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JeanieK 11-27-2009 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2894695)
Bylaws are set in place to protect the breed. When I used the term traditional in my post it was only intended to address a question that you ignored. You seem to be more concerned with being combative. Let me add. There is no such thing as a traditional yorkie. There is no such thing as a parti colored yorkie. These are terms made up by unethical breeders.

I've posted the color requirements from the akc on here. You want to be treated equal just b/c a small group of people think something is okay to do?

People that buy these puppies should know the truth. People should not support breeders that are lying about a registration! I mean, what kind of breeder lies about the color they are breeding then registers it? Here it is in black and white from the akc.


Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.


You will never be accepted in YTCA with a vagrants. Since when did YTCA allow a new standard because a member wanted one? You do not know what you are talking about. You aren't allowed membership so you bash the club? That should explain things about your intent about the breeds future. How much did you spend on research last year? You bad mouth the breed club yet you use it for marketing purposes by saying "some have a CH in their pedigree". I've read these posts, you say that MOST show homes are more concerned with finding the perfect show dog over health. They go hand in hand. Health is part of goal.

As Pinehaven has posted before. The AKC is a BREED registry, not a COLOR registry.

This parti gene is a natural part of the Yorkshire Terrier. They are 100% yorkshire terriers. I totally agee that there are some mixes out there that are being passed off as partis, but I am not responsible for that..

The YTCA sets the standard for showing, NOT THE AKC. Just because the YTCA has decided that FOR JUDGING PURPOSES they do not want the parti color, does not mean that they are not yorkies.

The YTCA has also set a size standard 7 pounds and under, yet show breeders will breed the bigger girls if they are right in every other aspect.

Now they know, when they do this, and they show the puppies of this breeding, and even get them to Champions, that those "champions" have the genetic potential to produce WRONG SIZED puppies. Wrong size/wrong color. What is the difference, they are both wrong according to the YTCA.

Some even dye the coats and do other cosmetic "enhancements" to win the championship. They believe it is OK to do this as long as the dog is within the standard in ever other aspect.

So why is it different for the parti color. The parti color came about by breeding two traditional colored, parti gene carrying, dogs together. Champion dogs at that.

If we dyed our dogs so they were allowed in the ring, would that make everyone feel better.

The show dog breeders continued to breed the dogs that were producing the parti colored puppies. So if they are not yorkies, what are they.

The word "traditional" refers to the color, not the breed. The word "parti" refers to the color, not the breed. Shall we just say blue/tan and tri colored to distinquish the difference.

The YTCA set a standard for showing and judging. They did not establish the BREED they just set the standards for judging purposes. That is why some show breeders dye their dogs to make them comply with show standards, so they can show them.

As for the YTCA changing the standards, they have changed it in the past. I no doubt will happen again. NEVER say NEVER.e

And where ar WE lying about something on the registratilon papers?

Pinehaven 11-27-2009 06:46 AM

QUOTE=Elle
Bylaws are set in place to protect the breed. When I used the term traditional in my post it was only intended to address a question that you ignored. You seem to be more concerned with being combative. Let me add. There is no such thing as a traditional yorkie. There is no such thing as a parti colored yorkie. These are terms made up by unethical breeders.

It's amazing (and frankly, a shame) how using certain adjectives, classifies a person as being an unethical breeder. We know it's improper to use the "T" word, or teddy bear and baby doll, now we are not allowed to use traditional and parti to describe our dogs?

I've posted the color requirements from the akc on here. You want to be treated equal just b/c a small group of people think something is okay to do?

Are you a member of the YTCA? If so, you would know that it is a small group of people who set the standards ... I believe the YTCA has less than 600 members?

People that buy these puppies should know the truth. People should not support breeders that are lying about a registration! I mean, what kind of breeder lies about the color they are breeding then registers it? Here it is in black and white from the akc.

No breeder is lying about the color ... our dogs are registered and listed as the color that they are. My parti's are registered as being black and tan PARTI and my golden is registered as "TAN." Feel free to click on my weblink below to view scanned copies of my AKC pedigrees.

Again, YTCA wrote the standards and that is what AKC has posted on the site. AKC is a breed registry not a coat color registry, or conformation registry ... that's what the show ring is for, to judge a dog based on what is considered to be the IDEAL look, per the clubs written standards.


You will never be accepted in YTCA with a vagrants. Since when did YTCA allow a new standard because a member wanted one? You do not know what you are talking about. You aren't allowed membership so you bash the club? That should explain things about your intent about the breeds future. How much did you spend on research last year? You bad mouth the breed club yet you use it for marketing purposes by saying "some have a CH in their pedigree". I've read these posts, you say that MOST show homes are more concerned with finding the perfect show dog over health. They go hand in hand. Health is part of goal.[/QUOTE]

I think that you may be the one who doesn't know what they are talking about - please do a bit more research and get your facts straight.

If you check the YTCA's website, you will see that there have been changes in the standards. Example: "From 1877 to 1896 the classes provided for the breed were divided by weight. Classes were offered for Yorkshire Terriers over 5 lbs. or Yorkshire Terriers not exceeding 5 lbs."

JeanieK 11-27-2009 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2894695)
Bylaws are set in place to protect the breed. When I used the term traditional in my post it was only intended to address a question that you ignored. You seem to be more concerned with being combative. Let me add. There is no such thing as a traditional yorkie. There is no such thing as a parti colored yorkie. These are terms made up by unethical breeders.



Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.


