Feeling A Little Guilty.

[love1yorkie]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

The yelper said her puppy may have a liver shunt. that's healthy??

there is NO MIGHT.....It might rain..it might this or that.......she feels or worries. C'mon either it does or it doesn't....There is this thing called a contract and a requirement that a VET certify any problem a dog has.......IT might be silver or it might be blue is the only guess that dog had. To this day, this attacking lady walks right in the shop and gloats over her beautiful dog. She just wanted money and to feel good about SAVING a dog. She should have come to one of our rescue adoption b ut she didn't she wanted a free puppy. So back to USDA....did you know that if you sell even one puppy you must be inspected and lic by the USDA. So.every one of you who sell even one of your puppies without a lic. is doing so in a "SHADY" way. I personally have 6 breeding yorkie females , 2 brussle griffons females and 6 studs I share ownership with. Between my grandma, mom,sisters and aunties we hold 60 AKC blue ribbons and have the most precious Boutique kennel in California. We only sell our own dogs in the light of day and we pay taxes unlike all the backyard breeders in the nation. We best choose each dog for conformation and beauty. We unlike other breeders are proud and do everything we do in the light of day. In our community we get at least 10 dogs a yr dumped on our home because everyone knows that we are the BIG hearts and won't deny any dog love, shelter, medicine or spay and neuter and then re-home them at great losses. We get invited to the best events and have friends the world over.....Elise the lead in the S.F ballet the Nutcracker took the other "spastic pup". I had nothing to do with their life until i saved them and gave them the best care money can buy. I then re-homed them to the nicest most gracious folks. All I can say is I love and I am very proud of our station and hobby. But remember this... this pop culture use and overuse of the bad words people pin on each other should stop. There are many different recipes in life and not everyone is going to fit in your square peg. In all the years we have been involved in dogs I will tell you this...no good deed goes unpunished and It is the GOOD deals and the FREE dogs you gift to people that always come back to smack you in the face. FREE is ugly..people get trampled. My finer customers are much more refiner and reasonable.....just a matter of class I guess.

[EmGo11]

Originally Posted by love1yorkie

I tried but the vultures jumped in.Our kennel absorbed and rescued the largest ever Animal cruelty/animal hoarding case ever in Palo Alto this year..google it. We rescued 50 dogs and cats and re-homed every one of them at our own cost. Palo Alto reached out to us (because an officer met us at an event and I am the only USDA kennel certified to testify in abuse cases about the space requirement for animals) Every animal was to be Euthanize d and our family went above and beyond the call to PAY for the care and boarding of the animals until we could get them well. So MAY 27th we leased another private kennel and transported 27 Yorkie/maybe yorkie mixxes and 23 persian cats riddled with mange and ringworm. We spent $14,780.00 of our own money treating bad teeth, bleeding mouths, open sores and two pregnant yorkies(guess where Louie came from) My beautiful 19 yr.old daughter Alex slept overnight the first two weeks at the kennel with two of my other nieces and my sister's Stephanie and Golda watching over these babies with the help of Turlock veterinary and Sonora veterinary (who donated discounted vet care )(GOD BLESS them) My beautiful daughter gave herself blood poisoning accidentally because she must have inhaled some of the ringworm while trying to shave and dip 50 animals with volunteers. She was sick for 2 weeks from giving 24 hr care to these poor babies that had never been out of a cage. back to LOUIE~ he was the only survivor in one of the litters born to the rescue dog. When the "FEELING Guilty quoted the dog had no records ..she is sadly mistaken or just heard something she wanted too(again the martyr)because there has never been a more miracle puppy born into a better situation. Louie had more documentation than any dog I know........I just said quote -unquote that he did not have "papers" meaning AKC and that I cannot certify his long term health because he is a rescue puppy. Which is true. All the rescues now have been spayed and neutered and re-homed at a great loss but huge satisfaction to all the people involved. We held a massive rescue event and many people were on the list were surprised to get stacks of vet records with every dog. I personally help Louie back and molly coddled him because he was so small and special. It would have been a feeding frenzy and no adult yorkies would have gotten adopted if Louie had been at the adoption event. So, when I saw the sweet couple a week or two later in OCTOBER(that makes Louis about 11 weeks old) I thought to myself... this looks like a very nice home for hhim. They were not even looking for a dog but looked very well to do. I jokingly approached them and they did not even seem serious. Gosh, was i more wrong. They came back too late because Louie was gone to one of my older customers who was standing close by when I showed him to the couple. As soon as they left Marge jumped on me (as i knew most people would) and begged for him. Honestly, I have thousands into these dogs that I will never re-coup but I also threw in about a hundred dollars worth of Innova food and some very expensive clothing and a carrier...I feel very proud of our serious commitment to our animals but to call me a pet store when I'm not is ridiculous and rude and just Sinister. ya know, sometimes when i work at my sisters flower nursery i take a playpen of puppies to her store...does that make her a pet store? Sometimes when I work at my dad's Ford tractor repair shop, I take the playpen of puppies and let customers pet them and hand out card too...does that make it a pet shop? hm maybe. I've never bought, sold or shipped a dog in my life. But it is my recipe how I show and exhibit and socialize my dogs and I am a tax paying citizen and I take better care of my animals and they live better than 99% of the humans walking this earth.

