Is this what you call "Backyard Breeding"??

[MaxwellHouse]

Originally Posted by vlccairo

I don't know that any of these will help, although I think the pups under the deck in a kid's pool is questionable.

Utah Cruelty to Animals Statute
UTAH CRUELTY TO ANIMALS STATUTES

Since she is having these pups to sell in a residential neighborhood, she may need a commercial license. See Title 8, Chapter 8.03. Also see Chapter 8.08. I saw somewhere in this a reference to adequate veterinary care.
Salt Lake County Oridinance
http://www.municode.com/Resources/ga...d=16602&sid=44

[capt_noonie]

So she does have skinkids. I wonder what corners she's cutting to raise them???

[mnewco]

Think of the pain that dog went through when the puppy was pulled out! How does she if she did damage to the dog's insides?

When you buy an animal it is a companion. Not a money making machine.

I breed Sphyx but responsibly. I sure don't cage them. Don't believe in it. I only have one male and one female and lucky to breed every 2 years because I want someone to want the kittens first.

I can tell you that there is no profit in breeding animals.

[erickajm]

I agree that this story is sad but I don't think it is because this girl is a horrible person. I think she is an uneducated person that doesn't know any better because there hasn't been someone there to guide her and teach her. Remember, there are still a few people out there that don't know about Yorkie Talk and the wise members and information that exist here.

I think the OP is a great friend that is looking for a way to help educate her friend... not steal her dogs or get her into trouble. No matter how you slice it, it comes down to pure ignorance.

There is nothing wrong with them giving the shots or docking the tails... many breeders do this and as long as it is being done sanitary and the correct way then so be it.

Maybe instead of concentrating on how horrible this gal is, maybe we can come up with clever ways to help the OP to educate her friend. It is a sickening situation, but one that won't end unless we ban together to spread the word and educate these people... right?

[JoshieBoy]

Originally Posted by erickajm

I agree that this story is sad but I don't think it is because this girl is a horrible person. I think she is an uneducated person that doesn't know any better because there hasn't been someone there to guide her and teach her. Remember, there are still a few people out there that don't know about Yorkie Talk and the wise members and information that exist here.

I think the OP is a great friend that is looking for a way to help educate her friend... not steal her dogs or get her into trouble. No matter how you slice it, it comes down to pure ignorance.

There is nothing wrong with them giving the shots or docking the tails... many breeders do this and as long as it is being done sanitary and the correct way then so be it.

Maybe instead of concentrating on how horrible this gal is, maybe we can come up with clever ways to help the OP to educate her friend. It is a sickening situation, but one that won't end unless we ban together to spread the word and educate these people... right?

I agree. I mention in my last post that the friend could offer her assistance to help raise the puppies and give her handouts about breeding puppies. I am hoping the Humane Society could give the breeder information about the danger of not providing proper medical care and tell the breeder how to take care of the puppies properly. I have seen on Animal Cops where investigators looked into these matters to make sure the animals were not neglected according to the state laws. I am only concern about the welfare of the animals. I do not want the dogs taken away from this woman or convict her of a crime. I automatically assume this breeder might not know how to breed her dog properly that was why I suggested the friend offer her assistance and give her literature about breeding puppies. I just want the breeder to change the way she breeds her dog and treats the puppies. I think many people on this thread feel the same way.

[jasminr]

Originally Posted by JoshieBoy

I agree. I mention in my last post that the friend could offer her assistance to help raise the puppies and give her handouts about breeding puppies. I am hoping the Humane Society could give the breeder information about the danger of not providing proper medical care and tell the breeder how to take care of the puppies properly. I have seen on Animal Cops where investigators looked into these matters to make sure the animals were not neglected according to the state laws. I am only concern about the welfare of the animals. I do not want the dogs taken away from this woman or convict her of a crime. I automatically assume this breeder might not know how to breed her dog properly that was why I suggested the friend offer her assistance and give her literature about breeding puppies. I just want the breeder to change the way she breeds her dog and treats the puppies. I think many people on this thread feel the same way.

