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yorkiegirl2 11-27-2009 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 2894838)
Stop putting words in my mouth. Go read the dq again. It was changed to keep partis out.

I know many things. You cannot teach a pig to sing. Good luck.

The Parti's were DQ'ed long before the standard changed.
All it did was to throw the black/tan and silver's in with the same class as the the Parti's which are now color faulted.

Which is sad because people love the balck/tan and the light blue.

Do you think it's right to breed the black/tans and light blues ???

yorkiegirl2 11-27-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2894862)
Never say never! :2pig:

YouTube - The singing Pig

:lol tears:lol tears:lol tears

bjh 11-27-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2894864)
No I was wrong, it is in this thread.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...uestion-3.html

Yes, I remember that thread where one person put structure over health but that should not be interpreted that she would breed a unhealthy dog. I think the majority of show breeders would always put health first when it comes down to breeding.

JeanieK 11-27-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2894876)
Yes, I remember that thread where one person put structure over health but that should not be interpreted that she would breed a unhealthy dog. I think the majority of show breeders would always put health first when it comes down to breeding.

Well how would that be interpreted. she said that she put structure first. Which means that health is not first.

For me I'll take and over bite over liver shunt any day.

the problem is that judges cannot see what is going on inside the dog. so therefore if a person is willing to dye the coat to win, they are also likely to hide health issues.

I do not think that most breeders, show or non show, would do this, but I am sure for some it is all about the winning. It is not about conformatioln, it is notabout coat, it is about winning.

Just as for some parti breeders it is all about the money. But to call us all disreputable breeders just because we breed for the parti color is like calling all show breeders disreputable just because a few of them dye their dogs.

It is unfortunate for both show breeders and hobby breeders that those people are out there.

bjh 11-27-2009 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2894893)
Well how would that be interpreted. she said that she put structure first. Which means that health is not first.

For me I'll take and over bite over liver shunt any day.

the problem is that judges cannot see what is going on inside the dog. so therefore if a person is willing to dye the coat to win, they are also likely to hide health issues.

I do not think that most breeders, show or non show, would do this, but I am sure for some it is all about the winning. It is not about conformatioln, it is notabout coat, it is about winning.

Just as for some parti breeders it is all about the money. But to call us all disreputable breeders just because we breed for the parti color is like calling all show breeders disreputable just because a few of them dye their dogs.

It is unfortunate for both show breeders and hobby breeders that those people are out there.

You are so right, there are good and bad breeders. Also, what one person calls a bad breeder or a byb, someone else will call them a loving, caring hobby breeder. It is all in the eyes of the beholder. I, myself, don't like to judge people or condemn breeders that don't think exactly as I do. The most important thing is the health and welfare of the dogs.

Dago 11-27-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 2894875)
:lol tears:lol tears:lol tears

How immature is this??

I'm amazed at the short sighted, immature people that post. Just from the way they talk, if I were a breeder I would never sell them a dog. I think it is very rude and arrogant to argue with everything said J.K.. A standard was set for the Yorkie long before you Parti breeders were born. Standards are what make a breed what it is, otherwise all the dogs would be called dogs and nothing would have any particular look. I bought my Yorkie and Chihuahua 10 and 11 yrs ago. I looked at the parti Yorkies and they look nothing and I mean nothing like the partis today. From all the pictures of the Biewers that I have seen, they have pretty much been consistent in their looks. I will agree with many of the posters that the Biewer is being mixed with the Partis. Not only are the parti breeders ruining the Yorkie, they are now ruining the Biewer. I don't think anyone is in a race for AKC. If they are registering all these new mix breeds and calling them Parti Yorkies, what's the great prize?

TammyJM 11-27-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dago (Post 2894929)
How immature is this??

I'm amazed at the short sighted, immature people that post. Just from the way they talk, if I were a breeder I would never sell them a dog. I think it is very rude and arrogant to argue with everything said J.K.. A standard was set for the Yorkie long before you Parti breeders were born. Standards are what make a breed what it is, otherwise all the dogs would be called dogs and nothing would have any particular look. I bought my Yorkie and Chihuahua 10 and 11 yrs ago. I looked at the parti Yorkies and they look nothing and I mean nothing like the partis today. From all the pictures of the Biewers that I have seen, they have pretty much been consistent in their looks. I will agree with many of the posters that the Biewer is being mixed with the Partis. Not only are the parti breeders ruining the Yorkie, they are now ruining the Biewer. I don't think anyone is in a race for AKC. If they are registering all these new mix breeds and calling them Parti Yorkies, what's the great prize?