I think you have the wrong person. I do not remember the puppy's name so when TimeTells came in saying "Louie" I just assumed she was talking about the same pup I mentioned.

Many problems to your statement: First, it was not October, it was SEPTEMBER I remember specifically because we just got back from the Bark in the Park event. I believe I event posted this right after the event so you can go back and check the date of the original post. 2nd, we did not leave and come back, we stayed next to the pen the whole entire time we were deciding. 3rd, as I clearly stated in the original post, it was not just my boyfriend and myself. There were FOUR of us and you keep referring to me as "that couple". 4th, I was told by Kelly (I'm assuming that's your name because it was the mother not the daughter who said this) that the puppy we were interested in was from her own favorite male yorkie and that he and his father had the same "spastic" nature about them. You keep saying this Louie was a rescue so if that is true, I am not who you're assuming I am.

The main reason we walked away from the puppy (who I am sure is not this Louie you are talking about) was because it just didn't add up. You threw out the fact that the male puppy would not be good for breeding (we were not interested in breeding him) because the spastic thing was genetic since HIS father had it also. If he wasn't good for breeding for the "spastic condition" alone, why then, did you breed his father who you said also has the same condition?

[EmGo11]

ALSO, you said we came back and then said we wanted him and were disappointed when you had already sold him. We never left and came back (as I mentioned earlier) so it's impossible that we came back disappointed that you already sold him.

Like I said, you're talking about the wrong person.

[EmGo11]

I stand corrected, I just check the original post date and I did post in October but I am certain we are not talking about the same puppy. The puppy we were interested in was not a rescued dog. You told us specifically that he was bred from one of your own male yorkies.

[love1yorkie]

You are wrong and DO stand corrected on the date and No one leaves without shots/papers/contract and support. I hope you have had your fun.

[EmGo11]

love1yorkie, I know how to admit when I am wrong (and I was wrong only in the date). I see that no matter how much I try reason with you, you won't budge in your inaccurate assumption. I am sure you and I are both tired from this pointless quarrel so as I said before, let's end this here. I wish you the very best with all your rescue efforts and with your kennel.

[love1yorkie]

If I were the one making assumptions... you would be the one that we'd be talking about. Spreading hatred all over the internet. It's called a viral attack. I counted at least 5 differences in your story..he not she, dates ect ect..I know exactly who you are and the couple you were with and you brother in law did come back and act like he was all upset because you talked him out of the pup. Also, what gives anyone the right to criticize a perfectly fine crazy little healthy hyper "BEAUTIFUL in your own words PUP" that belonged to ME. YES, MY property to decide who i wanted to SELL or give it to. What makes you think i would have even let you have him. I was showing dogs and enjoying people. I remember shuttling you all off and telling you to enjoy shopping and to think about it. Bottom line is it is MY business not yours. You were just mad because you had obvious remorse that you lost a great opportunity. BTW....he checked out perfecto and the only crime associated with Louie is that he now gets Cross dressed and is made to wear girlie clothes and bows in his hair.

