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Breezeaway 11-28-2009 11:17 AM

So your saying that the Biewer a la Pom pon and all the other biewers are not biewers unless they are registered as biewer Terriers, Even though they all have the same bloodlines they are not biewers unless they belong in your club ,which has changed the name of the Biewer how many times?

JeanieK 11-28-2009 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Delightyorkies (Post 2895784)
If there is such a big Parti Gene pool out there maybe you can explain to us why most of your Parties come from the same Kennel?How many Parti Breeders exist in the USA today and which one could you recommend to somebody wanting to buy one???

Most of our partis come from the same kennel for the same reason that all of your Biewers came from the same kennel. For me personally, It is the only one I trust to be true yorkshire terrier.

But we have the ability to breed in any other line by creating carriers. With your elite little group of biewer terriers, you don't have much to choose from. Well I guess you could use your recipe to create more of them if you actually had a recipe.

JeanieK 11-28-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2895778)
It seems that everybody is missing the point Nancy made in post #28 from the Original OP. This is where the red flag again gets raised. Will the original OP come on here and just clarify she has pure bred AKC parti yorkies and has no intentions of mixing the breed.

Original OP
So I bought Parti Yorkies. Now what? I thought this was the coolest thing since traditionals. I was wondering what the yorkie community thinks of these sweet [COLOR=green! important]little [COLOR=green! important]dogs[/COLOR]???? Please give me our honest opinion. [/COLOR]

Post #28

I see besides bringing us more variety with parti's, you are also breeding Havashires (Havanese/Yorkie cross pups).
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That is out of our control. so why dwell on it.

JeanieK 11-28-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Delightyorkies (Post 2895784)
If there is such a big Parti Gene pool out there maybe you can explain to us why most of your Parties come from the same Kennel?How many Parti Breeders exist in the USA today and which one could you recommend to somebody wanting to buy one???

I would reccommend that they buy from me because I know where mine came from.

As explaind before, we can breed to any line of yorkies to increase our gene pool. What is your plan to increase your gene pool.

ziggy925 11-28-2009 11:27 AM

Hmmm. I will give you this -- they are beautiful dogs and best to you and yours. As a guy, I don't think I could handle it, however. ;)

JeanieK 11-28-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ziggy925 (Post 2895802)
Hmmm. I will give you this -- they are beautiful dogs and best to you and yours. As a guy, I don't think I could handle it, however. ;)

You sound like a very wise man. ;)

Delightyorkies 11-28-2009 12:22 PM

It is interesting how sensitive you all are when it comes to remarks that are made about you and yet any new person that is in here you blast instantly.Since when are your insults better than mine.If I decide to get life counseling I will order me some Tony Robbins CD's so save your wisdom.
I asked you a simple question about, how a new litter of Parti Yorkies is registered and who has to be DNA ed.
Since you are not interested that people are registering the same dog as a Parti with AKC and as a Biewer with IBC ,I will definitely not waste my time in here any longer.I was not aware that protecting the Parti Yorkie means so little to all of you.

Pinehaven 11-28-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Delightyorkies (Post 2895862)
I asked you a simple question about, how a new litter of Parti Yorkies is registered and who has to be DNA ed.
Since you are not interested that people are registering the same dog as a Parti with AKC and as a Biewer with IBC ,I will definitely not waste my time in here any longer.I was not aware that protecting the Parti Yorkie means so little to all of you.

Personally, I think all AKC registered dogs should be DNA'd. It will cost a little more for breeders but it will keep everyone honest and the buyers will know what they're getting. I DNA all my dogs that are use for breeding.

peanut 11-28-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2895575)
Here is your comparison::::::::;

The Yorkshire terrier standard
Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard
Toy Group
General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.
Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black.Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.
Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.
Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.
Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.
Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.
Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.
Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.
Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.
Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.


The Parti Standard
The Parti Standard is the same as the AKC Yorkshire Terrier with the exception being the color.
General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose silky straight tri color coat of black, white and tan/gold is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance
Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.
Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.
Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.
Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.
Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
Colors
Parti-Color Variety--Two or more solid, well broken colors, one of which must be white.Colors include Black, Gold and White, Black , Tan and white, Blue ,Tan and white and Blue , Gold and white. Must have 30% white on the body . Primary color ninety Percent(90%) or more disqualifies .

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
DISQUALIFICATIONS
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Any change in coat color by artificial means. Primary color ninety percent (90%) or more.


The Biewer Standard

General Appearance is that of an elegant longhaired tri colored toy terrier with the hair parting down the middle and hanging straight and evenly on both sides of the dog, as though a comb had been used to part the hair from the nose to the end of the body. The back is level, with height at shoulders being equal to height of the rump. Although the outline of the dog gives the appearance of a square, the body length can be slightly longer than the over all height. The tail is carried high over the body in a teacup handle fashion and covered with a long flowing plume. The Biewer Terrier has a lighthearted whimsical, child like attitude. Although mischievous at times, they are obedient and make a loyal companion.

