Maybe you could contact AKC to verify that Wildweir never said they had a parti color in their litters ... I'll be happy to privately give you the names of 2 AKC representatives who were involved with the parti investigation. You could also ask the investigators if the other old time breeders that they interviewed, "Never" saw parti in their litters.

I'm not sure why anyone would believe that the origional, unregistered dogs who began this breed, all had the genetic make up consisting of only the genes that would produce the perfect steel blue and tan color? They didn't! The foundation dogs, may have had the look that was wanted for the yorkshire terrier breed but they had the genes of many previous generations of unknown colored parents, grand parents, great grand parents .... You can't just wish recessive colored genes away - you can hide it, you can give it away and as we've heard, you can destroy it but it is and it has been there since the beginning of the breed.

I'm not quite sure who or what this is referring to here but :happythx::turkey:

The Biewer Breed is not a variation of the Parti. Most of the, meaning you, Parti breeders just started breeding a couple of years ago, you don't have the knowledge nor the experience of the old time breeders to understand the difference.

No one has ever denied that Yorkies, PERIODICALLY had white on them. If you would have seen the Parti Yorkies 20 years ago, or just the ones 7 years ago you would know the difference between the Partis today. No one was really interested in them because they weren’t “pretty.” They were no more than a washed out, scraggly haired Yorkie. There were only a couple breeders then also. One, was known to have bred Maltese into her lines. Is it any surprise the older Yorkie breeders didn't want anything to do with them?

Now, after the Beautiful Biewer comes to America, every Yorkie being advertised by back yard breeders is a Parti carrier. The Partis now look more like a Biewer Terrier than they do a Yorkie.

My take on this is after you learn a little more about the piebald gene, I’ll be happy to discuss the topic of the Biewer Terrier further. Until then I'm tired of participating in a forum that repeats itself over and over and really does nothing to understand the genetics behind the Biewer.

Happy Thanksgiving to All.

Some of what Joan Gordon says is fact, that there are tri colored yorkies.

Some of what she says is opinion, that they should not be bred. that is an opinion, not a fact. Facts do not change, opinions can.

I am still not clear exactly what point you are getting at with all of your posts.

Fact: Parti colored yorkies are registered with the AKC as yorkshire terriers that are parti colored. they do not have a separate name, the "parti" refers to the color, not the name of a separate breed. What about the goldens, the blondes, the tans, the chocolates all variations in color all purebred yorkies, registered as yorkshire terriers.

Opinion: you saying that they are not pure yorkies. You are entitled to your opinion, your opinion does not change the facts. Not sure why you even care a what is going on with the parti colored yorkies.

You and the other Biewer owners that have set out to prove that they were not purbred, did so in the hopes that you could get around the YTCA.

In order to do that you are going to need breeding records of the first Biewers showing that 2 other breeds were used to make up the biewer. Lacking that, "you got nothin"

You made a HUGE mistake when you decided to go that route cause now there is no turning back.

Hopefully, in time the parti will gain enough popularity that the YTCA will reconsider the DQ for the parti color.

If your goal is to try to prove that there were other breeds mixed in to produce the parti color, you have a huge battle.

The AKC is not likely to readily admit that they made a mistake when they allowed them to be registered as yorkshire terriers. doing so would open a pandoras box, and I doubt that they would want to do that.

Move forward, it is futile to try to undo what has been done..

I assume that you have pictures of these parti colored yorkies of 20 years ago, and the evolution of them to the modern day parti colored yorkies?

Your speculation and opinions are meaningless. The AKC has already accepted the partis as yiorkshire terriers. And they are not likely to change that.

You are mighty arrogant to asume that you know more about it than the parti breeders that established the color and the AKC genetics experts that determined that they were purebred yorkies.

I am still unclear as to exactly what point you are trying to make with these posts.

You have still not answered this question.
What breeds were found in the Mars test ????

I have asked the question many times in other threads and the answer is, they do not know. And that is why they never answer the question.

AHHHH..Makes since.
That's all I ever hear is we done Mars testing.
But you can never get anyone to say what it showed.
I guess you couldn't answer if you don't know. ;)

In another thread it was said that it just did not match the yorkshire terrier profile 100%. Now to me that would make sense if the Biewers and partis carried the piebald gene that the traditional colored yorkies do not. But I really do not know what all the markers mean and what they show.

there are other questions that this person has not answered also, like exactly what they are trying to prove with these posts and why they even care.

They appear to be very angry over the fact that the partis are AKC registered and that the AKC told the Biewer people go away.

I have a question, how do you get a parti yorkie and how do your reg. them, if it only has 4 choices on color?

The color choice for the Parti is #014 you have to write it in and Photos have to sent as well with the registration papers.

I was just wondering how you all did it, cause that wasn't a choice on any of my AKC applications, I guess you have to be a parti breeder to know that one.

But still I am curious on how you get a parti from two traditional yorkies, how do you know. I know you would mostly have to reseach the lines,

I did. It's so important to preserve the breed. People say that they love the breed as they criticize other people just because they do not agree with them. I can't agree w/ anyone I see diluting the gene pool. You breed a parti. What happens when someone breeds a traditional w/ a parti? Then what do the puppies carry? Long term they are carrying a white gene that is inferior. They are not rare. Some are part yorkie. Some are full yorkie I'm sure of it. Some may be all yorkie on paper but the mills are pumping them out as fast as they want. They are indeed Tzus, malts and who knows what. They are NOT yorkies. Just b/c a paper says yorkie, it does not make them a yorkie.