Now, lets put you on the chopping block and talk all mean about anything you do? How about talk about your kids and give your contact info?? lets do that. You should feel a lot guilty.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by love1yorkie

there is NO MIGHT.....It might rain..it might this or that.......she feels or worries. C'mon either it does or it doesn't....There is this thing called a contract and a requirement that a VET certify any problem a dog has.......IT might be silver or it might be blue is the only guess that dog had. To this day, this attacking lady walks right in the shop and gloats over her beautiful dog. She just wanted money and to feel good about SAVING a dog. She should have come to one of our rescue adoption b ut she didn't she wanted a free puppy. So back to USDA....did you know that if you sell even one puppy you must be inspected and lic by the USDA. So.every one of you who sell even one of your puppies without a lic. is doing so in a "SHADY" way. I personally have 6 breeding yorkie females , 2 brussle griffons females and 6 studs I share ownership with. Between my grandma, mom,sisters and aunties we hold 60 AKC blue ribbons and have the most precious Boutique kennel in California. We only sell our own dogs in the light of day and we pay taxes unlike all the backyard breeders in the nation. We best choose each dog for conformation and beauty. We unlike other breeders are proud and do everything we do in the light of day. In our community we get at least 10 dogs a yr dumped on our home because everyone knows that we are the BIG hearts and won't deny any dog love, shelter, medicine or spay and neuter and then re-home them at great losses. We get invited to the best events and have friends the world over.....Elise the lead in the S.F ballet the Nutcracker took the other "spastic pup". I had nothing to do with their life until i saved them and gave them the best care money can buy. I then re-homed them to the nicest most gracious folks. All I can say is I love and I am very proud of our station and hobby. But remember this... this pop culture use and overuse of the bad words people pin on each other should stop. There are many different recipes in life and not everyone is going to fit in your square peg. In all the years we have been involved in dogs I will tell you this...no good deed goes unpunished and It is the GOOD deals and the FREE dogs you gift to people that always come back to smack you in the face. FREE is ugly..people get trampled. My finer customers are much more refiner and reasonable.....just a matter of class I guess.

You are writing in a most unprofessional manner, especially for someone who is dealing with the public and trying to address a negative review. If you really deny what this potential customer wrote describing her experience with you (go back to first post) then write calmly, rationally, and truthfully with details about the exact situations she outlines in her post. Save all of your bragging about being the best at everything and give facts and details.

You are also putting out erroneous information! You wrote: "So back to USDA....did you know that if you sell even one puppy you must be inspected and lic by the USDA." This may be true for you, but this is not true for breeders unless they are running a wholesale business, brokering for someone else, or selling to pet shops/dealers/research, etc. If a breeder has 3 or less breeding females, she is exempt completely from USDA licensing or inspections. If a breeder is selling strictly to the pet owners and not going into any of these wholesale/commercial resell situations, they are not required to be licensed with USDA even with more than 3 breeding females.

Just being licensed with the USDA tells me the breeder is not the breeder I want. I look for breeders that refuse to sell to pet stores, brokers, or dealers. I only buy from breeders who sell direct to a potential puppy owner who they have thoroughly screened. I want a breeder who breeds only as many dogs as they can adequately care for. I want them home raised, not caged in some outbuilding with minimal human contact. I want to see that they are clean, well-groomed and well cared for. These breeders need no USDA licenses and are definately not doing anything shady! There is a lot more to the law, you might want to read it. BTW do you have a Class A or B? Here is a rundown that might help you get started with understanding the licensing requirements: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...quirements.pdf

I am still mulling over your last comment, "My finer customers are much more refiner and reasonable.....just a matter of class I guess." "Much more refiner?" Really? I guess it is a matter of class, but I don't think the way you mean it. I never would imagine trying to say richer clients were somehow better than others, if that is what you are getting at. But then I did not change the price of my pups by whim and give a different price to different customers. They all got a fair deal -- same price for everyone. Price was not the main topic -- how they would care for the pup was.

[concretegurl]

Debra, this is one of those we completely agree on and it actually counts in the tally books...my oh my some people. I'm not even sure I believe the OP, but oh well, she told a story about something she supposedly witnessed and then the responses (from a new member who just so happened to have adopted that same pup-WOW)-craziness!

