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Club???? does it not take at least 5 people to make a club.Yeah that's were it started, unfortunately the dogs your'"Club"imported had very little to do with the 2 little Yorkie's and that special gene.Which might explain the size and quality of the dogs your so called Club produced.Interesting that you so much want to believe the History of the Biewer to be true for yor dogs and yet your club to this day, goes against everything Mr. and Mrs.Biewer believed in.For somebody that rolls into the back of our forum almost every day I would have expected a little more.

You have added nothing to this thread but insults and misinformation.

The Biewer "story" is the history of the Biewer. Untill someone comes up with some concrete evidence, not wishful thinking or speculation, to disprove that story, it will remain the biewer "story".

Even if there are Biewers being tested that show other breeds in their make up and can actually tell the breeds of these other dogs. It still does not prove that the Biewer story is not true. Those supposedly other breeds could have been mixed in, anywhere along the line and the original dogs are gone so there is no way that you are going to disprove the Biewer history.

Unfortunately you have insulted someone that DOES know the true story. Unlike you she did not come on here to insult and badger. When we say that the Parti or Biewer breeders that are mixing the breeds are truely doing a disjustice to both Yorkies and Biewers we are not doing it to insult anyone. The lines that the members of the BTCA have out number anyone else's and we do not have the health issues that you seem to be saying is plaguing the Biewer Terrier.
I don't know who you are but you seem to take over the thread and don't even have facts to back up your assertations.

JeanieK

Quiet frankly this is exactly how I feel about you.You just go on and on and totally miss the point.I have talked to Mrs. Biewer at least 2x a month over the past 2 years how about you.?The BTCA owns much of the original documentation and has been in contact with several breed experts that also played a part in the Biewers history.Why would we even attempt to change the history.Where the Biewer started, has nothing to do with what it is today.We know it ,Mrs Biewer knows it ,almost every German breeder is convinced of it.Maybe you should follow your own lead and not post and attack people you know nothing about.

Misinformation and insults really?
What would that be?

I admit when I don't have the facts. I know nothing about the biewers, and yes maybe they are doing an injustice and maybe she does know about the Biewers. So then put the facts out here and stop insulting people.

Come one here and present the facts and be willing to back it up with proof.

Anyone can come on here and say anything but if they don't have the proof ar are not willing to give the proof then what they say is unsubstantiated and just hearsay.

If it is top secret than perhaps they should not have even brought it up.

the only reason that I care about what is going on with the biewer is because I have friends that would like to get them accepted by the AKC and going this route is not going to get it done.

The AKC is going to want breeding records.

Maybe there are some biewers put there that are testing different, maybe another breed or two was mixed in, but to say that it was done by the Biewers themselves is ridiculous. Just as saying that the parties were mixed is ridiculous because they were showing up in the well known reputable show breeders lines. they did not just appear out of some byb litter.

Anyone who makes that claim had better be prepared to back it up with proof also. The AKC did a very thurough investigation, they didn't just take someones word for it and there were no falsified records.

So bring on the proof and this entire discussion will come to an end.

I have said that there may be other breeds mixed in but I doubt that the Biewers did it. Which would mean that not all of the lines have these other breeds mixed in therefore the Biewer and the parti are the same dog.

And as for the direction they planned to take the breed. You don't start adding in other breeds and keep the same breed, you then have a mixed breed dog, and since they have still been considered a yorkie and have been breeding in the yorkies, that mixes it up even more.

Here is your comparison::::::::;

The Yorkshire terrier standard
Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard
Toy Group
General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.
Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black.Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.
Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.
Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.
Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.
Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.
Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.
Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.
Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.
Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.


The Parti Standard
The Parti Standard is the same as the AKC Yorkshire Terrier with the exception being the color.
General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose silky straight tri color coat of black, white and tan/gold is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance
Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.
Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.
Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.
Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.
Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
Colors
Parti-Color Variety--Two or more solid, well broken colors, one of which must be white.Colors include Black, Gold and White, Black , Tan and white, Blue ,Tan and white and Blue , Gold and white. Must have 30% white on the body . Primary color ninety Percent(90%) or more disqualifies .

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
DISQUALIFICATIONS
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Any change in coat color by artificial means. Primary color ninety percent (90%) or more.


The Biewer Standard

General Appearance is that of an elegant longhaired tri colored toy terrier with the hair parting down the middle and hanging straight and evenly on both sides of the dog, as though a comb had been used to part the hair from the nose to the end of the body. The back is level, with height at shoulders being equal to height of the rump. Although the outline of the dog gives the appearance of a square, the body length can be slightly longer than the over all height. The tail is carried high over the body in a teacup handle fashion and covered with a long flowing plume. The Biewer Terrier has a lighthearted whimsical, child like attitude. Although mischievous at times, they are obedient and make a loyal companion.