Head is slightly rounded with a moderate stop. Muzzle is approximately one-third the length of the head. Bite can be level or scissor bite. Nose is to be completely black. Eyes are medium sized and either round or almond shaped, with an intelligent expression looking straight ahead. The rims are dark in color. Ears are small, V shaped, upright, moderately wide set and covered with hair. They are set to the back of the skull and their base is level with the eyes. Tips should be shaved.
Body is fine to medium boned with a good level top line. Height at the shoulders is the same as the height at the rump. Length of the body can be slightly longer than the height of the dog. Chest comes to the elbows with a good width. The rib cage is moderately sprung with the underline being slightly tucked up and a short but strong loin.
Front legs must be absolutely straight, muscular and covered with hair. Hind legs are straight when viewed from behind and stifles are slightly bent when viewed from the side. Feet are as round as possible, with white or black nails.
Tail is carried high over the body in a teacup handle fashion and covered with a long flowing plume. The length must go to the stifles or longer.
Coat is long and flowing with a soft silky texture. Hair is straight and without an undercoat and should be at least ¾ to the ground. Head fall is tied up into a single ponytail on top of the head and may be left hanging freely or put into a topknot.
Head coloring is (Blue/Black, White, Gold/Tan); (Blue/Black, Gold/Tan); (Gold/Tan, White) in good symmetry.
Hair coloring on back is blue or black and white. Amounts of each color are of personal preference with no dominating patterns.
Chest, Stomach, Legs and tip of the Tail is absolutely white. The white from the chest should come up the neck to cover the chin.
Temperament of the Biewer Terrier is intelligent, loyal and very devoted to their human family. They have a fun loving, child like attitude that makes them a great companion for all ages.
Weight is 4 to 8 pounds.

Faults are a roach or rounded back; brown, gold or tan any where on the body, legs, or tail; pale nostrils; floppy ears; over 8 lbs.



The Parti Yorkies uses the standard of the Yorkshire terrier verbatim except for color. Where did you get your standard?

Were did you get the Parti standard, I have look everywhere for it??

Obie 11-28-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2895870)
Personally, I think all AKC registered dogs should be DNA'd. It will cost a little more for breeders but it will keep everyone honest and the buyers will know what they're getting. I DNA all my dogs that are use for breeding.


Very well said. And I commend you for being the keeper of the key to your breeding program.

It is the same as the Biewer Terrier. We, the BTCA, are the keeper of the key to our Biewer Terrier, and yes, we DNA both parents that are sold or registered as Breeders. BTRA will have it no other way.

The Biewer Terrier today, is not the the Biewer a la pom pon originally thought to be of yesterday from Germany. We know that, they know that, Mrs. Biewer knows that, IBACA knows that, ARBA knows that, the MARS Wisdom panel knows that and UCI accepts that. AS a breed club, there will be more to come out of this. However, we are not allowed to devulge that information at this time. It is all the honor of the genesis’ who made the discovery. And, to add a little flavor to the pot, there is more to come. However, it cannot be devulged here.

Just keep your lines clean. Remember, the Yorkshire terrier did not come about on its own merit. And all you who fight so hard to prove a point with the parti's are the ones who are fighting so hard to make it so. You only have a paper trail, you do not have today's technology to genetically prove a parti is what you say or want to believe it is. ;) Genetics is going to be the deciding factor in todays purebred dog. No more lies, no more he said she said, no more fooling the public into paying a high price for something thought to be there.

I hope in the end we won't find many of these dogs in the shelters that we find today. Greed breds greed. And as the original OP said, what now? :eek:

JeanieK 11-28-2009 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Delightyorkies (Post 2895862)
It is interesting how sensitive you all are when it comes to remarks that are made about you and yet any new person that is in here you blast instantly.Since when are your insults better than mine.If I decide to get life counseling I will order me some Tony Robbins CD's so save your wisdom.
I asked you a simple question about, how a new litter of Parti Yorkies is registered and who has to be DNA ed.
Since you are not interested that people are registering the same dog as a Parti with AKC and as a Biewer with IBC ,I will definitely not waste my time in here any longer.I was not aware that protecting the Parti Yorkie means so little to all of you.

As I said, it does no good to uopset ourselves over something which we cannot control. if you were to adopt that same wisdom perhaps you would not be so angry.

With a new litter of parti yorkies, no one has to be DNA'd. Why would the yorkies be treated any different than any other breed of dog.

There are disreputable breeders in every breed, I cannot control that so I don't bother myself with it. I do my home work before I buy or sell and that is all that I can do.

PS my counseling is free. Stop bothering yourself with things that you cannot control and you will be a much happier person. And you can begin today.

JeanieK 11-28-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2895870)
Personally, I think all AKC registered dogs should be DNA'd. It will cost a little more for breeders but it will keep everyone honest and the buyers will know what they're getting. I DNA all my dogs that are use for breeding.

:thumbup::thumbup: I agree. I'd like to see that too, and the additional cost might be just enough to keep the casual breeder from breeding.

but since I cannot control that I don't bother getting upset over it.

JeanieK 11-28-2009 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 2895881)
Were did you get the Parti standard, I have look everywhere for it??

Ours is on the Colorful Yorkshire Terrier Club website. you can google it.

Pinehaven 11-28-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 2895881)
Were did you get the Parti standard, I have look everywhere for it??

A link to the Colorful Yorkshire Terrier Club website is in my signature line below. Standards are listed on the Notices page - same standards as the traditional yorkie, just no color restrictions.

sierrapups 11-28-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2895801)
I would reccommend that they buy from me because I know where mine came from.

As explaind before, we can breed to any line of yorkies to increase our gene pool. What is your plan to increase your gene pool.

The purpose of a breed club is to protect the integrity of the breed. It is obvious that these are not the intentions of Parti breeders as they are corrupting the endlessly hard work that went into developing the beautiful coloring on the Yorkshire Terrier. They have also chosen to incorporate the Biewer Terrier without understanding the genetic make up of the Biewer.
To belong to a club that is exploiting both of these breeds is inherently wrong. The work that has gone into establishing the Biewer Terrier has to be protected from those that don't understand or chose to not understand what it takes to nurture a breed.
Free counseling from someone that has no knowledge is a very dangerous thing. It would be far more productive if the haughty attitude JK has would be put aside and if she would produce the actual facts and paperwork, DNA and studies that link the original Partis to the Biewers. Then again she would have to know that the Biewer has evolved into the dog it is today away from the Parti, thus the mixing of the two breeds should be taboo.


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