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by love1yorkie

If I were the one making assumptions... you would be the one that we'd be talking about. Spreading hatred all over the internet. It's called a viral attack. I counted at least 5 differences in your story..he not she, dates ect ect..I know exactly who you are and the couple you were with and you brother in law did come back and act like he was all upset because you talked him out of the pup. Also, what gives anyone the right to criticize a perfectly fine crazy little healthy hyper "BEAUTIFUL in your own words PUP" that belonged to ME. YES, MY property to decide who i wanted to SELL or give it to. What makes you think i would have even let you have him. I was showing dogs and enjoying people. I remember shuttling you all off and telling you to enjoy shopping and to think about it. Bottom line is it is MY business not yours. You were just mad because you had obvious remorse that you lost a great opportunity. BTW....he checked out perfecto and the only crime associated with Louie is that he now gets Cross dressed and is made to wear girlie clothes and bows in his hair.

Now, lets put you on the chopping block and talk all mean about anything you do? How about talk about your kids and give your contact info?? lets do that. You should feel a lot guilty.

If the OP was out there at the mall peddling puppies we would be posting about her. The OP has nothing to feel "guilty" about, but perhaps you do. After all, if I were selling sick puppies to innocent people, I would feel extreme guilt, but then I have a conscience.

I find it telling of your true beliefs that you refer to the pup as "your property", as if he were some material item for your "refiner" clientele's consideration. I see puppies as living beings to be cherished and loved, not to be peddled at the local mall to whoever pays the fluctuating price.

You refer to "showing" your pups, I'm assuming you don't mean in a show ring do you? I thought respected, reputable show breeders would NEVER sell puppies in a store....any store!?

[EmmaPeel]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

You are writing in a most unprofessional manner, especially for someone who is dealing with the public and trying to address a negative review. If you really deny what this potential customer wrote describing her experience with you (go back to first post) then write calmly, rationally, and truthfully with details about the exact situations she outlines in her post. Save all of your bragging about being the best at everything and give facts and details.

You are also putting out erroneous information! You wrote: "So back to USDA....did you know that if you sell even one puppy you must be inspected and lic by the USDA." This may be true for you, but this is not true for breeders unless they are running a wholesale business, brokering for someone else, or selling to pet shops/dealers/research, etc. If a breeder has 3 or less breeding females, she is exempt completely from USDA licensing or inspections. If a breeder is selling strictly to the pet owners and not going into any of these wholesale/commercial resell situations, they are not required to be licensed with USDA even with more than 3 breeding females.

Just being licensed with the USDA tells me the breeder is not the breeder I want. I look for breeders that refuse to sell to pet stores, brokers, or dealers. I only buy from breeders who sell direct to a potential puppy owner who they have thoroughly screened. I want a breeder who breeds only as many dogs as they can adequately care for. I want them home raised, not caged in some outbuilding with minimal human contact. I want to see that they are clean, well-groomed and well cared for. These breeders need no USDA licenses and are definately not doing anything shady! There is a lot more to the law, you might want to read it. BTW do you have a Class A or B? Here is a rundown that might help you get started with understanding the licensing requirements: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...quirements.pdf

I am still mulling over your last comment, "My finer customers are much more refiner and reasonable.....just a matter of class I guess." "Much more refiner?" Really? I guess it is a matter of class, but I don't think the way you mean it. I never would imagine trying to say richer clients were somehow better than others, if that is what you are getting at. But then I did not change the price of my pups by whim and give a different price to different customers. They all got a fair deal -- same price for everyone. Price was not the main topic -- how they would care for the pup was.

I also thought it was interesting that she states the "couple" she is talking about was "well to do"...why should that fact matter? I'm just saying.

