.com

Husband of Pit Bull Attack Victim Speaks | NBC San Diego

News Videos: (other videos from this site may be graphic)

YouTube - ‪Woman Loses Arm in Pit Bull...

This is 2 911 tapes (may be hard to listen to):

YouTube - ‪Woman killed by her pit...

PitBull attacks TV Reporter (no blood or contact):

YouTube - ‪Pit Bull Attacks...

PitBull attacks Police Car:

YouTube - ‪Dog [Pitbull] Attacks Police...

Warning:Graphic link (pics of victims after tx): Pitbull Attacks, Maulings, and Killings

There were two incidences here recently:

A teen was walking her PB on leash. Three boys acoss the street were walking their PB off leash. A fight ensued, one boy ran to get their Dad, who came out and got their dog under control. The girl had dropped her PBs leash, and the dog had the Dad and his kids and dog cornered. He told the girl to pick up the leash and get her dog under control three times, or he would shoot the dog. She could not/ would not comply, and the Dad shot her dog.

A man came out of his house into his yard, where he found his neighbor's PitBull. He went back into the house and came out with a gun. The dog was threatening him, so he shot and killed the dog.

Is this what I need to do: get a gun? (and trained to use it) to stay safe?

Also a man was found dead in his home with his PitBull. Cause of death: the man was mauled by his own dog.

[KizzieKins]

My sister has a big ol byb pit... he is the biggest baby I've ever seen.. I trusted him with my daughter as an infant, and my tiny Kizzie now.. It's not the dogs fault.. Just like many breeds, they can become aggressive if people don't socialize them and pay attention to them.. My sisters dog, and several of her friends who also have pits have never ever even nipped at a human.. Yet my pekingese who was properly socialized as a pup would snap at and bite people when she was irritated.. I've seen a LOT of chihuahuas who are vicious little dogs.. As a rule my daughter is not allowed to approach anyone with a chihuahua, I'm more worried about her getting bit by one of those than a Pit in my area..

Though in my area we do have some small state regulations, it costs $300 a year to register an unaltered bully breed, where as my puppy was only $75. I love the breed but I know I don't have the time an energy to take care of one as they require a LOT of exercise and clean up lol.. I would support holding dog owners responsible from the start, perhaps requiring good citizen training or something for large breed dogs(not just bully breeds but all the large breeds need extra training and love to be safe happy pets) to be registered (unregistered is not allowed in parks, public places, or the lake) I think this would kill two birds with one stone, get the dogs trained requires some amount of socialization and control so they are not likely to be a danger to anyone, but it would also help keep so many large breeds out of shelters as many of them are surrendered because they are unruly or out of control.

Also, in my area animal control goes after allegations of dog fighting seriously as well.. usually responding within hours of a claim that someone is fighting dogs.

Dog ownership is a big responsibility.. large breed dogs are a HUGE responsibility..

[aliciagee]

i dont blame the breed i balme the owner i had a pit bull and my 2 year old and him were the best of friends no matter how mean or rough she got with him he never bite her and he always protected her same thing with rotts and k9s i had them growing up and never did they hurt me or anyone! i blame the owners of how they dont take the time to train and soiclize the animals

[jaac]

Originally Posted by aliciagee

i dont blame the breed i balme the owner i had a pit bull and my 2 year old and him were the best of friends no matter how mean or rough she got with him he never bite her and he always protected her same thing with rotts and k9s i had them growing up and never did they hurt me or anyone! i blame the owners of how they dont take the time to train and soiclize the animals

Love that your post.

[jaac]

Originally Posted by kjc

The problem is there are now too many PitBulls, and many are in the hands of people who do not accept the fact that they can be lethal. The shelters here are overcrowded with them...many are rehabbed and adopted out. (slightly graphic) YouTube - ‪Pitbull attacks owner 24 hours after adoption‬‏

My Feelings on the subject: Something needs to be done. I don't care if it's the government or who or what. I don't care if they are all S/N and/or banned. Train the owners, retrain the dogs, whatever. I realize there are good dogs that may be affected, and I am very sorry about that. There are too many now, because they are a popular breed.

When a breed becomes popular, the incidences of attacks or bites do increase bc the numbers of that breed increase. This happened with Golden Retrievers, GSDs, Rotties, Dobies, etc. even Dalmations. Usually has to do with the winner of the major dog shows.