Does the akc list white as a color of the breed? If so, where on the body? I do not know it to be listed as an acceptable color w/ akc or ytca. White is a fault. Just because some people think it's pretty does mean it's not a fault. It doesn't mean they aren't live beings of God. The color is a fault. It should not be bred to follow the standard guidelines written by the akc AND ytca. Just like it is in boxers. Does it mean that it's ugly to all? No. But an ethical breeder NEVER intentionally spreads poorly developed DNA. That DNA should be stopped.

These parti breeders thinks they are above the akc and the ytca; they do not wish to follow their rules; Why would anyone trust a breeder that doesn't honor this code of ethics set in place by this organization? Who wishes to be so out of the loop?

Poorly developed DNA? Will the madness ever stop? :confused:

I am not a member of the YTCA. So their rules mean squat to me at this point in time. I will not honor a club who will not honor my right to breed and show my parti yorkie.

As far as the AKC is concerned...they take my money, just like they take your money. They registered my parti just like they registered your traditional. I don't want to be "above" anyone. I just want to be equal!!

Bylaws are set in place to protect the breed. When I used the term traditional in my post it was only intended to address a question that you ignored. You seem to be more concerned with being combative. Let me add. There is no such thing as a traditional yorkie. There is no such thing as a parti colored yorkie. These are terms made up by unethical breeders.

I've posted the color requirements from the akc on here. You want to be treated equal just b/c a small group of people think something is okay to do?

People that buy these puppies should know the truth. People should not support breeders that are lying about a registration! I mean, what kind of breeder lies about the color they are breeding then registers it? Here it is in black and white from the akc.


Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.

You will never be accepted in YTCA with a vagrants. Since when did YTCA allow a new standard because a member wanted one? You do not know what you are talking about. You aren't allowed membership so you bash the club? That should explain things about your intent about the breeds future. How much did you spend on research last year? You bad mouth the breed club yet you use it for marketing purposes by saying "some have a CH in their pedigree". I've read these posts, you say that MOST show homes are more concerned with finding the perfect show dog over health. They go hand in hand. Health is part of goal.

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I did. It's so important to preserve the breed. People say that they love the breed as they criticize other people just because they do not agree with them. I can't agree w/ anyone I see diluting the gene pool.

Diluting the gene pool? Theses genes for off color are in some of our yorkies and always have been. It appears it's ok for a yorkie to carry 1 parti gene (traditional colored parti carrier) but not ok to for a yorkie to have 2 parti genes (parti color)?

You breed a parti. What happens when someone breeds a traditional w/ a parti? Then what do the puppies carry?

When you breed a traditional with a parti you will either get traditional puppies who all carry 1 copy of the parti gene OR if the traditional was an unknowing parti carrier, you would get 50% traditionals who carry the gene and 50% who would actually be parti colored.

Long term they are carrying a white gene that is inferior.

Inferior? Who told you this? How are they inferior? Healthwise, mentally ... or just in the show ring?

I sure hope no group of people one day decide that dark haired blue eyed people are inferior or I'll be in big doodoo.

They are not rare. Some are part yorkie. Some are full yorkie I'm sure of it. Some may be all yorkie on paper but the mills are pumping them out as fast as they want. They are indeed Tzus, malts and who knows what. They are NOT yorkies. Just b/c a paper says yorkie, it does not make them a yorkie.

Does the akc list white as a color of the breed? If so, where on the body? I do not know it to be listed as an acceptable color w/ akc or ytca. White is a fault. Just because some people think it's pretty does mean it's not a fault. It doesn't mean they aren't live beings of God. The color is a fault. It should not be bred to follow the standard guidelines written by the akc AND ytca. Just like it is in boxers. Does it mean that it's ugly to all? No. But an ethical breeder NEVER intentionally spreads poorly developed DNA. That DNA should be stopped.

OH BOY :eek: Humans made the standards, God made the genes ... the spotting gene is not a poorly developed DNA, it's in many breeds of dogs including a number of yorkies. Many yorkies are unknowingly carrying genes for off color (some carry more than 1 type of off color gene), but they must be bred to another yorkie who carries the same off color gene, in order to produce that color.

A small group of people (YTCA) made the standards, not AKC. AKC lists YTCA's coat color standards on a puppies paperwork but since AKC is a breed registry and not a coat color registry, they do have options for other non standard colors, if photographs are sent in with the paperwork.

These parti breeders thinks they are above the akc and the ytca; they do not wish to follow their rules; Why would anyone trust a breeder that doesn't honor this code of ethics set in place by this organization? Who wishes to be so out of the loop?

I follow AKC's rules for breeding and record keeping, and I'm not a member of the YTCA. I don't feel out of the loop by not honoring a code of ethics that I feel is outdated and has a closed mindset. I feel that if there are genes for off colors in our dogs, genes that do not cause any health or conformation issues, than those off colored pups have as much a right to their heritage as their parents who were standard in color but carried the genes for off color. If you are going to chastise off colored pups, then you need to cull the previous generations of Standard looking carriers who passed their off color gene, onto the off colored pup. Since the foundation dogs who began this breed carried many unknown genes for off color, you'd have a lot of culling to do!