I'm sick about this, she has a dog, she wants to breed her dog... Ok... And I'm sorry about this...... You are a selfish cold person,i do not have sympathy for you at all, to the op, you have a dog a yorkie , is like having a child but worst, they never gonna learn how to speak..ok I don't care if everyone is gonna hate me and maybe get myself banned but to the op, pls do something.....we have to respect life.....it's breaking my heart I live in nj but I will take the pups to find them a good home.........this is sad

[JoshieBoy]

Originally Posted by jasminr

I'm sick about this, she has a dog, she wants to breed her dog... Ok... And I'm sorry about this...... You are a selfish cold person,i do not have sympathy for you at all, to the op, you have a dog a yorkie , is like having a child but worst, they never gonna learn how to speak..ok I don't care if everyone is gonna hate me and maybe get myself banned but to the op, pls do something.....we have to respect life.....it's breaking my heart I live in nj but I will take the pups to find them a good home.........this is sad

I stated in the post you quoted that I have seen animal cops investigate these matters and determine if the animals were neglected by the state laws. If they determine the breeder neglected the animals, then they will do whatever they have to protect the animals according to the state laws. I am concern about the animals welfare. I want the best outcomes for these animals. This breeder's actions might seem cold (irresponsible breeder), but there is a possibility that she is ignorant about how to breed dogs properly. When I watch animal cops dealing with this matter, they explain to the breeder how to take care of the animals according to the state laws. If the breeder chooses not to follow the law, they take the animals away. I am hoping the breeder will decide to do what is best for these animal. Jasminir, as long as you follow Yorkie Talk rules, then you will not get ban. I am not going to hate you for having a different opinion than mines.

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by erickajm

I agree that this story is sad but I don't think it is because this girl is a horrible person. I think she is an uneducated person that doesn't know any better because there hasn't been someone there to guide her and teach her. Remember, there are still a few people out there that don't know about Yorkie Talk and the wise members and information that exist here.

I think the OP is a great friend that is looking for a way to help educate her friend... not steal her dogs or get her into trouble. No matter how you slice it, it comes down to pure ignorance.

There is nothing wrong with them giving the shots or docking the tails... many breeders do this and as long as it is being done sanitary and the correct way then so be it.

Maybe instead of concentrating on how horrible this gal is, maybe we can come up with clever ways to help the OP to educate her friend. It is a sickening situation, but one that won't end unless we ban together to spread the word and educate these people... right?

I agree.
The op came here in hope in finding help on what she needs to do. not everyone asking her how can she be friends with someone like this.
Lets all try and help her by helping her to educate her friend in hopes that it helps this poor mommy dog and her babies.

I to feel bad and almost sick at reading about the one stuck and them just pulling it out the next day.how painful that must of been for her. and about the momma dog and babies being left out side.

to the OP I hope you have called someone and reported her by now and I hope that mommy dog and pups get the help and care that they need. and thank you for making a post about it and trying to find help and advice on what to do.

[JoshieBoy]

YorkieShadow, I agree with your post too. I hope she contacted the Humane Society for the welfare of these animals. I know we all want what is best for these animals. I know we can all come together to help resolve this issue for the animals.

[charly]

Hi, Any updates on contacting any resourceful groups that can help with your friend.

[erickajm]

Originally Posted by YorkieShadow

I agree.
The op came here in hope in finding help on what she needs to do. not everyone asking her how can she be friends with someone like this.
Lets all try and help her by helping her to educate her friend in hopes that it helps this poor mommy dog and her babies.

I to feel bad and almost sick at reading about the one stuck and them just pulling it out the next day.how painful that must of been for her. and about the momma dog and babies being left out side.

to the OP I hope you have called someone and reported her by now and I hope that mommy dog and pups get the help and care that they need. and thank you for making a post about it and trying to find help and advice on what to do.