Here's my random thought...I always find it so odd when a BRAND NEW member finds a specific thread and jumps right into their NEW membership with an argument and name calling. :rolleyes: You seem very comfortable with posting here, but yet you joined this month and only have two posts...both of which are in this particular thread.

Now, my turn...call me immature. :D

Tammy...owner of a BEAUTIFUL PUREBRED PARTI COLORED YORKIE....one that could be pregnant with more parti Yorkies. GASP!!

yorkiegirl2 11-27-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dago (Post 2894929)
How immature is this??

I'm amazed at the short sighted, immature people that post. Just from the way they talk, if I were a breeder I would never sell them a dog. I think it is very rude and arrogant to argue with everything said J.K.. A standard was set for the Yorkie long before you Parti breeders were born. Standards are what make a breed what it is, otherwise all the dogs would be called dogs and nothing would have any particular look. I bought my Yorkie and Chihuahua 10 and 11 yrs ago. I looked at the parti Yorkies and they look nothing and I mean nothing like the partis today. From all the pictures of the Biewers that I have seen, they have pretty much been consistent in their looks. I will agree with many of the posters that the Biewer is being mixed with the Partis. Not only are the parti breeders ruining the Yorkie, they are now ruining the Biewer. I don't think anyone is in a race for AKC. If they are registering all these new mix breeds and calling them Parti Yorkies, what's the great prize?

Excuse me for finding the singing pig video funny.
Better to laugh, then to be a short sighted sourpuss.

A Newbie with only 2 posts…you sure give a new meaning to jumping in with both feet....:rolleyes:

TammyJM 11-27-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 2894960)
Excuse me for finding the singing pig video funny.
Better to laugh, then to be a short sighted sourpuss.

A Newbie with only 2 posts…you sure give a new meaning to jumping in with both feet....:rolleyes:

"newbie" :rolleyes: ;)

yorkiegirl2 11-27-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2894935)
Here's my random thought...I always find it so odd when a BRAND NEW member finds a specific thread and jumps right into their NEW membership with an argument and name calling. :rolleyes: You seem very comfortable with posting here, but yet you joined this month and only have two posts...both of which are in this particular thread.

Now, my turn...call me immature. :D

Tammy...owner of a BEAUTIFUL PUREBRED PARTI COLORED YORKIE....one that could be pregnant with more parti Yorkies. GASP!!

:thumbup:...and Congrats on the (could be) upcoming babies. ;)

TammyJM 11-27-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 2894965)
:thumbup:...and Congrats on the (could be) upcoming babies. ;)

Thank you!! I can't wait until we know for sure. :)

Breezeaway 11-27-2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dago (Post 2894929)
How immature is this??

I'm amazed at the short sighted, immature people that post. Just from the way they talk, if I were a breeder I would never sell them a dog. I think it is very rude and arrogant to argue with everything said J.K.. A standard was set for the Yorkie long before you Parti breeders were born. Standards are what make a breed what it is, otherwise all the dogs would be called dogs and nothing would have any particular look. I bought my Yorkie and Chihuahua 10 and 11 yrs ago. I looked at the parti Yorkies and they look nothing and I mean nothing like the partis today. From all the pictures of the Biewers that I have seen, they have pretty much been consistent in their looks. I will agree with many of the posters that the Biewer is being mixed with the Partis. Not only are the parti breeders ruining the Yorkie, they are now ruining the Biewer. I don't think anyone is in a race for AKC. If they are registering all these new mix breeds and calling them Parti Yorkies, what's the great prize?

Ok Lets see the parti people are ruining the biewers isnt it the other way around since it does not benefit the parti people to breed to a biewer since they are not AKC registered. What is happening is the Biewer people are breeding to the partis because they can be registered biewer with one biewer parent. I love the biewers, but I dont breed my AKC registered Yorkshire terriers to them. So dont lump all breeders in the same catagory.
As for the the breeders ruining the biewers, you are doing that all on your own with no help from the partis. Too much inbreeding and linebreeding. You cannot survive at this time by just breeding biewer to biewer, there is just simply not enough dogs to sustain that in the long run. Give it a few years, you will see. The reason so many biewer people are breeding to partis is to find new blood and widen the gene pool because of all the health problems in the biewers already now. They are having so many health problems that its so hard to find a healthy one. You should work on your own breeding practices before you pick on some other groups breeding practices. I am not against the Biewers, I think they are beautiful but the Biewer people that are over all the different clubs need to get together and figure out whats right and whats wrong. Like I say on my website If the Biewer is a breed that is suppose to breed true as the tri-color why are there Goldust Biewers, White Biewers, and Biros? Why do the clubs fight amongst themselves and cannot agree on anything? Why was the name changed from what Mr. Biewer originally called them? These questions and more should be resolved before one can even start to build a foundation for club that is stable. You have to work on your own club and get it fixed because right now, So many people out there are so confused about the Biewer Terrier, Biewer A la Pom Pon, Biewer yorkshire terrier or what ever it may be called(How many names does the biewer have now?). Atleast we can all agree on a what a Parti yorkshire terrier is called.

