I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

These statements would be enough to tell me to stay away from her. Respectable breeders do not cross-breed "to make a morkie." But the sentence that really made me cringe with revulsion was her response to your question about micro-chipping, saying if your dog gets lost, she doesn't want it coming back to her. What kind of caring breeder would ever say anything like that? No caring kind!! Respectable breeders include a requirement in their contracts that if rehoming is ever required, the dog comes back to them directly. They WANT the dog returned so that they can insure whatever home it winds up in, is one screened, approved and well suited for yorkie ownership. No one who truly cares about her dogs would EVER make a statement like that. It tells me she doesn't care about the dogs at all, only the money they can bring.

As far as microchipping being required:
This is from the AKC site: "The AKC Board approved a requirement, effective Jan. 1, 1997, that imported dogs be permanently identified by AKC-approved methods prior to registration. It also approved a policy regarding permanent identification for OFA and CERF-tested dogs. The AKC will continue to publish all OFA and CERF numbers in the AKC Gazette until Jan. 1, 1997. After that time, only the OFA and CERF numbers of dogs positively and permanently identified at the time of testing will be published. Effective July 1, 1996, OFA and CERF transfers to the AKC registration database will occur only for dogs with positive and permanent identification at the time of testing.

Although everyone is not required legally to microchip, many top breeders/show breeders will have their dogs OFA tested and CERF-tested. In those cases, they will have to have the dogs permanently identified by AKC-approved methods before they are registered. The site further defines AKC-approved permanent identification as (microchip or tattoo). This may be part of the difference of opinion in this thread. Because of special testing and circumstances some breeders do come under a mandatory microchip or tattoo ruling. The AKC certainly recommends permanent identification on ALL dogs. They are making it increasingly more economical and easier on the dogs themselves. This site contains some valuable info: AKC CAR - Companion Animal Recovery I think it would be a good idea to get ahead of the curve as I forsee mandatory permanent identification for ALL AKC registered dogs in the future. Just a hunch, but I think a pretty good bet.

Thank you!!!

THAT was the information i was requesting from Mardlin

[Mardelin]

It was very evident from this thread that this was about breeding dogs, not pets. Therefore, my responses/answers/information was based on AKC breeding dog requirements. I do not give out information on this board that I'm not absolutely not sure about. I don't provide information in a quest to show someone up or prove them wrong. My whole purpose for being on this board is to educate. I'm sorry you were unable to grasp the information in the way I provided to you, next time I'll present a bit more precise and elementary.

Tammy it's amazing how you can turn a postive statment on addressing how some view country politeness as backwardness into something negative that was not even addressed to you.

As human beings are all equal, however, some have more knowledge of some matters than others.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It was very evident from this thread that this was about breeding dogs, not pets. Therefore, my responses/answers/information was based on AKC breeding dog requirements. I do not give out information on this board that I'm not absolutely not sure about. I don't provide information in a quest to show someone up or prove them wrong. My whole purpose for being on this board is to educate. I'm sorry you were unable to grasp the information in the way I provided to you, next time I'll present a bit more precise and elementary.

Tammy it's amazing how you can turn a postive statment on addressing how some view country politeness as backwardness into something negative that was not even addressed to you.

As human beings are all equal, however, some have more knowledge of some matters than others.

correct it was about breeding and i appologize for requesting more info.

the country backwardness statement was not a positive statement , whether directed at me or not..i also stated that was not sure if it was directed at me or not..

do not belittle me with by stating i wasnt able to grasp your info..you did NOT answer the question nor lead me to the information...MISS DEBRA did post the info that i originally requested from you.

you talk about manners and Social Civility but you belittle and demean all the time on here..instead of focusing on the question that someone asked of you and your knowledge..you were rude and acted appalled when you thought i was talking about u and me in a quote, and appalled by my Hey that i should address you with more respect..


correct we are all human..regardless of the knowledge acquired...it doesnt make one better then another.

I had more i would like to add buts it a mute point..

good luck to the op..i hope she finds the pet pup she is looking for, i hope she is able to get one from a breeder she likes and treats her well. i know i try to be very good to the people that purchase dogs from me.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

you talk about manners and Social Civility but you belittle and demean all the time on here..

Totally untrue! I have never known Mary belittle or demean anyone during the time I have been on this forum.
I have learned a lot from Mary's posts, as I am sure many others have.