Yep.. it is easy for us to try to visualize her just grabbing the dead pup, but I'm sure she was "gentle" about it.. the OP has known this girl for 8 years and says she is a good friend. I know several people like this. The ones that are always trying to make a buck and doing the latest get rich quick schemes. There are plenty of dangers to having puppies outside, however, it is summer time so its not like they are going to freeze to death. Animals have been giving birth and having pups outside for 1000's of years. We look at our Yorkies not being able to imagine leaving them outdoors so it is hard to fathom someone else doing it. Being outside is not neglect. As long as they have the proper shading (under porch), food and water. The humane society is going to probably say the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with it, it breaks my heart and I can't imagine doing this to my own girl and her babies but it does happen and will continue to happen until we stop concentrating on the person's character and deal with the issue at hand. Which is education.

[JoshieBoy]

Originally Posted by charly

Hi, Any updates on contacting any resourceful groups that can help with your friend.

Has anybody heard any updates concerning the dogs? I have been thinking about the puppies all week. I am hoping that the breeder and the puppies are doing fine.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by UtahBelle

So I have a friend in the neighborhood who bought a female yorkie. She wanted to breed it to make back the money she spent to buy her. So she does not want to spend ANY money on a stud service so she agrees to give stud owner pick of the litter instead. Her dog gets pregnant and has only two pups. Friend is upset because she wants a big litter obviously for the money. Her dog has one male and one female and of coarse the stud service takes the female. She then hears that the more they get pregnant the bigger the litters get. She can't wait for the next heat cycle! She has dollar signs in her eyes.
Next pregnancy she paid the stud service. She is so excited because she thinks her dog looks much bigger so there must be a lot of pups in there! I told her to go get the dog x-rayed so they know how many there are and they will know when she is done birthing. She cannot bring herself to spend ANY money! She never does the x-rays. Dog starts to give birth and out come three dogs. What she doesn't know is that her dog continues to be in a hard labor all night long with a last pup that is coming out breech! She just thought the dog was done and they went to bed. In the morning she sees her dog with a little leg sticking out. Again, she will not spend ANY money on the dog and she is afraid if she takes the dog in, it will need a c-section and she will not pay for it. So they pull the baby out. It has long died and my friend is upset because it was a female pup which could have sold for more!
I just feel like her dog is just a money making machine. It breaks my heart. When I had my dog spayed she thought I was nuts! She said it is the easiest way to make money and I am so dumb to not do it. I wish this kind of thing was illigal. The snarky side of me kind of wishes she has a hard time selling them so she might learn her lesson. I know that is horrible to wish, but it has been bugging me

I don't know much about the breeding business, but I think what she is doing is called backyard breeding? What do you all think?

I think your friend is an IDIOT not a BYB.

[jackson25]

Self explanatory! Disgusting!

[Gingergirlsmom]

Originally Posted by erickajm

I agree that this story is sad but I don't think it is because this girl is a horrible person. I think she is an uneducated person that doesn't know any better because there hasn't been someone there to guide her and teach her. Remember, there are still a few people out there that don't know about Yorkie Talk and the wise members and information that exist here.

I think the OP is a great friend that is looking for a way to help educate her friend... not steal her dogs or get her into trouble. No matter how you slice it, it comes down to pure ignorance.

There is nothing wrong with them giving the shots or docking the tails... many breeders do this and as long as it is being done sanitary and the correct way then so be it.

Maybe instead of concentrating on how horrible this gal is, maybe we can come up with clever ways to help the OP to educate her friend. It is a sickening situation, but one that won't end unless we ban together to spread the word and educate these people... right?

Originally Posted by erickajm

Yep.. it is easy for us to try to visualize her just grabbing the dead pup, but I'm sure she was "gentle" about it.. the OP has known this girl for 8 years and says she is a good friend. I know several people like this. The ones that are always trying to make a buck and doing the latest get rich quick schemes. There are plenty of dangers to having puppies outside, however, it is summer time so its not like they are going to freeze to death. Animals have been giving birth and having pups outside for 1000's of years. We look at our Yorkies not being able to imagine leaving them outdoors so it is hard to fathom someone else doing it. Being outside is not neglect. As long as they have the proper shading (under porch), food and water. The humane society is going to probably say the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with it, it breaks my heart and I can't imagine doing this to my own girl and her babies but it does happen and will continue to happen until we stop concentrating on the person's character and deal with the issue at hand. Which is education.

Two excellent posts!