sierrapups 11-27-2009 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2894995)
Ok Lets see the parti people are ruining the biewers isnt it the other way around since it does not benefit the parti people to breed to a biewer since they are not AKC registered. What is happening is the Biewer people are breeding to the partis because they can be registered biewer with one biewer parent. I love the biewers, but I dont breed my AKC registered Yorkshire terriers to them. So dont lump all breeders in the same catagory.
As for the the breeders ruining the biewers, you are doing that all on your own with no help from the partis. Too much inbreeding and linebreeding. You cannot survive at this time by just breeding biewer to biewer, there is just simply not enough dogs to sustain that in the long run. Give it a few years, you will see. The reason so many biewer people are breeding to partis is to find new blood and widen the gene pool because of all the health problems in the biewers already now. They are having so many health problems that its so hard to find a healthy one. You should work on your own breeding practices before you pick on some other groups breeding practices. I am not against the Biewers, I think they are beautiful but the Biewer people that are over all the different clubs need to get together and figure out whats right and whats wrong. Like I say on my website If the Biewer is a breed that is suppose to breed true as the tri-color why are there Goldust Biewers, White Biewers, and Biros? Why do the clubs fight amongst themselves and cannot agree on anything? Why was the name changed from what Mr. Biewer originally called them? These questions and more should be resolved before one can even start to build a foundation for club that is stable. You have to work on your own club and get it fixed because right now, So many people out there are so confused about the Biewer Terrier, Biewer A la Pom Pon, Biewer yorkshire terrier or what ever it may be called(How many names does the biewer have now?). Atleast we can all agree on a what a Parti yorkshire terrier is called.


I am astounded at how many inaccuracies their are in your post. Biewers need to have two Biewer parents that are DNA'd in order to be registered. If someone is breeding back to Partis then they are NOT members of the BTCA. This club is dedicated to preserving the Biewer Terrier Breed purity. As far as health issues, you need to clarify this as members of the BTCA have not experienced this.
What Parti yorkie breeders are doing is comprimising the Yorkie and the Biewer. There is a falsehood going around saying that the Partis and the Biewers share the same lineages. The Biewer looks the same as it did over 20years ago where the Partis have only started to look like Biewers recently. Please do your research.

peanut 11-27-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2894995)
Too much inbreeding and linebreeding. You cannot survive at this time by just breeding biewer to biewer, there is just simply not enough dogs to sustain that in the long run. Give it a few years, you will see. The reason so many biewer people are breeding to partis is to find new blood and widen the gene pool because of all the health problems in the biewers already now. They are having so many health problems that its so hard to find a healthy one. You should work on your own breeding practices before you pick on some other groups breeding practices. .

I haven't heard of any heath problems in the Biewers that I know, and I have one, she is heathy as a horse, she can't sing yet though;)

Breezeaway 11-27-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2895041)
I am astounded at how many inaccuracies their are in your post. Biewers need to have two Biewer parents that are DNA'd in order to be registered. If someone is breeding back to Partis then they are NOT members of the BTCA. This club is dedicated to preserving the Biewer Terrier Breed purity. As far as health issues, you need to clarify this as members of the BTCA have not experienced this.
What Parti yorkie breeders are doing is comprimising the Yorkie and the Biewer. There is a falsehood going around saying that the Partis and the Biewers share the same lineages. The Biewer looks the same as it did over 20years ago where the Partis have only started to look like Biewers recently. Please do your research.

Thank you very much I have done research. I did not say It was the BTCA. How many Biewer registries and clubs are there? It is being done.
It Most certainly is not a falsehood about the lineage of the biewer and parti. They both came from Streamglen Shaun, fact is fact. The Nikkos line of parti's traces back to that very dog just the same as Darling and fru fru trace back to him. How can that be a falsehood. It is documented.
The partis have not changed, they are still the same parti colored yorkshire terrier they have always been. Yes there are unscrupulous breeders out there for the money in every breed of dog.


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