People get them, and breed them and sell them. The gene pool goes to crap and the dogs become genetically unstable. There are too many PitBulls now, and I'd rather see the good ones suffer a humane death than hear about people, children, and other pets, including PBs, getting chewed up, mangled, or dying from attacks from dogs that are mismanaged.

I don't think the breed should be done away with completely, but some kind of control needs to happen.

More news:

The PitBull who attacked the boy was assessed and found to be agressive was PTS.

An 79 year old lady was attacked, dragged from her porch and mauled. She has her jaw wired shut and will need to be fed through a feeding tube in her stomach for 3 months. The owner requested her 1 year old pup be PTS. Her kids let the dog out.
Pit bull attack "traumatizes" Greektown block - Baltimore Sun

Update: (and pic of the dog)
Elderly Woman Still Hospitalized After Pit Bull Attack CBS Baltimore

This happened in San Diego the following week: another elderly lady with life threatening injuries: (Not here but in California, I post this out of my respect for the elderly... I feel so bad for this poor woman) For those who don't watch videos... She's had two limbs amputated and they are considering amputating a third from damage sustained in an attack from 2 PBs.)
Pit bulls attack elderly woman in San Diego, injuries 'life-threatening' - latimes.com

Husband of Pit Bull Attack Victim Speaks | NBC San Diego

News Videos: (other videos from this site may be graphic)
YouTube - ‪Woman Loses Arm in Pit Bull Attack‬‏

This is 2 911 tapes (may be hard to listen to):
YouTube - ‪Woman killed by her pit bulls‬‏

PitBull attacks TV Reporter (no blood or contact):
YouTube - ‪Pit Bull Attacks Reporter‬‏

PitBull attacks Police Car:
YouTube - ‪Dog [Pitbull] Attacks Police Car Rips Off Bumper!!‬‏

Warning:Graphic link (pics of victims after tx): Pitbull Attacks, Maulings, and Killings

There were two incidences here recently:

A teen was walking her PB on leash. Three boys acoss the street were walking their PB off leash. A fight ensued, one boy ran to get their Dad, who came out and got their dog under control. The girl had dropped her PBs leash, and the dog had the Dad and his kids and dog cornered. He told the girl to pick up the leash and get her dog under control three times, or he would shoot the dog. She could not/ would not comply, and the Dad shot her dog.

A man came out of his house into his yard, where he found his neighbor's PitBull. He went back into the house and came out with a gun. The dog was threatening him, so he shot and killed the dog.

Is this what I need to do: get a gun? (and trained to use it) to stay safe?

Also a man was found dead in his home with his PitBull. Cause of death: the man was mauled by his own dog.

dont under this but if you google on attacks on any dogs
there will be a posting.

i blame the owner not the breed and always a leash law!!!!

[lady40jay]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

BTW -- Statistics are a crock! I know the sites FOR pit bulls hav eall sort of stats showing cocker spaniels are more dangerous! But there are plenty of stats on the other side too. I don't know how true to fact EITHER set of stats might be. But I do know lives are lost needlessly, children are maimed and disfigured needlessly all because some want to own a dog with a huge and powerful jaw. How many PSI's? Well I think every test is going to be different and every dog will be different with each circumstance. Does the dog really exert the same pressure on a bite measuring tool as they do on a child or adult for that matter?

You can get statistics to prove just about anything you want if you know how to selectively collect and collate them. I worked in statistics for quite a while. In fact, I am embarrased to say, I was known for being able to "work" the statistics. Never lying, mind you -- but you can bend a LOT! The things you need to remember are the photos of poor children that are marred forever, or the gravesites of those who won't draw another breath. You can't bend those facts! WHY would we want to continue breeding dangerous dogs when there are plenty of other breeds to choose from? What can be gained by breeding a pit bull that cannot be from another breed? Unfortunately it has become a macho thing to have a big, bad, dog with a big, bad reputation. Immature people are drawn to them -- people who do not care for their dogs or train them tobehave. It makes it horrible for those who truly love the breed for the good traits.

My nehew has rescued several and has enjoyed them. But even he will not take them out where his young nieces & nephews will be. He knows their potential for violence and he understands that realistically they ARE MORE DANGEROUS than Jack Russels, Labs, Cockers, etc.... He loves them & respects them but he also understands how truly dangerous they can be.

