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UtahBelle · 08-02-2009, 06:56 AM

Yes they are outside! The female birthed them in her doghouse and then she moved them all to a kiddie pool so the mom could get in and out but the babies can't. They are under her deck and have been there since they were born. They were born on July 25th. Mom is nursing them and I am sure she will buy some puppy food when they are ready to eat, but she does not want them having accidents on her carpet so they will stay outside. I am going to call the humane society in the morning. What are they going to do? Do you think they will take away her female dog? I am just thinking of her kids

I really just want someone to talk to her and educate her because she really does not think anything of what she is doing.

charly · 08-02-2009, 06:59 AM

How long have you known her. Are you two really good friends.

Jemma · 08-02-2009, 07:30 AM

Being they are kept outside all night, I'll pay someone to take them all during the night. lol Really not funny though
Not good for them in a plastic pool. No footing, all slip and slide, sheesh!

JoshieBoy · 08-02-2009, 07:48 AM

This story makes me sad. I hope the Humane Society can help teach your friend how to raise the puppies. I am hoping for the best outcome for the puppies and the family.

tortoisekeeper · 08-02-2009, 07:49 AM

I agree with everyone. I would sneak in at night and take them. Doesn't she realize that anything could get them (snake, raccoons,bad weather etc). How could anyone be so cruel to such sweet dogs. I doubt that the humane society would do anything. If you care at all just get them out of her hands.

JoshieBoy · 08-02-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshieBoy

This story makes me sad. I hope the Humane Society can help teach your friend how to raise the puppies. I am hoping for the best outcome for the puppies and the family.

I am hoping that the Humane Society could at least tell your friend the danger of not giving the puppies proper medical care and information on how to raise the puppies. I think I saw this done on those animal cops shows on Animal Planet. Sometimes hearing the information from somebody in the field can help change somebody's mind on a particular topic. I would give her some handouts about raising puppies and offer my assistance.

twahlstrand · 08-02-2009, 08:20 AM

This is just making me sick thinking how that lady is treating her baby and the those poor little babies that is just not right.

Gennies · 08-02-2009, 08:37 AM

OMG!!! I just can't believe how awful your friend is. She's teaching her children to not care about other living things by the way she's being so unsympathic to this poor little baby and her babies.

How can they just cut the babies tails off?! Isn't that a medical procedure that is required by law to be done by a vet? Maybe the human society will be angry over that, but I doubt that they will do a darn thing about the way she's treating this dog.

The SPCA in my area sees a dog as property: if it has food, water and a place to get out of the elements, then they don't do a darn thing. So sickening!

I feel so sorry for these little babies!!!! I know you think she just doesn't understand, but how can she see how much love you give to your dog and not know that what she is doing is wrong?

How do you wake up and see feet sticking out of your baby's privates and not rush them to the vet?! She had to be in so much pain and misery all night. How do you just pull it out, with out fear of causing great damage to your baby? What if it was too large and OMG I just can't write anymore.

I'd have to tell her off and write her out of my life if I was you. I'm so sorry that you know this person.

Micah my love · 08-02-2009, 09:27 AM

So sad i believe anyone that can do this to a precious little girl is either mental or completely heartless

ving · 08-02-2009, 09:56 AM

The humane society probably will only be able to talk to them and try to educate them.It is not the fault of the humane society, it is the fault of the states that make the laws that govern the treatment of animals.If you live in a state where there is alot of hunting and farming the cruelty laws are even more lax.If the humane society tries to take an animal that they feel is neglected they can be held liable in the court of law.Most humane societies can not afford to be sued.Most cruelty laws state an animal has to have adequate food water and shelter.In my opinion a swimming pool under a deck is very inadequate.A hard rain the pool fills up and the pups drown. So sad.

jasminr · 08-02-2009, 10:00 AM

When, omg, when people going to understand that this world is full of bad actions with people with excuses, "she did not know her dog was still in labor" pls...., If you take care proper care of your dog you know what's happening to her, pls don't make excuses for her, to me there's non, she's just an stupid AND cruel person, I really hope somebody is going to take that poor dog away from her

UtahBelle · 08-02-2009, 10:39 AM

I am soooo sad about this. I guess I am making up excuses for her because I really think she is just mis-informed and really not a monster. She would never let it rain in the kiddie pool and have it fill up with water. She cares at least that much. I know they love their dog, just not the way we love our dogs ya know?
I never realized it was so bad or I would have mentioned this the first timed she bred her dog. Her husband learned how to dock the tails right, he does not just cut them off. I still think it is wrong for him to do it though! She said it would be $25 per pup to do it and they could do it for free.
We have been friends for 8 years and I really like her. She is the cheapest person I know though. Soooooo cheap! She is a great friend I just think she is out to make money by breeding and selling puppies. She is doing it as cheap as she can and it is WRONG! It is wrong to cut corners when it comes to her dog but she does not think she is! I don't know a darn thing about the right ways....I need to find someone who does. The human society will get a call tomorrow and hopefully they will let me know what I can do because I know they cannot be counted on to do anything. I will not go take her dogs away from her, but I promise to do something about it.
Sorry I have upset some of you. It has opened my eyes a lot! I will for sure go visit the pups and just mention how her dog needs to be done breeding, how close she came to dying, and how these pups need 24/7 care not just by the momma, but her too.
I will update you guys tomorrow and let you know how it goes. I live in Utah if that helps with figuring out the laws here.
Please let me know if I should do or say anything else.
Thanks again

vlccairo · 08-02-2009, 11:33 AM

I don't know that any of these will help, although I think the pups under the deck in a kid's pool is questionable.