Also getting tired of the HUGE cut-and-paste of how many animals she "saved" in each reply she and her cronies post. Beating a dead horse and has nothing to do with the original post, which as many have pointed out, was just a nice person who wanted to make sure she was doing the right thing. More than I can say from what I have read about this breeder and the postings of her and her cronies. Just my 2 cents, but I am sure that I will now get nasty and threatening PMs from them, too. ; )

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by love1yorkie

there is NO MIGHT.....It might rain..it might this or that.......she feels or worries. C'mon either it does or it doesn't....There is this thing called a contract and a requirement that a VET certify any problem a dog has.......IT might be silver or it might be blue is the only guess that dog had. To this day, this attacking lady walks right in the shop and gloats over her beautiful dog. She just wanted money and to feel good about SAVING a dog. She should have come to one of our rescue adoption b ut she didn't she wanted a free puppy. So back to USDA....did you know that if you sell even one puppy you must be inspected and lic by the USDA. So.every one of you who sell even one of your puppies without a lic. is doing so in a "SHADY" way. I personally have 6 breeding yorkie females , 2 brussle griffons females and 6 studs I share ownership with. Between my grandma, mom,sisters and aunties we hold 60 AKC blue ribbons and have the most precious Boutique kennel in California. We only sell our own dogs in the light of day and we pay taxes unlike all the backyard breeders in the nation. We best choose each dog for conformation and beauty. We unlike other breeders are proud and do everything we do in the light of day. In our community we get at least 10 dogs a yr dumped on our home because everyone knows that we are the BIG hearts and won't deny any dog love, shelter, medicine or spay and neuter and then re-home them at great losses. We get invited to the best events and have friends the world over.....Elise the lead in the S.F ballet the Nutcracker took the other "spastic pup". I had nothing to do with their life until i saved them and gave them the best care money can buy. I then re-homed them to the nicest most gracious folks. All I can say is I love and I am very proud of our station and hobby. But remember this... this pop culture use and overuse of the bad words people pin on each other should stop. There are many different recipes in life and not everyone is going to fit in your square peg. In all the years we have been involved in dogs I will tell you this...no good deed goes unpunished and It is the GOOD deals and the FREE dogs you gift to people that always come back to smack you in the face. FREE is ugly..people get trampled. My finer customers are much more refiner and reasonable.....just a matter of class I guess.

You have stated several times you are on the USDA list. Only breeders with HIGH VOLUMES of dogs and breeding stock are on the USDA list.

[love1yorkie]

when folks start judging and putting their "idea' about how we do things into their own words. Ridiculous. BTW, I have a class B lic. kennel lic, local business lic DBA all the above. And this woman never bought a dog from me...I ststed that i joked with them about a very sweet deal and it seems only the people you seem to be the most generous with come back and actually criticize. This lady did NOT get the dog they wanted and then complained. Another customer on YELP got a dog from my mom and then started blogging that she SAVED her Perfectly healthy dog....Nutcases. They think this and that. If they just stated the facts it would be much less hurtful. The Yelp customer felt she overpaid and threated blackmail virtual attack if I did not give her dog to her for $300.00 because she found other pups for that price the day later. C'mon I know and deal face to face with any customer I meet( there aren't that many) I know every single one. And some of them turn out to be creeps. be honest..you never had a really unreasonable customer or someone you met that acted irrationally? This original poster stated she felt guilty for NOT getting it as if she was supposed to rescue it. Ridiculous..I cannot stand Martyrs. Not one of them was saving a dog, they were BUYING a dog. If they want to save them then go do the work, dedicate your life and get on with it. Ah poor little pampered YORKIES do not need their saving or sympathy. My dogs are so pampered indoor and outdoor gardens and sleep in a bed with myself and my children every night. Our kennel gets opened in the morning and the race is on to see who can find the cat first. Save someone who needs it....you all are funny.

[love1yorkie]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

You have stated several times you are on the USDA list. Only breeders with HIGH VOLUMES of dogs and breeding stock are on the USDA list.

Anyone with more that 3 breeding females has to be registered..we have almost 10 between all the women in our family, So you are misinformed.

[love1yorkie]

Thank you to all the people who have written me private notes apologizing. It was very hurtful and upsetting trying to defend the Labels people try and pin on you. We love our animals, all our babies and YES, I love setting up my pups playpen at the boutique and my dad's tractor repair and my sister's nursery . We've done this for over 20 yrs. and no one ever called a any of the POP culture labels because we simply do not fall into the sludge of those bad people. We actually do rescue several times a year. But a Big Thank you to the private messages . We work really hard to maintain very high standards and take a lot of pride in our family, pets and homes. KC