[Rhetts_mama]

Maybe it's time this thread was closed. It's gotten far off the track of answering the OP's questions.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

Yes i breed..i have AKC male, a AKC female, a CKC female and a Yorkiepom and yes i have bred the cross...i NEVER have enough of them...a lady that bought one before just bought 2..she loves the "breed". they are spoiled babies in her home.
the other two keep in touch with me regularity and are VERY happy ..they have always been sold before conceived.
the litter before...my first litter..only one stayed in touch..her baby is beautiful..cant tell she is mixed.

they sell faster then the yorkies...with almost the same price...i am not against most cross breedings, apparently..=)

Tammy, why are you crossbreeding! Apparently it is all about the money by this statement. Please Breed Responsibly, learn from the good breeders. Its not just about putting two dogs together. It takes years of research. Breed for the Betterment of the Breed not your wallet. I am not trying to be harsh just trying to get through to you! Please Stop....Lissette

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

Totally untrue! I have never known Mary belittle or demean anyone during the time I have been on this forum.
I have learned a lot from Mary's posts, as I am sure many others have.

Many people do and will continue to. Mary is educated, her heart is also in the right place. Many times I wonder how she is able to help some people. That post is inflammatory. Mary, be proud.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

correct it was about breeding and i appologize for requesting more info.

the country backwardness statement was not a positive statement , whether directed at me or not..i also stated that was not sure if it was directed at me or not..

do not belittle me with by stating i wasnt able to grasp your info..you did NOT answer the question nor lead me to the information...MISS DEBRA did post the info that i originally requested from you.

you talk about manners and Social Civility but you belittle and demean all the time on here..instead of focusing on the question that someone asked of you and your knowledge..you were rude and acted appalled when you thought i was talking about u and me in a quote, and appalled by my Hey that i should address you with more respect..


correct we are all human..regardless of the knowledge acquired...it doesnt make one better then another.

I had more i would like to add buts it a mute point..

good luck to the op..i hope she finds the pet pup she is looking for, i hope she is able to get one from a breeder she likes and treats her well. i know i try to be very good to the people that purchase dogs from me.

I did not belittle or demean you, I requested that you not to address me by hey. Simple as that. Had you requested that of me I would have obliged.

However, your inability to accept my explanation for the misunderstanding only proves what your intention is/was.

Yes, we are all born equal, but based on your past posts, questions you've asked and your breeding program you have a bit more to learn.

[Elle]

She could be a broker too. That would be a good profile of the way some do business.

Originally Posted by Nasdaq_Diva

Thanks! I just didn't want responses like, "yes this was a dumb question - OF COURSE she's a breeder"

I just wasn't in the mood for the possibility of a smart @ss remark.

But yeah, I kinda got that vibe but I felt like I should ask the pros just in case.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Elle

Many people do and will continue to. Mary is educated, her heart is also in the right place. Many times I wonder how she is able to help some people. That post is inflammatory. Mary, be proud.

Way off subject....will you be in Vegas?

[Poshible]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Being away from the south for a couple of years I'd forgotten the Miss Debra & Mrs. Debra. There were a couple of children that lived across the street from us. I watched them grow, both are out of college now and Face Book friends. They still address me as Miss Mary or Mrs. L. Gosh I miss the southern proprity and hospitality. So, many say that the South is a bit backward in their way of life and thinking. I think their backwardness is something the rest of the country can learn from.

Originally Posted by tammy8833

country backwardness?? i cant say thats directed from my Hey or not..but if someone believe that, some people need to look at themselves and see who needs to grow and learn. Judging someone based on a word of greeting that is generally done with a smile of friendliness down to nothing is rude, close minded, judgmental and snotty

That was seriously not meant to be an insult. Reread that. You may view her as an equal, but most of us view her as a superior. Knowledge is a weapon, is it not? She has standards (and has set standards) that you clearly do not have seeming how you are cross breeding the beloved YT breed. If you would take 5 minutes and research Mardelin's name you would see where we all are coming from defending her and admiring her. If you want respect-show it to others. In turn they will treat you with respect back.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i can NOT believe how incredibly wrong i AM for saying HEY..get over it! it was a greeting and i do not welcome the correction and learn from my mistake i do not view it as a mistake.
she may be a mentor to some..but i viewed her as an equal to everyone on this site..i do not know her personally ..i should address her as authority??? sorry i dont see her that way or ANYONE on this site..the ADMIN have AUTHORITY on this site.


shes a person nothing less nothing more..she may have tons of knowledge and its great to be able to ask question of someone with knowledge and get educated responses but when all that person can do is demean the post and NOT answer the question i question HER manners.