Yes, statistics can be skewed to prove anything you want to prove. There are so many breeds of dogs out there ... and any dog can bite, but pits are feared because they can kill ... I would do away with the breed completely, let the existing ones grow old and pass away. I don't believe for one instant that anyone who is a pit bull fan could not be just as happy with another breed.

Jeanette

[lady40jay]

Originally Posted by chachi

Aggressive pitbulls are because of bad owners that dont train or buy them to be viscious and bad breeding. Just watch pitbulls and parolees and pitboss on animal planet and if you have a negative view of pitbulls your mind will change

Have watched it ... didn't change my opinion. It's a TV show! They aren't going to show the failures. It's edited and set up to be just what they want it to be.

[Wylie's Mom]

I'm 100% against Breed Specific Legislation, and always have been.

Btw, "Pit Bull" is not a breed. The term 'pit bull' refers to 3 different breeds. So, when absorbing stats about 'pit bulls', keep in mind the stats are collecting info about 3 breeds.

When we allow discrimination against one breed, the door will be open to allow it against ALL breeds - and not just for biting, but for anything a collective may want to promote. A law against a breed sets a precedence for laws against all breeds.

It is the same principle that applies to humans. And for proof, just look around the world - for current and historical proof of unwarranted/misplaced discrimination.

[Woogie Man]

Behind every dog attack, there is an irresponsible owner. That is where the focus should be. Instead of labeling a dog 'vicious', why not label the owner 'stupid' and have them subject to criminal charges. Some dogs, due to their upbringing, can be as dangerous as a loaded gun and the owner should be held 100% liable, just as in the case of guns.

If you could somehow do away with Pitties, another breed would just take their place. There are many breeds with the capacity for major harm. The thugs and wannabes (which are the ones behind most of these dogs that attack) would just move on to another breed.

It's a people problem more than a dog problem.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Behind every dog attack, there is an irresponsible owner. That is where the focus should be. Instead of labeling a dog 'vicious', why not label the owner 'stupid' and have them subject to criminal charges. Some dogs, due to their upbringing, can be as dangerous as a loaded gun and the owner should be held 100% liable, just as in the case of guns.

If you could somehow do away with Pitties, another breed would just take their place. There are many breeds with the capacity for major harm. The thugs and wannabes (which are the ones behind most of these dogs that attack) would just move on to another breed.

It's a people problem more than a dog problem.

Great post .

[TresCutePiggies]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I'm 100% against Breed Specific Legislation, and always have been.

Btw, "Pit Bull" is not a breed. The term 'pit bull' refers to 3 different breeds. So, when absorbing stats about 'pit bulls', keep in mind the stats are collecting info about 3 breeds.

When we allow discrimination against one breed, the door will be open to allow it against ALL breeds - and not just for biting, but for anything a collective may want to promote. A law against a breed sets a precedence for laws against all breeds.

It is the same principle that applies to humans. And for proof, just look around the world - for current and historical proof of unwarranted/misplaced discrimination.

This. And all the other breeds that are constantly identified as pitties or pit mixes that aren't anything of the sort. Like my late 135 lb bullmastiff, who never bit anyone. He did slobber on me a lot though. Also, our family pet who ripped my face open as a toddler? A golden retriever!

[jaac]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Behind every dog attack, there is an irresponsible owner. That is where the focus should be. Instead of labeling a dog 'vicious', why not label the owner 'stupid' and have them subject to criminal charges. Some dogs, due to their upbringing, can be as dangerous as a loaded gun and the owner should be held 100% liable, just as in the case of guns.

If you could somehow do away with Pitties, another breed would just take their place. There are many breeds with the capacity for major harm. The thugs and wannabes (which are the ones behind most of these dogs that attack) would just move on to another breed.

It's a people problem more than a dog problem.

wonderful post well said

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by aliciagee

i dont blame the breed i balme the owner i had a pit bull and my 2 year old and him were the best of friends no matter how mean or rough she got with him he never bite her and he always protected her same thing with rotts and k9s i had them growing up and never did they hurt me or anyone! i blame the owners of how they dont take the time to train and soiclize the animals

It's never the breeds fault! I've seen aggressive yorkies, but it's not their fault! Their owners should have socialized and trained them! I used to not like pit bulls as well, but after taking care of one for my friend, I fell in love with the breed! There's also one that we see at the park. He is so handsome and acts like a baby, so gentle! He thinks he's a small dog and Carmel thinks he's a big dog...it's just too funny!

