heeeelp!!!!!

[Samuel-Samy]

Originally Posted by vbayne

This is nature - it is what all animals do....it is a natural thing....good grief people!!!

I agree!

[Samuel-Samy]

Originally Posted by ArmaniMan

Both the male and female could be hurt... it may be a natural "urge" for dogs but so is jotting in front of cars, eating chocolate, and running away from home... yet responsible owners prevent their dogs from doing these things in order to protect them.

I agree with this also.. It is a natural thing so we should not be soo against it but if I see Samy want to do this i would stop him right away (and I have stopped him already once).. I am sure the female would not be impressed with this behaviour..

[Samuel-Samy]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

You said nuts

This is funny.. I am happy people keep their great sense of humour in threads like this one (even though this thread isn't too out of control yet).

[mommadog1]

[quote=LuvMyPuppE;3096345]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

no need to start insulting. actually, i'm very educated - in fact, i'm a licensed teacher - and i'm looking into law school (but the closest is 1.5 hours away, and i have 2 kids).

as you can see from plenty of people's posts - lots of dogs continue to do the deed even after being spayed/neutered. obviously (i thought) i was joking when comparing humans to dogs EXACTLY- although the concept is the same - which is the point i was attempting to make. in other words, regardless of what you tie, cut, or castrate - desires remain. you can castrate a pedophile, but that doesn't mean he won't continue to have desires.

i said "why would dogs be different as far as desire to do it?" DESIRE being a big word.

and, i think it's anatomy - not biology - if we are getting that serious.

before you jump the gun - i like you, but i think you would have to agree your comment was insulting and i am simply responding. let's keep it civil, please.

Where on earth did I insult you or call you uneducated? Just because I said I was in awe of your lack of understanding of basic biology? It is the truth or you wouldn't of come up with that silly comment.

I did not intend to "insult" you, and great about your education..I happen to have one as well but thats for another thread.

I actually like you, I have told you that before. But you take things to personally and often in a way no intended.

Desire does not remain after castration, why else would they do it to sex offenders then? And yes there has been several who have opted to have it done as condition of parole. A sex offender, wont be able to get it up and he will not have the sex drive, no hormones... Does it mean they wont think about wanting to do something, nope it wont.. but it will keep him from doing it.

And it does work, my sister in law works for dept. of corrections and says it does stop the behaviors.

Also, sex crimes are not about sex anyhow...

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yes, you are right. Which is OK, because IMO, they should have been removed.

yes I agree..honestly, this thread should be deleted..lol

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by Samuel-Samy

This is funny.. I am happy people keep their great sense of humour in threads like this one (even though this thread isn't too out of control yet).

well I just lost my sense of humor I guess

And this thread is starting to trn with no help from me so I am not going to read in this thread any more...see ya in the others

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Kaji kept following a pretty little yorkie girl that I believe was in heat. He was very much interested in going all the way. Mr Peeper was out and everything. As long as he has been with me, he has not been allowed to fulfill his desire to do the deed. (Tried twice)
I thought it was the boy who locked with the female?? They have these things that swell around the base of his peeper. Can you tell I would not be a great breeder? My terminology is childish at best!

yes - really - would you quit being so technical ?

[BaxtersMommy]

So, basically a male and female dog should NEVER be left alone. For the fear of one of them being hurt by tying up?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

So, basically a male and female dog should NEVER be left alone. For the fear of one of them being hurt by tying up?

That's not what anyone is saying at all. But if it's crystal clear what their intentions are, then separate them for the time being. Take precautions when you can and be aware of the possible consequences.
This particular instance was not a case where the male and female lived together--they were allowed to "meet up." So it's a situation that could have easily been prevented.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

So, basically a male and female dog should NEVER be left alone. For the fear of one of them being hurt by tying up?

I would say no - (I only have girls so never had to deal with this thankfully) though Chanel does adore her stuffed monkey lover....not to extreme but he IS her boyfriend)

I have to agree with Misty (bama) - from what I read this was inentional - and I would think in most cases a neutered pet would most likely not 'do the deed' but encouraging it is a different story.....

