I think Remy came from a bad breeder:(

[LaurenPatrice]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Is Remy a healthy, sound pup or does he have health issues?

I confess I don't understand the whole "buy a breeder not a pup" attitude. I'm buying a pup. The pup is gonna live with me every day. The pup is the one I'm responsible for for the next 15+ years (hopefully).

I have a new pup, who came to me clean, healthy & sound and received a clean bill of health from my vet. That makes me a happy new pup owner.

As long as I'm buying a puppy from someone's pet, and not a pet store or puppymill, what is the issue? What am I missing???

Yes, Remy is very healthy. Congrats on your new pup . The "buy a breeder not a puppy" means you have to find a good breeder before you buy a puppy. I got lucky that Remy is healthy because many breeders like the one I listed have puppies that have live shunt, LP, and many other problems. Also, when I contacted Remy's breeder to see why he was having urinating problems, she could careless. A good breeder would have cared and discussed why this was happening with me. This shows me that if Remy ever had a serious genetic health problem she would probably never answer the phone. Why? Because she got her money and could careless about the puppy and she definitely wouldn't want to be held responsible for genetic issues.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Is Remy a healthy, sound pup or does he have health issues?

I confess I don't understand the whole "buy a breeder not a pup" attitude. I'm buying a pup. The pup is gonna live with me every day. The pup is the one I'm responsible for for the next 15+ years (hopefully).

I have a new pup, who came to me clean, healthy & sound and received a clean bill of health from my vet. That makes me a happy new pup owner.

As long as I'm buying a puppy from someone's pet, and not a pet store or puppymill, what is the issue? What am I missing???

The issue is that you do not want to support a breeder who breeds for the wrong reasons. These kinds of breeders do not breed for the betterment of the breed but for the $$$$ & they do not test their breeding dogs for any kind of health or genetic issues & very often pass along horrible genetic issues in their pups to the buyer. Then later in the dogs life it is the buyer & their loved pet that pays the price for such breeding. I purchased a pup from what I was told was a reputable breeder & most people in the valley where I live that own yorkies also bought from this lady. Six yrs after I got my baby she started having some strange issues, turns out she had Chiari. I personally know others with dogs from this breeder who also have Chiari. This is why you do not want to support such breeders.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by lillymae

What kind of a breeder would sell their Champions to a breeder like this ? I'm betting NOT a Reputable one, So Sad. Well I'm glad you are Happy with your baby & that Remy is a healthy baby, you got lucky. I'm with you though as I don't believe I would recommend this breeder to anyone else.
Be happy that you dodged a bullet & enjoy your baby

Absolutely right, not a reputable one who often unfortunately, won the trust of reputable breeders first so sometimes you see some very good lines behind those dogs.

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

I confess I don't understand the whole "buy a breeder not a pup" attitude. I'm buying a pup. The pup is gonna live with me every day. The pup is the one I'm responsible for for the next 15+ years (hopefully). What am I missing???

You got the philosophy a little bit wrong. The advice isn't "buy a breeder not a pup," it is "buy your breeder FIRST, then buy your pup."

[shodanusmc]

I did, and we smile everytime we look at Basil! We are so glad we found YT for the education, and finding the absolute best of the best breeder and support group if we need advice. To me, you can't put a price on that. Sure, somethings can go wrong, but at least I know we did everything we could to lower the odds, and knowing that our breeder will be there for us. Also, nice talking to other show breeders that speak so highly and show so much respect. Sometimes it is just best to wait rather than do the impulsive buy. Anyway, that is my advice. But the breeder first, them the pup.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

You got the philosophy a little bit wrong. The advice isn't "buy a breeder not a pup," it is "buy your breeder FIRST, then buy your pup."

That makes more sense

[jennzy]

awwe! i'm glad the puppy phased its peeing on himself phase out of it.
my breeder has a lot of dogs but she also has 2 full time help because she shows dogs & also owns a doggy daycare business a well. but if she is doing it out of her own house, i doubt she has help and it sounds very off.

like the above member stated the word teacup is not a good sign.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

That makes more sense

Good check out the link I posted earlier about reputable breeders. One other addendum; all even very very reputable good breeders, can have a pup with problems. What is important in a good breeder is How They Respond to that situation. Their support of you and the puppy/young adult first.
Some genetic conditions do NOT manifest until after a couple of years old, and even 5 years old in some cases.

It is one reason I think while at a bare minimum, a one year health warranty is disingenuous for this breed, and for many others.

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by lillymae

She also advertises a Health Guarantee but does NOT show the guarantee on the site. It has been my experience that a Reputable & Good breeder WILL put the health guarantee on site for you to view.