Head is slightly rounded with a moderate stop. Muzzle is approximately one-third the length of the head. Bite can be level or scissor bite. Nose is to be completely black. Eyes are medium sized and either round or almond shaped, with an intelligent expression looking straight ahead. The rims are dark in color. Ears are small, V shaped, upright, moderately wide set and covered with hair. They are set to the back of the skull and their base is level with the eyes. Tips should be shaved.
Body is fine to medium boned with a good level top line. Height at the shoulders is the same as the height at the rump. Length of the body can be slightly longer than the height of the dog. Chest comes to the elbows with a good width. The rib cage is moderately sprung with the underline being slightly tucked up and a short but strong loin.
Front legs must be absolutely straight, muscular and covered with hair. Hind legs are straight when viewed from behind and stifles are slightly bent when viewed from the side. Feet are as round as possible, with white or black nails.
Tail is carried high over the body in a teacup handle fashion and covered with a long flowing plume. The length must go to the stifles or longer.
Coat is long and flowing with a soft silky texture. Hair is straight and without an undercoat and should be at least ¾ to the ground. Head fall is tied up into a single ponytail on top of the head and may be left hanging freely or put into a topknot.
Head coloring is (Blue/Black, White, Gold/Tan); (Blue/Black, Gold/Tan); (Gold/Tan, White) in good symmetry.
Hair coloring on back is blue or black and white. Amounts of each color are of personal preference with no dominating patterns.
Chest, Stomach, Legs and tip of the Tail is absolutely white. The white from the chest should come up the neck to cover the chin.
Temperament of the Biewer Terrier is intelligent, loyal and very devoted to their human family. They have a fun loving, child like attitude that makes them a great companion for all ages.
Weight is 4 to 8 pounds.

Faults are a roach or rounded back; brown, gold or tan any where on the body, legs, or tail; pale nostrils; floppy ears; over 8 lbs.



The Parti Yorkies uses the standard of the Yorkshire terrier verbatim except for color. Where did you get your standard?

You know about as much about the partis and what is going on with them as I do about the biewers. I would never mix the parti with a Biewer, the main reason is that they would not be AKC, second I do not know which lines are pure and which ones are mixed. My lines are clean because I know where they came from, I don't buy from jsut anyone and would never buy from any breeder who owns both the Biewer and the parti colored yorkshire Terrier.

What do the ads in CA have to do with what is happening with the yorkshire terrier breed. Which is MY breed. There are unethical breeders in all breeds, that is not going to change.

I cannot control what other breeders do, I am only concerned with what is going on with my breeding program and where I get my dogs from.

But I will continue to come on here and correct any misinformation that is being posted about the parti color.

As for my friends/acquaintences, I feel bad that they have to be drug down by people who claim that their Biewers are a mixed breed. They fought a hard battle trying to get them accepted by the yorkie breeders who claimed that they were mixed, and now they have Biewer people saying the same thing.

You may want to check the Biewer ads too, especially on puppyfind...
The no gene pool is hilarious, we can breed to any AKC registered Yorkshire terrier in the world is that large enough?
As they say in the south, "sweep your own front porch before you come telling me to sweep mine."

If you look at the name of this thread.. it's "Parti Yorkies" .. What's your opinion.. I don't believe THEY are the ones that have hijacked it!

Diana :animal-pa

Deb, I am totally lost as well. The parti has no gene pool? Well shoot...I was led to believe that an AKC reg yorkie could be bred to another AKC reg yorkie. :D
I guess they do not realize that the AKC registered parti yorkie and all it's thousands of carriers out there can be bred to ANY AKC registered yorkie available for sale. I could be wrong here..but that seems like a pretty big gene pool to me!! :yelrotflm

It seems that everybody is missing the point Nancy made in post #28 from the Original OP. This is where the red flag again gets raised. Will the original OP come on here and just clarify she has pure bred AKC parti yorkies and has no intentions of mixing the breed.

Original OP
So I bought Parti Yorkies. Now what? I thought this was the coolest thing since traditionals. I was wondering what the yorkie community thinks of these sweet [COLOR=green! important]little [COLOR=green! important]dogs[/COLOR]???? Please give me our honest opinion. [/COLOR]

Post #28

I see besides bringing us more variety with parti's, you are also breeding Havashires (Havanese/Yorkie cross pups).
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If there is such a big Parti Gene pool out there maybe you can explain to us why most of your Parties come from the same Kennel?How many Parti Breeders exist in the USA today and which one could you recommend to somebody wanting to buy one???

Tsk Tsk Tsk. More insults. Can't you just say what you have to say without insults.

We can be concerned with what is going on with the Parti color all we want, but since we have no control over what other breeders do, why frustrate ourselves with it. It would just make us ANGRY peiople. Remember the Serenity Prayer, Well I have that wisdom.

What do you mean about the yorkie breeders fighting us. WE are yorkies breeders. And for those that want to fight us, well they need to remember the Serenity Prayer also, they could use some wisdom also.

Perhaps that is what all of this is all about, a few people trying to control ther rest of the yorkie breeders, not to mention the AKC.

The YTCA has their club and their rules. we have our club and our rules. What makes their rules better than ours? They did not create the yorkie, they do not own the yorkie breed and they have no copyright on them.

And the same can be said for your group and the biewers. Have the wisdom to know what you can and cannot change.

And this is exactly why you have a hard time getting supporters for your little mixed Terrier.

You can't help yourself. When all else fails...you insult a whole class of people. Do you not realize just how many people on this site you have insulted with that stupid and bigoted remark?