Utah Cruelty to Animals Statute
UTAH CRUELTY TO ANIMALS STATUTES

Since she is having these pups to sell in a residential neighborhood, she may need a commercial license. See Title 8, Chapter 8.03. Also see Chapter 8.08. I saw somewhere in this a reference to adequate veterinary care.
Salt Lake County Oridinance
http://www.municode.com/Resources/ga...d=16602&sid=44

Jemma · 08-02-2009, 11:34 AM

Hi
Can I ask when her husband docked the tails? Hang in there, it must be sad to have a friend do the things she does

rosey442 · 08-02-2009, 12:26 PM

Wow! I could never have a friend like that and just sit back and listen and watch how the poor mother dog is and has been treated as well as the puppies too. Leaving the poor mother in labor like that and just pulling out the breech pup really took the cake. I have never ever heard of such a thing. This whole thing is just mind-blowing. To say that she doesn't love her dog in the same manner as we do, doesn't even come close to being an understatement.

I myself could never have stood by without having said something or having done something.

I don't know about your state, but here in PA, especially in Lancaster County ( I think because of all of the negative publicity of the puppy mills and public outrage and demands to stop said mills, they're more overly sensitive to this particular problem.) , the Humane League will come out and investigate and if they find any sort of neglect/abuse, especially abuse, they will take the animals and fine the owner.

I really hope for the sake of that poor mother and her pups that she will be removed so that she can be spayed and then her and her babies receive the proper medical care along with new loving homes.

Good luck and I really wish that everything will work out for the best for everyone.

08-02-2009, 06:59 AM	#47
charly Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: So Ca Posts: 2,376	How long have you known her. Are you two really good friends. __________________

08-02-2009, 07:30 AM	#48
Jemma Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 838	Being they are kept outside all night, I'll pay someone to take them all during the night. lol Really not funny though Not good for them in a plastic pool. No footing, all slip and slide, sheesh! __________________ Carol And Jemma Be Kinder Than Necessary, For Everyone You Meet Is Fighting Some Kind Of Battle

08-02-2009, 08:20 AM	#52
twahlstrand Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 112	This is just making me sick thinking how that lady is treating her baby and the those poor little babies that is just not right. __________________ Live, Love and Laugh Often Tammy, Oscar and Keysha

08-02-2009, 08:37 AM	#53
Gennies Donating YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,865	OMG!!! I just can't believe how awful your friend is. She's teaching her children to not care about other living things by the way she's being so unsympathic to this poor little baby and her babies. How can they just cut the babies tails off?! Isn't that a medical procedure that is required by law to be done by a vet? Maybe the human society will be angry over that, but I doubt that they will do a darn thing about the way she's treating this dog. The SPCA in my area sees a dog as property: if it has food, water and a place to get out of the elements, then they don't do a darn thing. So sickening! I feel so sorry for these little babies!!!! I know you think she just doesn't understand, but how can she see how much love you give to your dog and not know that what she is doing is wrong? How do you wake up and see feet sticking out of your baby's privates and not rush them to the vet?! She had to be in so much pain and misery all night. How do you just pull it out, with out fear of causing great damage to your baby? What if it was too large and OMG I just can't write anymore. I'd have to tell her off and write her out of my life if I was you. I'm so sorry that you know this person. __________________ Gennie, mommy to my two loves: Bambi & Bijou Last edited by Gennies; 08-02-2009 at 08:39 AM.

08-02-2009, 09:27 AM	#54
Micah my love Donating YT 100K Club Member & Top YorkieTalk Poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: western KY Posts: 108,935	So sad i believe anyone that can do this to a precious little girl is either mental or completely heartless __________________ Betty & Micah my love + Yogi

08-02-2009, 06:56 AM	#46
UtahBelle Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Riverton Utah USA Posts: 16	Yes they are outside! The female birthed them in her doghouse and then she moved them all to a kiddie pool so the mom could get in and out but the babies can't. They are under her deck and have been there since they were born. They were born on July 25th. Mom is nursing them and I am sure she will buy some puppy food when they are ready to eat, but she does not want them having accidents on her carpet so they will stay outside. I am going to call the humane society in the morning. What are they going to do? Do you think they will take away her female dog? I am just thinking of her kids I really just want someone to talk to her and educate her because she really does not think anything of what she is doing.

