Very cute.

Just be prepared for lots of "what kind of dog is that"?

I have a long haired German shepherd (a fault in the breed as well) and I get it all the time- what is he?

I can see that you ,after spending most of the last 3 years on YT,consider yourself an expert on everything.You have posted many things about the Biewer and yet you don't seem to know any Biewer breeders personally, that had their dogs tested with Mars and would be willing to share it with you.Why else would you asked this question over and over again on a public forum? You know nothing about the Biewer Terrier.
It is quiet simple ,the BTCA knows exactly what the make up of the Biewer Terrier is and will never reveal it to the public.We are a Breed club and our main goal is to protect the Biewer Terrier.We will not hand out recipes ,for unscrupulous Puppy producers so they can try to recreate a Biewer,.

OK.. now I'm confussed??? First of all.. Biewers DON'T need to have two parents DNA'd to be registered.. we all have Biewers from Germany who were never DNA'd.. Many have Biewers who are not members of the BTCA nor ever wish to be! Most Biewers are not what you have called a Biewer Terrier.

I do not know many Parti breeders who are breeding to Biewers.. I do know Biewer breeders breeding to Parti's.. the resulting offspring are Biewer Yorkies.. we are doing this for the very reasons mentioned.. to open up the lines. We care more about the health and well being of our dogs than "being the first to AKC". We don't shout the loudest or stand on a mountain and beat our chests.. we just hope to breed beautiful, healthy, happy dogs.

Just because YOU disagree that the Parti and the Biewer are not from the same lines does not automatically make it a falsehood, just something you disagree with.. that's all.. a difference of opinion, yours no more valid than someone elses. If you have proof of your opinion, I'm sure we'd all love to see it. I disagree with you, that doesn't necessarily mean your opinion is false either, I just disagree with it.

Lastly.. the most confusing thing to me is that your club states that you have a "different dog" than what was originally bred as the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.. that the greedy German Breeders didn't have enough dogs to supply the Americans with the dogs they wanted to they bred in other dogs to fill the demand that was placed on them for the Biewers.. that's why you now have a "NEW BREED" .. the Biewer Terrier.. that these dogs were obviously DIFFERENT than the originial and that you could tell it because they looked different.. now.. all of a sudden, your saying they look the SAME as they did 20 years ago.. well.. which is it?

I do not see a consistant look in the Biewer at all.. they vary in size, in shape, in coat, in tail, in structure in everything, hmm.. just like yorkies do.

People have a Biewer, and as long is it is able to breath and stand up on it's own, they believe it is "breedable".. the Biewers are looking less and less like Biewers every day! In Germany, the Biewers had the benifit of 20 years of nurturing.. the Parti's are just now starting to come into their development.. of course they are going to change.. lines change all the time.. people start to want a specific look and breeders breed for that look..

These dogs are going to look the same. (well, not sure about the Biewer Terriers.. not sure what's in your dogs exactly.. it's a secret) The original Biewer Yorkshire Terriers and the Parti's are both just yorkies that have a color fault.. they should both LOOK like yorkies, use the yorkie standard in every way other than for color. The further away from the Yorkie look the Biewer gets, the further away from the original dog it is.. (in my opinion of course.. false or not)


Diana :animal-pa

Really!!! :rolleyes:, I'd love to see some of those pictures. I can assure you that the breeders that got the partis to be registered, have never mixed breeds and they worked closely with the AKC to comply with all of their requests. keeping impecable records.

The litters and all of the ancestors were DNA'd to prove that the lines were clean.

You must think those people at the AKC are a bunch of idiots.

:bravo::bravo::bravo:

I could not have said it better. In fact I was thinking along those same lines when I saw thepost. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

:lol tears:lol tears:lol tears

Sorry Just could not stop my hands from doing that. :p

I wish you the best of luck with this litter.

This comment has been made three times now just today, where it has never been made before. 5 years ago most people had never even heard of a parti colored yorkie let alone seen one and now all of a sudden everyone claims to have seen them 20 years ago when breeders were still keeping them hidden.

Lets see some pictures to prove what you are saying.

Do you all think the AKC is run by a bunch of idiots.

simple fact!! the AKC has declared that the parti colored yorkie is a yorkie. The people that worked towards this goal had to be in strict compliance with the AKC reglations or they never would have gotten that through.

These were kennels that were well known by the AKC as show breeders. They were not a bunch of unknowns that just decided one day to take a Biewer and have it declared a parti colored yorkie.

The poor Biewer people that have been working towards getting their Biewers accepted as yorkies, now have to battle the other Biewer people who claim they are not yorkies but aren't sure exdactly what they are.

and if the parti coloreds have improved in looks it most likely came about through selective breeding, just as all show breeders do to improve the looks of their traditional colored yorkies. They cannot be faulted for that.

I can't see what the big secret is. I claim to know nothing about the Beiwers except what has been posted on YT because I have never researched them..

I am accquainted with Biewer breeders that believe that their Biewers are 100% yorkie.

If you had this information you would be more open about it. the reason it is not being posted is because

YOU GOT NUTTIN HONEY

But their theory on that is that the parti breeders falsified the records. And those people that won't accept the Biewers into the AKC were the same idiots that accepted all of those false records from the parti breeders. And they will vanish due to mismanagement of the records and the Biewer Terrier people will take over and all will be good.

So you see it is all the fault of the AKC.

I adore parti color yorkies and chocolate yorkies but unfortunately they are WAY out of my price range! Luckily In the next few months I will be getting a yorkie pup from a fabulous breeder here on YT !

Congrats on your new puppy. I bet you cant wait to bring her/him home.

So what this really boils down to is ,that you really don't know any Biewer breeders personally,you know nothing about any Biewer breeding program and you would like people that have spend hundreds of $$$ to test their dogs with Mars to share their results with you.Otherwise you will talk down to them because you feel like it.??

Interesting, I don't know what the big secret is either but I do know that my club, the BAPPC, doesn't need a 'recipe' to produce a Biewer...we know what dogs were used to create the Biewer and it all started with 2 little standard Yorkies who carried a special gene.

You know, I have never come on here in any post or any thread and criticized any ones Biewere Parti or traditional colored yorkie. Be they short fat tall skinny big little white black brown grene blue or purple. Nor have I criticized anyones breeding programs or practices.

I just want to set the record straight for those who do not know me. Hey there might be someone that doesn't know me, like that new kid Dago.

All I have ever done is defend the parti and my right to breed them when I and all other parti breeders have been raked over the colas, scrutinized, called liars and unethical breeders, byobs and puppy millers that are interested only in the fortune that we are making off of breeding these dogs and caring nothing for the dogs themselves...

And all of this by people who do not own partis, have never laid eys on a parti, and untill a few of us started to educate them were totally clueless as to where they even came from. Now we are being accused of falsifying records because we ared not afraid to reveal where our dogs came from And you have nothing to prove otherwise that makes us liars.

So while you are pointing a finger at us, you have three pointing back at yourseleves.

I have nothing against the biewers or the Biewer breeders.
But if you come on here claiming that you have proof of something, if the proof actually exists, then why keep it hidden? What is the big secret.

The only reason for not revealing it, is that there is none and that is why the AKC will not recognize the Biewer as a separate breed.

Hypothetically, even if the mars testing shows other breeds and has identified those other breeds, (which I will believe it when I see it), they still are going to want a history of the breed development, as in breeding records to show which other pure bred dogs these dogs were mated with.

So without those records, you got nothin.