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Behind every dog attack, there is an irresponsible owner. That is where the focus should be. Instead of labeling a dog 'vicious', why not label the owner 'stupid' and have them subject to criminal charges. Some dogs, due to their upbringing, can be as dangerous as a loaded gun and the owner should be held 100% liable, just as in the case of guns.

If you could somehow do away with Pitties, another breed would just take their place. There are many breeds with the capacity for major harm. The thugs and wannabes (which are the ones behind most of these dogs that attack) would just move on to another breed.

It's a people problem more than a dog problem.

Great Post!! Can't agree with you more!

Originally Posted by Britster

I'm not sure where you are getting that it's a load of crock. I admit, I didn't do any deep searching but that list is on multiple dog forums. I'm going to go search now to find out more info. I could not find anything about it being "fake" on Google, and usually snopes would have something. I believe they are simply saying that this list of dog breeds are banned SOMEWHERE. An apartment complex in, say, California, may have Pugs banned, etc. Irregardless, it just proves how ridiculous BSL really is and you can't just naturally assume your breed is "safe". Ban one breed, you're allowing them to be able to ban any breed they want for any reason.

I posted this above but everyone that is for BSL seemed to pass by some of the facts I posted. In the ten years since the Dangerous Dogs Act banned the last 4 dogs in the UK (Fila, PB 'type', Dogo Argentino and Japanese Tosa) dog bites have increased by 50%. Clearly... something is NOT working.

We don't wipe out or ban the German's because Hitler was a terrible man.
So why is it any different for dogs? Thanks to BYBers and puppy millers, Golden Retrievers have been on the rise over the last decade or so for dog bites. However, subjecting them to BSL would be... idiotic, right? A knee jerk reaction to a HUGE problem that can not just be fixed by banning them.

I saw this posted somewhere else and totally agree:
Why don't you just go ahead and ban all black people? After all, black people are the cause of violent crime and it's well known that having a group of black people around means that sooner or later, someone is going to get killed, because that's what they do. Black people are vicious killers and are a menace to society.

See how dumb that sounds? Now just replace black person with pit bull.

I don't particularly like Jack Russel Terriers. Most of them I meet are annoying, barky, hyper spazzes who constantly start trouble and get into fights. That's my generalization of them from all the ones I've had experienced with (and lived with). I've only met one JRT that I liked. So because I've had bad experiences with them, I'm going to support that they all be banned? No... that would be silly.

Brit, I totally agree with you!!


I agree with Crystal, many people who own pit bulls shouldn't even own a fish! I think regulations/restrictions (such as requiring a good citizen test) should be put in place, but not a ban on the breed. It makes me sad how pit bulls are treated in the first place, not how they are treated in the aftermath. It's just plain sad!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by lady40jay

Yes, statistics can be skewed to prove anything you want to prove. There are so many breeds of dogs out there ... and any dog can bite, but pits are feared because they can kill ... I would do away with the breed completely, let the existing ones grow old and pass away. I don't believe for one instant that anyone who is a pit bull fan could not be just as happy with another breed.

Jeanette

your last sentence is like saying, "why do you want a yorkie? Wouldn't you be just as happy with a chihuahua or any other small dog breed?" I like yorkies, not chihuahuas. I know I wouldn't be happy with just any other breed of dog.

And to the following two posts.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I'm 100% against Breed Specific Legislation, and always have been.

Btw, "Pit Bull" is not a breed. The term 'pit bull' refers to 3 different breeds. So, when absorbing stats about 'pit bulls', keep in mind the stats are collecting info about 3 breeds.

When we allow discrimination against one breed, the door will be open to allow it against ALL breeds - and not just for biting, but for anything a collective may want to promote. A law against a breed sets a precedence for laws against all breeds.

It is the same principle that applies to humans. And for proof, just look around the world - for current and historical proof of unwarranted/misplaced discrimination.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Behind every dog attack, there is an irresponsible owner. That is where the focus should be. Instead of labeling a dog 'vicious', why not label the owner 'stupid' and have them subject to criminal charges. Some dogs, due to their upbringing, can be as dangerous as a loaded gun and the owner should be held 100% liable, just as in the case of guns.

If you could somehow do away with Pitties, another breed would just take their place. There are many breeds with the capacity for major harm. The thugs and wannabes (which are the ones behind most of these dogs that attack) would just move on to another breed.

It's a people problem more than a dog problem.