I understand how some can feel certain things would 'calm' a puppy down - but this isn't one of them IMO

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yes, I was being quite serious. Why do you think that breeders advise all the time to never allow unsupervised ties? That it poses a threat to both the male and female? The risk is not the pregnancy--it's the injuries that could result from the tie itself.

Even neutered dogs can still tie with a female. The tie is the result of the swelling in the males bulbus glands, which are not removed during a neuter. If the female panics, or jerks and tries to get away, either of them could be injured. Many females will turn on the male in an attempt to separate from them, even "drag" the male around. (Is it really that hard to see why that would impose a huge risk for injury?) The bulbus glands could ruptured. It could easily result in broken blood vessels in the male's penis, which can lead to a condition called Priapism where the reduction of swelling after the dog is 'excited' is compromised--which can lead to some SERIOUS issues. The female could suffer from internal injuries and lesions of the uterus, possibly resulting in infection.

I believe there was a thread on here a while back where a member bred her dog and was unaware that he got a few strands of hair wrapped around during the tie...I *believe* that the dog actually ended up having to have his penis removed. (I'll have to see if I can find the thread.)

So no, I was most certainly NOT kidding when I posted that allowing this just for the fun of it was irresponsible. ASIDE from the behavioral issues that she is now experiences with her male as a probable result. So to crudely joke around about something and treat lightly a decision that could have easily harmed her male...sorry, but there is just no humor in that.

(I find it a bit disturbing that someone could make such crude comments yet I'm the one that's out of line...for expressing concern for the dog...go figure!)

[Mardelin]

Ok buys....let me throw in a bit of a curve here.

I babysit for a 2 year old boy (nuetered). My girlfriend has a 2 year old girl (nuetered). When they are together, their number one priority is to mate. She flags him, he attempts to mount her. While they are the best of buddies and are very taken to each other, for the most part just love playing together. But, they are never left alone together.

Not all spay/nuetered dogs act in this manners, so it is unncessary to keep boys and girls seperate at all times...just be cautious and alert as you are all the time with your dogs.

Let me touch on the breeder aspect of this. If ever AKC inspects your home, they will ask you for several things, your records, check your dogs. But, a trick question they ask is. How do you breed your dogs. They frown at answers such as: we put them in an x-pen together, or room, or crate. Knowing the ramifications of that, they know the importance of a supervised, hands-on, assistted breeding.

[Princes mom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I would say no - (I only have girls so never had to deal with this thankfully) though Chanel does adore her stuffed monkey lover....not to extreme but he IS her boyfriend)

I have to agree with Misty (bama) - from what I read this was inentional - and I would think in most cases a neutered pet would most likely not 'do the deed' but encouraging it is a different story.....

I understand how some can feel certain things would 'calm' a puppy down - but this isn't one of them IMO

[BaxtersMommy]

I have never seen my neutered boys do this. I had them neutered at 5 1/2 months. They don't even hump my girls. I have caught them trying a toy out. (and that was months ago) hehe But, I guess every dog is different. Good thing to know.

[Sookie]

[quote=mommadog1;3096407]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

Where on earth did I insult you or call you uneducated? Just because I said I was in awe of your lack of understanding of basic biology? It is the truth or you wouldn't of come up with that silly comment.

I did not intend to "insult" you, and great about your education..I happen to have one as well but thats for another thread.

I actually like you, I have told you that before. But you take things to personally and often in a way no intended.

Desire does not remain after castration, why else would they do it to sex offenders then? And yes there has been several who have opted to have it done as condition of parole. A sex offender, wont be able to get it up and he will not have the sex drive, no hormones... Does it mean they wont think about wanting to do something, nope it wont.. but it will keep him from doing it.

And it does work, my sister in law works for dept. of corrections and says it does stop the behaviors.

Also, sex crimes are not about sex anyhow...

Not to keep the thread going, but just FYI, castrated men can still do the deed in some instances. Ten percent or less of sex offenders who are surgically castrated can and do repeat their crimes. Sad but true.