08-02-2009, 07:48 AM	#49
JoshieBoy No Longer a Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 2,114	This story makes me sad. I hope the Humane Society can help teach your friend how to raise the puppies. I am hoping for the best outcome for the puppies and the family.

08-02-2009, 07:49 AM	#50
tortoisekeeper Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Metairie Louisisna Posts: 1,088	I agree with everyone. I would sneak in at night and take them. Doesn't she realize that anything could get them (snake, raccoons,bad weather etc). How could anyone be so cruel to such sweet dogs. I doubt that the humane society would do anything. If you care at all just get them out of her hands.

08-02-2009, 09:56 AM	#55
ving YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: sumtersc Posts: 6	The humane society probably will only be able to talk to them and try to educate them.It is not the fault of the humane society, it is the fault of the states that make the laws that govern the treatment of animals.If you live in a state where there is alot of hunting and farming the cruelty laws are even more lax.If the humane society tries to take an animal that they feel is neglected they can be held liable in the court of law.Most humane societies can not afford to be sued.Most cruelty laws state an animal has to have adequate food water and shelter.In my opinion a swimming pool under a deck is very inadequate.A hard rain the pool fills up and the pups drown. So sad.

08-02-2009, 10:00 AM	#56
jasminr not ending love Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: nj Posts: 833 Blog Entries: 2	When????? When, omg, when people going to understand that this world is full of bad actions with people with excuses, "she did not know her dog was still in labor" pls...., If you take care proper care of your dog you know what's happening to her, pls don't make excuses for her, to me there's non, she's just an stupid AND cruel person, I really hope somebody is going to take that poor dog away from her __________________ Jasminperritochikito dog? Im having a love attack

08-02-2009, 10:39 AM	#57
UtahBelle Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Riverton Utah USA Posts: 16	I am soooo sad about this. I guess I am making up excuses for her because I really think she is just mis-informed and really not a monster. She would never let it rain in the kiddie pool and have it fill up with water. She cares at least that much. I know they love their dog, just not the way we love our dogs ya know? I never realized it was so bad or I would have mentioned this the first timed she bred her dog. Her husband learned how to dock the tails right, he does not just cut them off. I still think it is wrong for him to do it though! She said it would be $25 per pup to do it and they could do it for free. We have been friends for 8 years and I really like her. She is the cheapest person I know though. Soooooo cheap! She is a great friend I just think she is out to make money by breeding and selling puppies. She is doing it as cheap as she can and it is WRONG! It is wrong to cut corners when it comes to her dog but she does not think she is! I don't know a darn thing about the right ways....I need to find someone who does. The human society will get a call tomorrow and hopefully they will let me know what I can do because I know they cannot be counted on to do anything. I will not go take her dogs away from her, but I promise to do something about it. Sorry I have upset some of you. It has opened my eyes a lot! I will for sure go visit the pups and just mention how her dog needs to be done breeding, how close she came to dying, and how these pups need 24/7 care not just by the momma, but her too. I will update you guys tomorrow and let you know how it goes. I live in Utah if that helps with figuring out the laws here. Please let me know if I should do or say anything else. Thanks again

08-02-2009, 11:33 AM	#58
vlccairo Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cairo, Egypt Posts: 192	Applicable laws I don't know that any of these will help, although I think the pups under the deck in a kid's pool is questionable. Utah Cruelty to Animals Statute UTAH CRUELTY TO ANIMALS STATUTES Since she is having these pups to sell in a residential neighborhood, she may need a commercial license. See Title 8, Chapter 8.03. Also see Chapter 8.08. I saw somewhere in this a reference to adequate veterinary care. Salt Lake County Oridinance http://www.municode.com/Resources/ga...d=16602&sid=44

08-02-2009, 11:34 AM	#59
Jemma Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 838	Hi Can I ask when her husband docked the tails? Hang in there, it must be sad to have a friend do the things she does __________________ Carol And Jemma Be Kinder Than Necessary, For Everyone You Meet Is Fighting Some Kind Of Battle

08-02-2009, 12:26 PM	#60
rosey442 Donating YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Providence, PA USA Posts: 302	Wow! I could never have a friend like that and just sit back and listen and watch how the poor mother dog is and has been treated as well as the puppies too. Leaving the poor mother in labor like that and just pulling out the breech pup really took the cake. I have never ever heard of such a thing. This whole thing is just mind-blowing. To say that she doesn't love her dog in the same manner as we do, doesn't even come close to being an understatement. I myself could never have stood by without having said something or having done something. I don't know about your state, but here in PA, especially in Lancaster County ( I think because of all of the negative publicity of the puppy mills and public outrage and demands to stop said mills, they're more overly sensitive to this particular problem.) , the Humane League will come out and investigate and if they find any sort of neglect/abuse, especially abuse, they will take the animals and fine the owner. I really hope for the sake of that poor mother and her pups that she will be removed so that she can be spayed and then her and her babies receive the proper medical care along with new loving homes. Good luck and I really wish that everything will work out for the best for everyone. __________________ Carolyn Molly