This was going to be my point. What IS the guarantee? If your baby is healthy, count yourself lucky and start researching breeders. Just the "volume" she does (did you see how many bitches she has??) will tell you that she is in it for the money and when that is the motivation it means what matters most is the bottom line, meaning she may be taking short cuts - cheap food, fewer vet visits etc, that will compromise the life of the puppies.

[LaurenPatrice]

Duplicate post. Sorry.

[LaurenPatrice]

Originally Posted by TexasKat08

This was going to be my point. What IS the guarantee? If your baby is healthy, count yourself lucky and start researching breeders. Just the "volume" she does (did you see how many bitches she has??) will tell you that she is in it for the money and when that is the motivation it means what matters most is the bottom line, meaning she may be taking short cuts - cheap food, fewer vet visits etc, that will compromise the life of the puppies.

It's one year. She also said she would Stand behind any puppy with genetic issues. She said she has never had one of hers have liver shunt or any thing of that sort. She also said she does genetic testing. Yes, she does produce a high volume of puppies. She feeds purina pro-plan. She is considered better than a lot of other places around here. Believe me, there is MUCH worse. So that's why I went with her plus it seemed okay at the time. I know better now.

[concretegurl]

Strange...You emailed an update and didn't get a response...perhaps you should email about interest in a pup from a different email address...she may respond within 30 minutes...
Superficially who knows good bad either-I'd not the word teacup is used...and there's tons of glamor shots (thankfully no soda can pics) but none of the facility, the pups with mom, or pups being pups dogs being dogs-I no likey-but that's my prerogative.

It happens and I know how you feel-it stinks-but we love our babies! Not only research asking Q's but verifying people

Elvis came from a bad breeder same deal asked all the questions she gave all the right answers, she asked me apparently I did too...

Elvis arrived:
bad teeth
worms-whip worms he had all 3 stages present in his within 48hr vet health check
tons of flea poop on him,
he's arthritic-needs supplements his joint all pop @ 2 yrs! Not breeding quality!
his AKC papers never arrived-she refused to send the limited registration even!
his full veterinary records never arrive as promised (he was 2 yrs) when adopted
he was wearing a tight collar in the kennel! It was well worn-collar and his neck!
he wasn't microchipped
had x & o dyed kibble in the bowl not Eukanuba
Well I let it all go right she had tons of excuses and was going to get it all to me and back to me! I should have freaked then but how could I send him back to that?

A couple months after he had three seizures in a day-trip to the ER and numerous calls to the breeder-she blamed them on me immediately and then said the worms were from me too, she'd had enough from me! Then offered me a replacement puppy!

She said she was re-homing him because he was almost 10 pounds-too large to breed with her 5-6pound females...I thought that was responsible and adopted him...then after the replacement pup comments she says, "oh no my female just had two babies...I bred them before I put him up for adoption." WHAT!? She was such a LIAR

Oh it went on from there...she later ended all contact after a big mess offering me another pup and sending me pics of pup and moms in cages! I felt sick! She refused to let the vet release his records...I think she knew he was epileptic and she lied about all her breeding practices...literally everyone of her females was pregnant or just delivered within three months of my getting Elvis she told me she only has two litters a year-not 7-12 and she still lists MY Elvis as a stud on her web site saying he is the father of current pups she sells!
[BI doubt she warned the buyers of his pups they may be epileptic having cluster seizures like Elvis does!
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Elvis had the neurology consult-I wasn't getting another pup from her, wasn't sending him back, never asked for vet money coverage, nothing we ceased contact I just wanted to let her know how he was-she didn't even care to know-she had told me prior he was her favorite but she just had too many to give individual attention and since he was too large for her breeding program she needed to ensure he went to a good home and each dog got the attention they needed-WELL HE DID GO TO A GOOD HOME FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE!

Don't get a pup here either-notice MY Elvis still listed Elaina Shelborne is a Greeder LIAR! She's just very good at deception-I listed her FB too as she often uses that to sell pups when she doesn't use her site, puppyfinder and those at dog shows-she doesn't show she just claims to.

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[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by LaurenPatrice

I will check it out! Thank you . I didn't realize she didn't champion her males until after I got Remy. She was very proud of the champions but I realize now she purchased them after they were already champions.

If she didn't champion her own males does that make Remy any less quality?
Just wondering.

[LaurenPatrice]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

If she didn't champion her own males does that make Remy any less quality?
Just wondering.

No, I don't think so. Remy's dad wasn't one of her champion males. He has a few champions in his line though. It just means she doesn't show yorkies. She purchased these males just to have good blood lines so she can charge more money. It's all about the money and not the love of the breed or to better the breed.

[LaurenPatrice]

Concretegurl- I'm sorry Elvis had so many problems. I'm glad to hear he has a good home now . Remy came to me clean and healthy. I do believe the breeder takes good care of her puppies. She just has a LOT of puppies a year and a lot of breeding females(I think 12). I also have Remy's limited AKC papers and all other records.