I can only assume you are directing this post to me. I tried to respectfully explain to you why all might not appreciate being referred to as "hey." Now you come back and tell me to "get over it?" I don't appreciate that at all! You are the one being rude on this thread.

And as far as Mary just being another person, that is not really true. Yes, we are all equal as people, but she is a recognized expert in the world of Yorkshire Terriers. She has EARNED our respect and I don't understand why you seem to be on a crusade against her. She has not demeaned you in any way. She tried to provide information and you seem to want to squabble at every turn.

Originally Posted by tammy8833

country backwardness?? i cant say thats directed from my Hey or not..but if someone believe that, some people need to look at themselves and see who needs to grow and learn. Judging someone based on a word of greeting that is generally done with a smile of friendliness down to nothing is rude, close minded, judgmental and snotty

Now you are just twisting her words into saying something she did not say at all. Her quote was: "So, many say that the South is a bit backward in their way of life and thinking. I think their backwardness is something the rest of the country can learn from. " She is saying that others may think the south backward, but SHE thinks the rest of the country can learn from them! You can't twist her words into something you want to argue when she did not say anything snotty or rude about the south!

Originally Posted by tammy8833

Yes i breed..i have AKC male, a AKC female, a CKC female and a Yorkiepom and yes i have bred the cross...i NEVER have enough of them...a lady that bought one before just bought 2..she loves the "breed". they are spoiled babies in her home.
the other two keep in touch with me regularity and are VERY happy ..they have always been sold before conceived.
the litter before...my first litter..only one stayed in touch..her baby is beautiful..cant tell she is mixed.

they sell faster then the yorkies...with almost the same price...i am not against most cross breedings, apparently..=)

I think this last post has more to do with the dissension you are causing in this thread than anything. I think because you know many of us are against cross breeding and using sub-standard registeries, you are on the defensive and want to argue everything to somehow diminish our opinions on your cross-breeding habits. That isn't going to work either. There are some very specific things that gain a breeder respect not only on this forum, but in the breeding and show world of Yorkshire terriers. Cross breeding is not one of them. Your justification that people are buying them to make it somehow right is invalid reasoning. Think of this -- people stand in line to buy drugs, food with poor nutritional value, guns, smut, even other people for heaven's sake -- that surely does not make it right just because there are people willing to pay money for it, does it? I am not equating your cross-breeds to these other things, but I am saying that you cannot justify what you do by saying people are willing to pay for it. They will pay for just about anything. That will never make it right.

Now -- if you want to set all this aside and start over -- I think it would be a good idea. I am not going to be rude to you just because I do not agree with your breeding practices. We are fine to disagree on that. But if you continue to disrespect valued members of the forum, that is not going to get you any mutual respect at all. Do you understand that? I think you are continuing to hold a grudge aganist those who do not agree with cross-breeding and are not "hearing" what they say in the light it is intended. So, open mind, respect all around, and we will all have a better day.

[hwolf6330]

I love this site and I get alot of useful information on here. Sadly, I think I will stay a lurker instead of posting in fear that I won't use proper dialog. I am saddened to see people who are gathered together on one site for the love of their furbabies can get into it over one silly little word.

[Poshible]

Originally Posted by hwolf6330

I love this site and I get alot of useful information on here. Sadly, I think I will stay a lurker instead of posting in fear that I won't use proper dialog. I am saddened to see people who are gathered together on one site for the love of their furbabies can get into it over one silly little word.

It was not over "Hey" it was over her trying to prove a point against an expert and being way off base with it.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by hwolf6330

I love this site and I get alot of useful information on here. Sadly, I think I will stay a lurker instead of posting in fear that I won't use proper dialog. I am saddened to see people who are gathered together on one site for the love of their furbabies can get into it over one silly little word.

It seems like that, but that word is but a small part of the undercurrent that is really being churned here. The big picture is really about respect and disagreement over breeding practices. The "hey" really is nothing more than something to feed horses.

Add On -- Poshible -- I think we are on the same wavelength. I didn't have your post up there when I started my reply, yet we said the same thing.