You will never be accepted in YTCA with a vagrants. Since when did YTCA allow a new standard because a member wanted one? You do not know what you are talking about. You aren't allowed membership so you bash the club? That should explain things about your intent about the breeds future. How much did you spend on research last year? You bad mouth the breed club yet you use it for marketing purposes by saying "some have a CH in their pedigree". I've read these posts, you say that MOST show homes are more concerned with finding the perfect show dog over health. They go hand in hand. Health is part of goal.

Just a few more things.

It was the show breeders themselves that stated that they put conformation over health or temperament.

The word parti was not made up by unethical breeders. It is a term that the AKC uses to describe dogs with wide spotting patterns. It is an official term.

People who buy these parti colored yorkies, do know the truth. the truth is posted right on my website. Unlike the show breeders who dhe their dogs and get them championed. do they tell the buyers, that they cheated to get the champion? that the dog is really not the correct color. hmmmmmmmm I doubt it.

You have posted nothing that is new or informative. It is all speculation and misinformation on your part.

yorkiegirl2 11-27-2009 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2894695)
Bylaws are set in place to protect the breed. When I used the term traditional in my post it was only intended to address a question that you ignored. You seem to be more concerned with being combative. Let me add. There is no such thing as a traditional yorkie. There is no such thing as a parti colored yorkie. These are terms made up by unethical breeders.

I've posted the color requirements from the akc on here. You want to be treated equal just b/c a small group of people think something is okay to do?

People that buy these puppies should know the truth. People should not support breeders that are lying about a registration! I mean, what kind of breeder lies about the color they are breeding then registers it? Here it is in black and white from the akc.


Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.


You will never be accepted in YTCA with a vagrants. Since when did YTCA allow a new standard because a member wanted one? You do not know what you are talking about. You aren't allowed membership so you bash the club? That should explain things about your intent about the breeds future. How much did you spend on research last year? You bad mouth the breed club yet you use it for marketing purposes by saying "some have a CH in their pedigree". I've read these posts, you say that MOST show homes are more concerned with finding the perfect show dog over health. They go hand in hand. Health is part of goal.

You do realize that you threw about 95 % of all breeders including show breeders under the bus with this statement.
Since the YTCA changed the standard to DQ all black /tan and the light blues .
Do you think these breeders who have spend thousand of dollars along with their blood, sweat and tears who championed these dogs, are now just going to stop breeding them because the YTCA now considers them a color fault….NOT A CHANCE.

Even if these dogs were once recognized but the Parti were not, does not change the fact,.
These dogs are no longer correct in color…
So, tell me are you planning to jump on other posts and tell ethical breeders and show breeders they are now unethical because they are breeding a color faulted dog ????

bjh 11-27-2009 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2894755)
Just a few more things.

It was the show breeders themselves that stated that they put conformation over health or temperament.

The word parti was not made up by unethical breeders. It is a term that the AKC uses to describe dogs with wide spotting patterns. It is an official term.

People who buy these parti colored yorkies, do know the truth. the truth is posted right on my website. Unlike the show breeders who dhe their dogs and get them championed. do they tell the buyers, that they cheated to get the champion? that the dog is really not the correct color. hmmmmmmmm I doubt it.

You have posted nothing that is new or informative. It is all speculation and misinformation on your part.

:confused:Where do you get this from? All the show exhibitors that I know that have posted on here always state that health comes first.

JeanieK 11-27-2009 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 2894767)
you do realize that you threw about 95 % of all breeders including show breeders under the bus with this statement.
Since the ytca changed the standard to dq all black /tan and the light blues .
Do you think these breeders who have spend thousand of dollars along with their blood, sweat and tears who championed these dogs, are now just going to stop breeding them because the ytca now considers them a color fault….not a chance.

Even if these dogs were once recognized but the parti were not, does not change the fact,.
These dogs are no longer correct in color…
so, tell me are you planning to jump on other posts and tell ethical breeders and show breeders they are now unethical because they are breeding a color faulted dog ????

amen!!

Elle 11-27-2009 08:48 AM

Stop putting words in my mouth. Go read the dq again. It was changed to keep partis out.

I know many things. You cannot teach a pig to sing. Good luck.

JeanieK 11-27-2009 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2894783)
:confused:Where do you get this from? All the show exhibitors that I know that have posted on here always state that health comes first.

In this very thread.

Pinehaven 11-27-2009 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2894838)

I know many things. You cannot teach a pig to sing.

Another good one is, Ignorance is Bliss.

JeanieK 11-27-2009 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2894838)
Stop putting words in my mouth. Go read the dq again. It was changed to keep partis out.

I know many things. You cannot teach a pig to sing. Good luck.

We are well aware of what the DQ is. And we know why they changed it. They have DQ'd everything exept blue and tan.

But there are black and gold yorkies that are champions. Are those dogs now to be tossed out.

But the DQ is written as part of the standard for SHOWING, for the judges to have a guide to go by when they judge. It is a good standard, other than the color issue.

You may know many things, but there are many things that you DO NOT know.

What is that about pigs singing??? where does that fit in??

JeanieK 11-27-2009 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2894849)
In this very thread.

No it was not in this one. give me a minute and I will find it.

Pinehaven 11-27-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2894838)
I know many things. You cannot teach a pig to sing.

Never say never! :2pig:


JeanieK 11-27-2009 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2894849)
In this very thread.

No I was wrong, it is in this thread.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...uestion-3.html

AprilLove 11-27-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2894862)
Never say never! :2pig:

YouTube - The singing Pig




:yelrotflm :yelrotflm :yelrotflm

JeanieK 11-27-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2894862)
Never say never! :2pig:

YouTube - The singing Pig

LOL Just goes to show, people don't know as much as they think they do.


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